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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 6:38:02 PM   
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If you want your clit gone that's your business.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 7:00:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: femasoslave

Ok, i have been called stupid, needing professional help, sick, crazy and strange. I would really appreciate it if people would kindly keep their comments about my sanity to themselves, i think it isn't nice, everyone is entitled to their opinion but none of you know me (and please don't say you don't want to get to know me, that's also not nice), none of you have ANY idea of the person i am, the person i used to be and what i will be like in the future. I'm not being commanded to do anything, nor have i said that it IS going to be done.

You're right, none of us know you or your reason/s for asking this question...
quote:


have you "hypothetically" had your clitoris removed for Master?
...and maybe that's why you're getting the reaction from some people that you are.  "Hypothetically" having a clitoridectomy isn't something I've given much thought to mainly because I enjoy the pleasure I get from that little bundle of nerves and removing it would remove that pleasure (along with the possibility of causing all sorts of complications).  I'm also not a slave and would never expect such extreme body modification from any partner of mine.  Maybe it would help if you gave some reasons why this topic has you curious to hear other people's opinions/views/experiences.



Women get breast implants and breast reductions purely for cosmetic reasons, facelifts, botox etc. Women are getting their genitalia trimmed and modified, it's the lastest thing, purely for cosmetic reasons and because they want it.

If i had of started this thread just asking about getting vaginal lips trimmed or cut off, it would'nt of caused anywhere near the amount of hoo hah.

I don't know about that.  It's still a fairly extreme form of modification for most people.  I think it has more to do with the "why"...why would you want to do such a procedure?

If i had of been a quadriplegic or paraplegic who had no or very little sensation in my body, would that make a difference to opinions to whether or not i wanted my clitoris removed for cosmetic reasons? It is in the eye of the beholder what makes something attractive or not.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but that doesn't mean the majority of folks are open to your image of beauty.  That's just one of the burdens of choosing to be (or think) different from the mainstream.  All the more reason to maybe take the time to explain why this interests you.  I'd be curious to know psychologically why this appeals to you.

Once again, i'm asking nicely here, please don't insult me or my Master.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 8:07:25 PM   
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Are we talking about pharonic circumcision?
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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 9:17:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: femasoslave

Ok, i have been called stupid, needing professional help, sick, crazy and strange. I would really appreciate it if people would kindly keep their comments about my sanity to themselves, i think it isn't nice, everyone is entitled to their opinion but none of you know me (and please don't say you don't want to get to know me, that's also not nice), none of you have ANY idea of the person i am, the person i used to be and what i will be like in the future. I'm not being commanded to do anything, nor have i said that it IS going to be done.

Women get breast implants and breast reductions purely for cosmetic reasons, facelifts, botox etc. Women are getting their genitalia trimmed and modified, it's the lastest thing, purely for cosmetic reasons and because they want it. If i had of started this thread just asking about getting vaginal lips trimmed or cut off, it would'nt of caused anywhere near the amount of hoo hah.

If i had of been a quadriplegic or paraplegic who had no or very little sensation in my body, would that make a difference to opinions to whether or not i wanted my clitoris removed for cosmetic reasons? It is in the eye of the beholder what makes something attractive or not.

Once again, i'm asking nicely here, please don't insult me or my Master.

Thankyou



The fact that you have had such a strong response to your post should tell you that something is very wrong. We are all a pretty liberal group of people here but you have broached a subject even we find to be repugnant. I am not trying to offend you or your Master but your ponderings had to come from someplace and it is generally felt here that place is not a good one. So, if you are disturbed by our responses just remember you came here with this idea and we have been honest with you about how we feel. And no, if you were a quadriplegic and decided to have your clit removed I would still feel the same. If anything, I would feel more strongly as the removal would have made less sense than your original ponderings. Having your clit removed would not alter your medical condition. Also, no you would not have gotten this response if you had wanted to have your labia trimed. That would not negativly alter function. I believe your upset because no one thinks your idea is in any way good or right or even healthy. We don't mean to insult and I'm sorry you take it that way. We just strongly disagree and feel you have lost sight of reason.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 9:19:33 PM   
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i feel my clit has been removed while on this thread....all brain thought has increased by 140%....it hurts....i'm doing calculus...

i'm an artist doing calculus which means death is imminent...if only i had let the clit live it's life to the fullest....good by cruel cm world!

