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Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/19/2006 11:07:21 PM

Vendaval

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Greetings A/all,

I have a question about adapting slave positions in the case of an injury, whether
old or new. My boy broke his knee in a motorcycle accident so the kneeling positions
are instead adapted into a cross-legged position. Have the Masters/FW modified or adapted positions for their slaves under similar circumstances?

Regards,

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 1:38:38 AM

SirDarkside357

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Yes, I have many times. An injury shouldn't either stop a slave from having positions or cause needless pain.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 2:12:43 AM

doves

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Unfortunately both an old knee injury and a re-occuring back injury prevent me from certain positions.. i do the best i can and adapt positions according to the amount of pain i feel at that time.

i personally don't get any pain relief in my knee by having a cushion underneath my knees.
Where my back pain is concerned, Master and i adapt O/our positioning [in certain things].

Its amazing what imagination can do when the need arises. ~smiles~

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 3:21:01 AM

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Just a matter of talking it out and working together to find what works.. For long periods I'm happy to have a girl sit on a cushion at my feet.. I'm here for life, I dont want temporary solutions....

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 8:09:30 AM

LoupdeMontagne

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We have allowed slaves to adopt positions that do not put strains on injuries as long as the slave does not take a position reserved for the free. Ie, sitting cross-legged.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 9:25:37 AM

Lordandmaster

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No, slaves who cannot assume an arbitrarily chosen position because of injury are to be released immediately.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 2:22:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

No, slaves who cannot assume an arbitrarily chosen position because of injury are to be released immediately.

roflmao

One time the Owner had me assume a backbend position and hold it for ten minutes , my face was bright red and the blood was pounding in my ears when I was released from it!

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 2:35:05 PM

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slave positions are ment to show subjudication. alterations to them can be done simply enough to accomidate any injury or body differance of a slave. I have a slave in a wheelchair that there is no doubt to My self or any others that he subjudicates to Me at all times and will do the slave positions that I have commanded he do from his chair without the use of his legs or back.
I beleive I now Own three disabled slaves Lord and Master released that are excelent slaves........JMO........~wink~

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 2:52:45 PM

rayvnn

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she would think making the slave do someting that would injure him/her even more would be abuse. i.e kneeling while a knee is injured and agravating it even more.

sorry
*hushes*

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 3:30:30 PM

MistressDREAD

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when a slave gives up all rights as a human to another
what ever the Owner deems the slave to do is concidered * the norm * and not concidered abuse.

Think of it in these terms.
a slave who has concensually given up all rights to their life to another becomes a posession. now think of this posession as a chair. you sit in the chair and use it regularly and even lean back on its two legs instead of its four legs against the wall untill it breaks the chair. have you abused that chair and should you do anything to it to repair it or make it better or have you used it to the extent of its use and it is now time to throw the chair away and get a new posession ? This is the mindset of LordAndMaster when He stated what He did the way He did and this IS the Gorean mindset as its written in the books. This is why it is important to understand Gor in its full context regardless if Free or slave because how each Gorean beleives and how each Gorean acts and reacts with in their Gorean mindset differs in their context of living in real life. as a slave and as a Free Gorean the whole mindset of the way of the industrialized world of today gets thrown right out the window in order to better understand just how a life is lived in real time in the Gorean way. This is why the Lifestyle living of Goreans is concidered to be way more extream then the lifestyle of BDSM or D/s because of the extream way of thinking that goes alter to vanilla societies norms as well as the concepts of S.S.C. AND R.A.C.K. of BDSM and D/s. Make no bones about it, Gorean ways are M/s at its strictest end to the right and intolerant to the desires of most to the extream left. Gor is NOT for everybody, nor even for most Anybody but only for a select few who desire the extreams of the Lifestyle. JMO

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/20/2006 7:00:13 PM

Lordandmaster

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Dread, I was joking.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

a slave who has concensually given up all rights to their life to another becomes a posession. now think of this posession as a chair. you sit in the chair and use it regularly and even lean back on its two legs instead of its four legs against the wall untill it breaks the chair. have you abused that chair and should you do anything to it to repair it or make it better or have you used it to the extent of its use and it is now time to throw the chair away and get a new posession ? This is the mindset of LordAndMaster when He stated what He did the way He did and this IS the Gorean mindset as its written in the books.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/22/2006 7:16:35 PM

Phoenixandnika

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Greetings A/all,

I have a question about adapting slave positions in the case of an injury, whether
old or new. My boy broke his knee in a motorcycle accident so the kneeling positions
are instead adapted into a cross-legged position. Have the Masters/FW modified or adapted positions for their slaves under similar circumstances?

Regards,

-Vendaval-

With age and live often times we need to adapt.
I beleive this is true even within the gorean lifestyle.
Sometimes things happen that cause us to change and adapt. Now how we change is our choice. In reality you could simply release them because they could not do what they could say a month ago, or you could be a carrying and understanding owner and adapt the position where it did not harm your property.

I know a slave who is in her 50s she can not do any of the positions anymore, she simply can not get up and down from the floor on her own. Her Owner has simply allowed her to sit on the couch next to him.

In the end I think we have to do what is healthy for all involved. I do not know to many who want to perminantly damage their property even beyond the possible legal ramifications.

