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Hi Angel,
You females and your conundrums, Romeo, Romeo where for art thou Romeo.
Let's take your query from a different angle and see if that is able to help you examine your feelings along with any other female’s feelings that might fit into our Gorean paradigm.
If a woman, free or slave identifies with the Gorean Philosophy, finds it interesting or is just curious about it; why do you, at least initially, think that is?
Do you think it's the idea of Home Stones? A premise that, by the way, has very little to do with the tending of home fires.
Do you think it's about the Caste Systems? Which has absolutely nothing to do with Hollywood Movie making or mending broken bones.
Or could it be that they find the idea of Codes and Honor irresistible? While this might indirectly be a cause and effect for their interest, it is more about how these tenants affect what I perceive to be their real interest and that takes us to the crux of the matter.
Ok so here it is, women are, at least initially, drawn to the Gorean Philosophy because of, (drum role please)………………………………………… men. At least the brand of man that is representative of and portrayed within the Gorean Philosophy. Ohhhhh, I know that our sovereign female contingent attempting to distinguish themselves on their own merit, as free and uncompromising individuals aren’t going to be all that crazy about my opinion here, but all the same, it is what it is, above all else Gorean women love strong, determined, unyielding and uncompromising men.
The Gorean Philosophy is about a Patriarchal Society in which humanity is expected to live true too and respect the tenants of their own nature. No perversions in order to appease a political correctness or a tainted sense of fair play. And that being said there is no one implying that the existence of the independent woman has no place within the make up of what is Gorean, but to love that which is Gorean, one must acknowledge that Gor not only would be, but is a man’s world. And no, that doesn’t imply that Gorean types are misogynists. What thoughtful and learned man would ever dismiss the intellectual capacity, personal or physical strength, not mention the numerous categories of beauty contained within a single parcel designed to be the yin to their yang? Remember nature is all about balance and man is only half of his own equation.
Just this past week ishy and I were discussing how seldom in the books Norman writes scenes where a man interacts with a “revered” free woman. So in that how would we really understand what the Gorean Philosophical context of what the free woman actually is? Well the thing is that Norman does have times where he demonstrates these concepts, it’s just not all that exciting and no spoiled rich cunt is being subjected to the collar in such cases. So I’m guessing those not chasing the philosophical tenants end up looking past the examples given and search for the “more” interesting drama.
In the book, Mercenaries, we come upon a fantastic illustration where Tarl encounters a free woman in what he took to be an abandon hut, left in the wake of the Cosian Army’s advance toward Ar. In this encounter both the free woman and Tarl were respectful of one another, his example of word and deed towards her within her home showed just what exactly a Gorean Man, and in fact a Gorean Gentleman’s response and behavior would be in the presence of the revered Gorean Free Woman. While discussing this ishy was quick to note that this woman didn’t assume herself lofty and in fact respected Tarl’s position as a man. She was well aware of her place in nature’s scheme and was therefore not assuming and didn’t offend a man that if he had a mind to could have reduced her to captive, or even worse, in but a moment. There was much consideration, by Tarl, given to her personal dignity and state of sovereign honor within what was her home. He didn’t assume her just some wench, and respected her wishes as he would have a man’s. Now there are other examples in the books that can be discussed, woman being killed because they proclaimed themselves proudly as such, the urt women along Port Kar’s canals and so on, but I don’t want to make this too long winded, hell, we already have you, Angel, posting as it is your thread.
This free woman thing tends to get all confused when someone steps up, normally a female struggling with herself for identity and tries to imply various degrees of self-importance within the context of a title. But in the end a free woman is still simply a woman, and while not all women seem to be that crazy about men and their penis’; a Gorean woman will in various degrees of zest find “men” more than just someone that can piss standing up.
So to examine your question about mastery; it seems logical enough to me that virtually all men exampled to us in the Gorean Stories are capable of and seek mastery over women, it’s their nature calling out to them. This isn’t just some caveman or ogre-ly type thing either; it’s actually rather sophisticated, calculated and beautiful in its context and application. This is the process where the love slave/companion is actually conceived. All this being said it seems well within reason to me that we can assume that, at least the majority of women drawn to or “living in accordance with the Gorean Philosophies seek to identify with men capable of uncompromising mastery of not just slaves, but rather women.
Now achieving said mastery is a much more complicated issue and a story for another day.
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Live well,
Bull
I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...
"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."
Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.
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