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 9:24:49 PM   
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I really have no issues with this practice at all. But I prefer butt-fucking.  >:))

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/29/2010 11:30:29 PM   
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If only none of us had ever heard of such a practice, but instead it becomes equated with unconscionable acts of mutilation performed on children, obviously without consent. I think that comparison is inappropriate here, though to set it aside would not change ultimately the attitudes of the majority who've posted their opposition. There are those who are blatantly offended by people like us using the term "slavery" when they've come from other countries in which true slavery still exists - making our exaltation of it entirely offensive. A similar thing is occurring here, it seems. The OP isn't condoning these practices when exacted against the will of an infant or 15 year old.

I'm not so curious as to the reason this appeals to you, femasoslave. I can glean that from your original post. What I don't know and find curious is why your Master is interested in it. I disagree with most of what has been posted, though to be honest, I'm not the sanest lil slut in the assylum. My previous owner used to talk of removing one of my little toes... sometimes referred to as punishment or payment for "all the aggravation" I'd been causing him, while often it was spoken of as simply his right to do so. I was property, existing for his pleasure. Now, only if one agrees with that premise, is it comprehensible on any level. If it is his right, she is his property, again if one accepts the premise, some might still judge him harshly for being so inclined. Why harm your property? many Doms/Dommes have questioned in reply to other expressions of ownership... branding, piercing, excessive "play" or beatings that result in marking the sub/slave, even tatooing... can all fall into this category.

Removal of the clitoris certainly seems more drastic than these examples and I would agree that there is a great deal of risk involved with the potential for infection. These are essentially internal organs accessible from the outside, many of us forget. As an objective voice, I would say that together, you and your Master could probably come up with some other approach to expressing his right and ownership and to your submission and knowledge of your place and value, seeking something extreme to meet that need, of course, but that doesn't carry so much risk of ultimately being a disappointment to your Master should you become unusable for example as a result of something gone awry. I'd bet you would even have fun together finding other ways to demonstrate the same principles you were perhaps endeavoring with this idea.

I often mentioned my own concern to my previous Master who valued me highly for my appearance that I would surely limp without a little toe. But would I have submitted to it? I would have to have been quite secure in his ownership - which in our case, I was not. Had I been, though, the possibility exists that I would've submitted - as in consented, after much research into the risks and long-term effects as well as into my own soul. If I consented, it would have been because it pleased me to please him and the absence of my toe would be a reminder of my place. I still get it. I might never be that sort of slave again but, believe me, I get it. I appreciate it. If your Master desires this as an expression of ownership, I don't necessarily think it proves him an unworthy Master, as has been espoused. But if when informed of all the potential risks involved, full knowledge and communication of which being unquestionably your responsibility, he doesn't show genuine concern... that'd be a red flag, the kind we like to ignore. My guess and my hope is that you have a better man standing over you than that and he may want to reconsider, finding another means of fulfilling the same desire.

You sounded excited in your post, so I doubt you're mistreated. It is hard for people to separate the horrific and brutal acts we've all heard about and that none of us would ever condone, from the drastic measure, though it is, that you speak of hypothetically consenting to (even if we try not to think of it that way as a slave without choices - every day, unless restrained by force, we consent.) I would pursue more academic research than what the message boards have to offer but it is good, I think, to be aware that this is a concept most people in this country, at least, and even here among would-be social misfits electing to partake in not so "normal" kinds of relationships and activities, find absolutely abhorrent. No doubt your Master would miss you if you suffered brain damage and could no longer reason or communicate on any intelligent level; he likely values your mind. So be sure to keep using it.

Best wishes on your journey...
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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 12:00:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: femasoslave

i have a "hypothetical" question to other slaves, have you "hypothetically" had your clitoris removed for Master? (note: i'm not asking if you would do it, that isnt an option in a true slaves mind, a slave wants what her Master wants)

Of course it is illegal (well, it is over here anyway), i know that, but what one does with their own body is their own concern, i'm just curious to the mental after affects of clitoris removal.

I'm also interested in others who have their genitalia trimmed, inner lips removed, modified etc.
my Master has pierced my clit and i now have a 6g bar through it (originally pierced with a 10g but with 'play' the hole has stretched), my master loves clit torture, as do i....grin...nothing quite like a pain orgasm......


