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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/7/2010 1:21:23 AM   
azjojoba


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azjojoba, frankly, I don't think you should try to get involved with them, even if they are inexpensive to participate in. Even when they have training sessions, there is no guarantee that you will be allowed to serve. You come across as having a very poor attitude toward service, which would be likely to set a bad mood/vibe if you did so, and I believe that priority is often given to men who are already in service to one of the attending ladies, or who have at least one who will vouch for him, rather than by random lot. You'd probably still feel taken advantage of inancially, and the ladies would most likely be unhappy with you, and you wouldn't be welcome back again.


You might be right -- but until I try it I wouldn't know. Your attitude seems very defeatist

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/7/2010 8:30:40 AM   
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azjojoba, frankly, I don't think you should try to get involved with them, even if they are inexpensive to participate in. Even when they have training sessions, there is no guarantee that you will be allowed to serve. You come across as having a very poor attitude toward service, which would be likely to set a bad mood/vibe if you did so, and I believe that priority is often given to men who are already in service to one of the attending ladies, or who have at least one who will vouch for him, rather than by random lot. You'd probably still feel taken advantage of inancially, and the ladies would most likely be unhappy with you, and you wouldn't be welcome back again.


I was waiting for someone to point out his past instances of poor attitude toward ProDommes and women in general. Not to mention that the women at these parties are likely to ask him if he's married and if his wife knows. If he says his wife knows, they're going to ask for confirmation of it. Not to beat the dead horse, but one would hope he's come to the understanding by now that women looking for personal situations don't want the married guy and women willing to take on the married guy are going to charge.

The events I know of are invite only and everybody needs references or extensive interviews. The primary reason behind that is to minimize drama. No organizer wants one cheating man's wife to show up at any event and start making noise. It's bad for atmosphere and future party potential.

In essence, I hate to break it to ya, azjojoba, but if you were looking to get away with womanizing, masquerading as an s-type isn't gonna be the way to do it.

So for all the married and not married, dishonest, cheating men out there who are looking for one of these parties, you're not gonna find a whole lot going for you if anything at all. If you think I'm full of shit about it...check your track record against the guys who are openly honest with their partners. I'd be more than willing to place the bet that those guys know about and get invited to these parties far more often than you do.

Just pointing out the obvious.

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/7/2010 9:02:29 AM   
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You might be right -- but until I try it I wouldn't know. Your attitude seems very defeatist


I have to say that I agree with the others.  The ones that I've attended have always been private and by invitation only.  Generally, the personal submissive of any Domme in attendance is on the first round of invites for servers.  (Kind of like you don't invite the wife to a dinner party without inviting the husband.)  The second round tends to be s types who have served at other types of events and the hosts have known them for some time. 

Basically, plan on regular munch attendance for several months and serve at group sponsored events before even thinking of getting invited to the private ones.  Don't be surprised one bit if people want to check your references.


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/7/2010 10:19:18 AM   
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As a former event hostess, I agree with the other ladies. I would not have anyone serve at an event unless I had references/recommendations, or had previously SEEN them serve at an event. SERVE. Not prance around being cute, not leering at the hot broads in fancy clothings, but SERVE, with no expectation of return other than the knowledge of a job properly done.

If there are those INTERESTED in service positions, I selectively allow a few to be HELPERS to the first-tier servants, and learn from them. After all, everyone has to start somewhere! Stilll, I wouldn't just bring in some guy that I had met once without vetting him first.

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 2:11:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I was waiting for someone to point out his past instances of poor attitude toward ProDommes and women in general. Not to mention that the women at these parties are likely to ask him if he's married and if his wife knows. If he says his wife knows, they're going to ask for confirmation of it. Not to beat the dead horse, but one would hope he's come to the understanding by now that women looking for personal situations don't want the married guy and women willing to take on the married guy are going to charge.

The events I know of are invite only and everybody needs references or extensive interviews. The primary reason behind that is to minimize drama. No organizer wants one cheating man's wife to show up at any event and start making noise. It's bad for atmosphere and future party potential.

In essence, I hate to break it to ya, azjojoba, but if you were looking to get away with womanizing, masquerading as an s-type isn't gonna be the way to do it.

So for all the married and not married, dishonest, cheating men out there who are looking for one of these parties, you're not gonna find a whole lot going for you if anything at all. If you think I'm full of shit about it...check your track record against the guys who are openly honest with their partners. I'd be more than willing to place the bet that those guys know about and get invited to these parties far more often than you do.

Just pointing out the obvious.

boi



I'm hoping I can find a party that doesn't check marital status or other private personal details. It seems very wrong to me that these clubs would demand such a thing.