I've always loved when people pose "hypothetical" questions. Like no one is going to think that the idea is actually being tossed around by the poster and their partner.

As you say it is illegal where you live (Australia) then you would not likely find a licensed physician to perform such a procedure. Given that fact, the procedure would not be being done in the most sanitary, healthy way with the proper instruments and necessary aftercare. Which in a sense makes it not much different than those poor girls in the second and third world countries having it performed by the "elder" women of the community. Potential end result? Death, infection, gangrene, any other number of really horrible things.

You say that you are engaged to be married. You are both in your 40s, so one has to wonder how long have you so far been together? How many relationships have each of you had in the past that you thought would be forever and didn't turn out that way? Certainly something to think about.

While I don't play into the whole "a true slave" scenarios, they always seem to beg the question of whether being a "true" slave means you leave common sense and self preservation at the door.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 12:08:14 AM   
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Echoing what LafayetteLady said.

So in 5 years time it 'hypothetically' all falls apart and you go your separate ways. He has lost nothing - you're left sans clit and avec scarring.

So yeah, if there is even an iota of an indication that master wants to turn the hypothetical into reality, then of course I question his sanity and/or morals.

Sorry if you don't like this answer, but when you post for opinion on a public messageboard, you take the risk that you won't like what you get.



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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 1:57:49 AM   
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I find myself agreeing with a lot of what alhamdullilah says in her post. We have responded in shock horror at the ops post. She has recieved the same kind of response from the majority of us, as we would recieve if we posted our slave or Master needs on a vanilla dating site!

I certainly don't think the op or her Dom are bonkers. The very fact that she posted a question here shows she is doing her research and trying to collect information.
When people want to have a penis removed or added, there is a huge amount of help through transgenders organizations. Groups where those seeking ops can go and talk to people that have been through it. Female full circumcision in the western world is frowned upon and unless your living in a re-repatriated Muslim village, your not going to have others you can discuss this with.
As far as women wanting to have lip reduction, I see no harm in that. Some women feel untidy and consequently unattractive. Small lips and plump outer labia is the new in. You only have to watch the more recent porn films to notice that every woman has a camels toe!
We live in an age where if your not happy with what you have got, you can change it (so long as you have enough funds) and personally I believe thats freedom of choice and a good thing.

What would worry me regarding the op is this. Is she doing it or thinking about doing it because its sexually exciting? is it part of a fantasy that makes her feel absolutely in his control? If the answer is yes to either of those questions then I can only suggest that you wait a few years and see how you feel then. Fantasies change but if your still wanting to go ahead after all that time and consideration, then I think you should.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 2:28:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RealSub58


Clitoral manipulation/removal is done in predominantly matriarchal societies in 2nd and third world countries for specific reasons.
I lived among a tribal group that practiced this for what they felt were hygienic reasons..... no amount of education convinces some cultural ritual that castrating the clitoris in no way has anything to do with menses.
Patriarchal societies do so because they believe a woman is for procreation only and sex is for a man's amusement.

If someone has already said this, I am sorry.  I just came in now.

In the US, if a man's fetish is to "castrate" a woman ....i agree with the others, may he as well be castrated painfully and with a rusty fork.



I also lived in a Muslim land for many years. What was considered the higher classes did not put their daughters through the ritual of circumcision but the poorer classes still practiced this ritual.
A lot of females choose to be circumcised because of pier pressure and a belief that they need this to become a woman and more often than not it is pressure from the older female generations and not the men.
Action groups against female circumcision have proved through the surveys that Muslim men prefer an intact woman for a bride than a modified one.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 5:14:17 AM   
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I'm not sure how much help this will be but a while back (last half of last year I think...) a lady was posting in her journal on the other side about having something similar done. She had to go to Egypt and if I recall correctly she had her clit removed and labia sewn up.
So somebody out there has had it done, but I don't think it was for her master.

As for me? I'd be hypothetically fighting tooth and nail to avoid having something like that done to me, so no.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 12:51:00 PM   
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Apparently people cannot read.
Anyone posting about anything other that has nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST will be going ignoring moderators requests and should expect the usual considerations.

IF you have a subject that you want to discuss then start your own thread on it in the correct forum.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 4:42:46 PM   
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I would like to thank Alhamdullilah for her message. There have been many closed, small minded people who have responded to my thread, i thought that people who are into bdsm accept others for whatever they want or do, i have always tried to be non-judgemental but it seems as though just like a pack of dogs they enjoy ganging up on who they percieve as the weaker.
Well, you have all had your fun, "worrying" about the what if's....what if my Master and i break up..well guess what, break ups happen!!!! if i no longer have a clitoris and if that makes a difference to a future Master to whether or not he wants me, well guess what, too bad, he has to accept my body for however it is "deformed", if He can't do that then he isnt the Master for me. 
I could tell you all my story but you would all still pick it pieces, i don't want amateur physchology, gee i do that enough to myself as it is, i just want to be accepted for how i am, to not be judged. i'm a good, nice person, for some of you to say that people like me shouldnt be in the gene pool, that hurts. What makes YOU one to judge others!
I entended to just ignore and not let myself get upset at the many, many nasty comments and put downs but its hard, i knew this thread would cause some controversy but gee, i didnt realise it would be to this extent, so should i just be good and stick to the "normal" subjects, stuff ya, i am what i am and if you don't like it....too bad.
Just cos my master and i are interested in this doesnt mean we condone it for everyone, we are different than the rest of you, so what??

Ya know something i saw a story a few years ago on the ABC about some women who fall in love with objects, one women was in live with the Eiffel Tower, another with a bridge in Germany, she used to make love with it, are they nuts? no, they are different. there is another story where a man desperately wanted his foot cut off, he wasnt happy until the day he actually got it done, he had to do it himself, he ended up as happy as a pig in shit............my point is this people, just because we don't do it doesnt mean we should be judge others for what they want.
Unfortunately, the people who judge others, they think themselves superior, they feel superior when they judge and put down others when all they are is just small minded.

i have appreciated the intelligent replies in this thread, i know you wouldnt have it done yourselves and i never thought that you
would but thankyou for not judging and just being curious to why my Master and i are interested. If anyone REALLY is interested in getting to know me at all, i don't mind if you message me.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/30/2010 5:12:36 PM   
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Points well made, OP. But after skipping around this thread it seems pretty clear to me that part of the reason you're not getting a positive reception here, is that we're very curious about your motivations in this matter, and you apparently haven't detailed them for us. You started the thread, so it would be lovely if you'd shepard it along by helping us gain a good understanding of your motivations. Thank you, in advance.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/31/2010 1:58:26 AM   
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quote:

I would like to thank Alhamdullilah for her message. There have been many closed, small minded people who have responded to my thread, i thought that people who are into bdsm accept others for whatever they want or do, i have always tried to be non-judgemental but it seems as though just like a pack of dogs they enjoy ganging up on who they percieve as the weaker.


People judge all the time. Sometimes, our very lives depend on that judgement of others. Just because your a kinkster doesnt mean you get a free pass. There are many things i dont get, i dont accept, and that i do judge.

Many have said... its your body, do what you want.... but you asked for OUR opinion. im sorry you didnt get the one you were wanting.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/31/2010 6:46:04 PM   
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Ok, ive taken the plunge and written my story, word of warning its very long winded, i'm not that good at writing, but it does explain me, i havnt posted it here as it seems the wring place to do it, i have put it in the forum of where we introduce ourselves, titled "my story, i hope its not boring".

I think it will show i'm sane at least!!!

thanks all and please don't judge me, just accept me for how i am, like my Master does 

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/31/2010 6:47:35 PM   
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by the way tazzygirl, you are incorrect, i did NOT ask anyone for their opinion!

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/31/2010 8:19:14 PM   
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This is a public board.  You won't always get the responses you were looking for.

Especially involving extreme body mods.

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RE: Clitoris Removal - 3/31/2010 10:08:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

This is a public board.  You won't always get the responses you were looking for.

Especially involving extreme body mods.



Of course, you are right and i understand that, i was just correcting tazzygirl in that i didnt actually 'ask' for anyones opinion, i knew that i would get opinions and i have appreciated the more common sense opinions that people have responded with and i HAVE taken note of what many have said.
It is a part of what makes us human to have our opinions but it can also never hurt for others to try and understand someone elses perspective into things, to be close minded is one of our biggest mistakes, they once thought the world was flat and witches got burnt at the stake. 

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