By the way, I don't have a poor attitude about service or pro dommes. You are giving me a bum rap.

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 2:32:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: azjojoba

I'm hoping I can find a party that doesn't check marital status or other private personal details. It seems very wrong to me that these clubs would demand such a thing.

By the way, I don't have a poor attitude about service or pro dommes. You are giving me a bum rap.


So you are hoping to find an event which will allow you to lie to its members by omission while serving them, and yet you don't have a poor attitude.

Right.


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 3:16:02 PM   
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Marital status is not all that personal.  It's not like they want your social security number.  Lifestyle dommes have every right to know if the men they are dealing with are single.  

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 3:23:55 PM   
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Exactly!  What happened to that song and dance about how you don't inform your wife of your activities, but you are oh, so honest with those that you engage with in those activities?  How quickly the tune changes.  Sounds more like 'honesty is only necessary when it doesn't prevent getting what I want'. 

Believe it or not, it's situations like yours that actually encouraged people to check references in the first place.


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 4:33:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: azjojoba

I'm hoping I can find a party that doesn't check marital status or other private personal details. It seems very wrong to me that these clubs would demand such a thing.

By the way, I don't have a poor attitude about service or pro dommes. You are giving me a bum rap.



Dude, you're digging the hole deeper and deeper, and you don't seem to realize it.  One more comment, and the hole that you're digging yourself into is likely to reach Hades.  Quit while you're behind. 


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 8:13:19 PM   
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Thank you MsVC, LadyPact, and slaveKal. You all beat me to the punch.

Rochsub2009, he's not gonna get it. He doesn't see how his relationship with his wife could turn bad or against the other woman. He thinks parts of his life can be completely compartmentalized and to achieve that, he's lying to people in his life. The attitude is always the same, the approach boils down to the same thing and the end result is always the same.

  • It's always her fault they aren't happy.
  • Because it's her fault, they can lie about what they're doing..."I'm not trying to hurt her" it just happens that somehow doing something they know will hurt their partner if their partner finds out is somehow justified if they simply don't think about their partner during the cheating process.
  • Partner finds out, cheater blames the partner and gets kicked out on their ass (from the relationship) and the cheater goes about the process of looking for the next sucker who doesn't have a clue about the cheater's past.
The cheater will then avoid every possibility of their new partner ever meeting or knowing how to contact their former partners because that means the cat gets out of the bag.

And Azjojoba isn't the only guy who thinks he can anonymously show up to one of these parties, browse around the fetish buffet, and go back to their wives with their wives "never finding out". He's just one of many who like to think that because they don't hold themselves to personal standards around their interactions and kink, that others won't hold themselves to standards. Or that because women will often "share or trade" their servants out through out the evening, that these women have weak standards without realizing that each of the male servants being traded or swapped out already meet the requirements of being decent human beings.

And now I'm ranting on about an entirely different issue and I need to work. Late night for the boi!


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 8:37:37 PM   
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Marital status is not all that personal.  It's not like they want your social security number.  Lifestyle dommes have every right to know if the men they are dealing with are single.  


Are you stupid??? Verifying marital status is totally personal. Just what kind of information do you think it would take to verify something like that? A phone number? An address where somebody can go to spy on the house? Social security numbers don't give you a clue unless you are plugged into an IRS database or insurance or some other computerized database. A telephone number reveals more than you think.

So, I think verifying marital status is OK if everyone at the party is comfortable with revealing their real names, phone numbers, and addresses. Whoever runs the party can then go to each place of residence and if nobody is home they can ask neighbors -- or maybe they can pay for a complete background check. Would that be cool to you nincompoops?

Of course I would avoid those parties because it would prove that everyone attending has the IQ of a chimpanzee. I wouldn't go to one if my wife wanted to go, or approved.

I'm sure not a single one of you has considered that just because a couple shows up it doesn't prove that they aren't both cheating on spouses. Go to craigslist and see how many of both sexes are looking for anonymous partners to attend kink parties.

The people posting here are just being hypocritical. I can tell you from experience that local bdsm groups allow everyone to use an alias name and there are no background checks. If invasions of privacy like this were allowed then nobody in their right mind would attend these parties. I'm wondering if there is anybody sane at CM.



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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 8:38:58 PM   
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So you are hoping to find an event which will allow you to lie to its members by omission while serving them, and yet you don't have a poor attitude.

Right.



Nope -- I wouldn't attend such a thing even if the question was asked and they believed my lie. If you had a brain you wouldn't either.

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 8:43:55 PM   
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Dude, you're digging the hole deeper and deeper, and you don't seem to realize it.  One more comment, and the hole that you're digging yourself into is likely to reach Hades.  Quit while you're behind. 



It's not possible to dig a hole all the way to Hades, but just for the sake of argument exactly what would happen if I did, and why do I care?



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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 8:45:15 PM   
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Nope -- I wouldn't attend such a thing even if the question was asked and they believed my lie. If you had a brain you wouldn't either.



So you're agreeing with Andalusite.  She said about a page ago in this thread that you shouldn't even consider attending one of these parties. 

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 8:46:28 PM   
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It's not possible to dig a hole all the way to Hades....



You're right.  If you dig a hole deep enough, i think you actually emerge in China. 

< Message edited by Rochsub2009 -- 4/8/2010 8:47:13 PM >


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 9:42:34 PM   
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I'm wondering if there is anybody sane at CM.



No, we're all lunatics. Unfortunately for you, that doesn't preclude us having high standards.

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/8/2010 11:07:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: azjojoba

I'm wondering if there is anybody sane at CM.



No, we're all lunatics. Unfortunately for you, that doesn't preclude us having high standards.


Not a problem because I'm not into prudes and/or snoots.

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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/9/2010 12:08:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekal

Marital status is not all that personal.  It's not like they want your social security number.  Lifestyle dommes have every right to know if the men they are dealing with are single.  


Are you stupid??? Verifying marital status is totally personal. Just what kind of information do you think it would take to verify something like that? A phone number? An address where somebody can go to spy on the house? Social security numbers don't give you a clue unless you are plugged into an IRS database or insurance or some other computerized database. A telephone number reveals more than you think.

So, I think verifying marital status is OK if everyone at the party is comfortable with revealing their real names, phone numbers, and addresses. Whoever runs the party can then go to each place of residence and if nobody is home they can ask neighbors -- or maybe they can pay for a complete background check. Would that be cool to you nincompoops?

Of course I would avoid those parties because it would prove that everyone attending has the IQ of a chimpanzee. I wouldn't go to one if my wife wanted to go, or approved.

I'm sure not a single one of you has considered that just because a couple shows up it doesn't prove that they aren't both cheating on spouses. Go to craigslist and see how many of both sexes are looking for anonymous partners to attend kink parties.

The people posting here are just being hypocritical. I can tell you from experience that local bdsm groups allow everyone to use an alias name and there are no background checks. If invasions of privacy like this were allowed then nobody in their right mind would attend these parties. I'm wondering if there is anybody sane at CM.




Just one perspective.

I don't believe I'm being hypocritical.  The last Mistress party that I went to that would fall into this category was hosted by a couple that I had known for four years.  I was a guest in their home for many occasions, including Christmas parties, their famous luau, as well as other events.  All three members of our poly family were always welcome there.  When My husband was deployed in Korea and clip was sent to Afghanistan, they always gave us the wonderful support that I couldn't thank them enough for.

I had no problem with them knowing My real name, My address, or My phone number.  I knew theirs, so why should I expect to know more information about them than they did about Me?  In fact, when I was on the board for that particular group, all of My emails to all board members (current and previous) went out with My real name on them.

See, when you show up to events with both your husband and your sub keeping you company, there really isn't a lot of question about whether you're cheating or not.  No, My husband didn't specifically attend the Mistress parties, but the three of us attended many events together, so there wasn't a question of whether or not My husband was aware. 

Throw accusations out all you want.  Some of us really can do this without being underhanded.


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/9/2010 12:11:39 AM   
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Nope -- I wouldn't attend such a thing even if the question was asked and they believed my lie. If you had a brain you wouldn't either.



You know what I'm imagining right now? I'm imagining going to one of these parties, and there being a man (or woman) like you there, having lied to his wife and having lied by omission to me about his marital status. I'm imagining interacting with him. And then I'm imagining his wife showing up, and the look on her face.

I don't want to ever be responsible for putting that look on a person's face, and by going to a party without disclosing your marital status you would be making every woman who gave you any attention that afternoon complicit in your cheating on your wife.

That? Is a crappy attitude to service.

Also, don't presume to tell me what I would and wouldn't do, regardless of whether or not I 'have a brain'. If people like you don't go because they won't let you in, or you don't go because you are so offended by the question, then the effect is the same-you aren't there.


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RE: Femdom Mistress Parties - 4/9/2010 4:38:48 AM   
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Ya know this is all funny because every national event asks for your name and address. Then again, the local dungeon, LAC, asks for a driver's license number to do a check against the registered sex offenders list...an increasing trend. My legal name, Jen Laws, and my phone number, which the mods will yank from here, shows up on all of my business cards as well.

No, I have no problem at all with people having my information. I keep myself and Ma'am protected and have no fear of being "exposed".

boi


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