Good luck and I hope he heals quickly.

Nika

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 4/22/2006 8:30:15 PM

GingerleeDREAD

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Yes LaM however You said it and many Dominants have that point of view seriously. Hence My words.
Dident You like My humor as well ? I guess You dident see it.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/12/2006 4:05:27 PM

medievalwench

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i am sub learning about Gor, my Master is training me in slave positions but some of them i just can't do properly - such as crossing my hands behind my back fully because my arms seem not to bend enough, i can do most of the positions, though when i do those which require me to lie down fully i feel like my collar is choking me, but i do what my Master tells me as long as it doesn't seem like i'm about to pass out <lol>

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/12/2006 4:57:04 PM

nephandi

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i would think the exact slave positions themself is less inportant than the meaning and ritual of doing them, if a person is unable to do a particular position, i would think a new one whit he or she can do will have just as mutch meaning if that meaning is given to it.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/12/2006 5:40:01 PM

justinasamerk

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Wench,
sometimes it is a necessity to adjust slave positions. Not every girl is as nimble and flexible as others, and injuries can be a common reality we all face...
when i kneel for long periods of times i lose sensation in my legs, calf and feet to the point where it takes me about 5 mins to get the circulation back in, i go completely numb..so what do we do..training and practice.
When a Master lectures a girl she is kneeled at his feet. He does alow her to shift as needed and he carefully watches her breathing patterns, her face, and her discomfort, until she begs to please be allowed to adjust, the answer..'NO" and he continues with what he has to say..and after a few more moments, or a few more thoughts, when breathing becomes slightly heavier, he grants her the right to adjust. How greatful a girl is as she adjusts for him, feeling the blood come back to her legs...
What is it..training, because each time she stays just a little bit longer then she used to.

As far as some great positions that are helpful.
-Rather then crossing arms at back, a very humble position is crossing them at your heart with head lowered. You can feel your breast press against your wrist, and depending on the mood, can feel your own heart beating
-a prayer position works well too, with both hands simply praying...
-For those with knee problems and this helps when Master grants a girl "settle" if you do a side ways kneel in other words you are sitting on your but, and rather then your legs tucked under they are pivoted to the right or left side of you
-Nadu, believe it or not, harder for me to do with thighs parted, so i only do for a few moments just to get the position down, then close thighs for as long as i can
-bara-forget it, cant cross wrist behind back..so rather then behind back, cross wrists above head. Still great to bind, actually easier for Master to tie, plus, he can flip a girl over, she doesn't have to be pressing down on her arms and totally exposes front and back...

These are just a few, hope this helps. As far as position, ultimately its whatever Master finds pleasing, and a girl who can hold an adjusted position showing off her beauty charms and devotion to him, instead of a set position from a book that causes nothing but discomfort, wiggles, and a crinkled face is useless..(of course unless Masters wish to put their girls in temporary discomfort)

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/12/2006 6:44:19 PM

medievalwench

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Thankyou justina, your advice is very helpful to Master and his girl and W/we are happy to try out new suggestions so that this girl can express her submission in a pleasing way for Him,
Sincerely,
wench

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/12/2006 7:43:03 PM

nephandi

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One thing whit it comes to nadu, kneeling is a unusual position for Western pepole. When i read up aboute Ninjutsu i was recomended to kneel in the sofa for 10 minutes every time i watched a movie to get the body used to that position since one can end up kneeling for houers on end during cermones, this is a recomendation that is useful for D/s folks to. Point is, if you are not used to kneeling, dont expect to be kneeling for long at a time, that will not work and only pain and ackes in the joins will follow, that position must be trained before it can be held for long whitout becoming uncomfortable and/or dangerous.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/12/2006 11:34:19 PM

noyeh

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Greetings Masters, Mistresses and fellow slaves,

My Master in the home feels it is acceptable to adapt the positions as needed for any type of injury issue. The gravity of this planet is way stronger than that of The fictional Gor. Injuries and illness sad to say exsist on this planet and We can't for see accidents happening. If we could there would be less of them. So my Master and I both feel that if a slave becomes injured there is no reason to further cause harm to the injury by assuming a possibly harmful position that the said slave could not possible assume without causing further injury or discomfort.

Even though I am a healthy slave and uninjured from time to time My Master throws me a pillow to nadu/kneel on. Because sometimes He has me kneeling for unsual periods of time and he knows that the tiles get uncomfortable and the weight of being on them for too long could possibly cause injury if not property cushioned as I am kneeling on tiles. So He is merciful enough and honorable enough to know his properties limits. Any Master or Mistress would know that a Gorean Master/Mistress would not inflict harmful damage to their property and would use proper Judgment on a slaves endurance for certain positions wether she/he are injured or not.

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RE: Adapting slave positions because of injuries - 11/13/2006 5:02:25 AM

kisshou

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greetings wench,

alot of girls when first in training are ordered to spend time (an hour total) doing each position, nude in front of a full length mirror. Even if you have to adjust a position then you should still strive to make it the most beautiful and pleasing to the eye adjustment you can. After doing this you will find it changes how you walk and move for the rest of the day. The focus is not on 'hey do i look beautiful' but 'will the Owner find this beautiful to look at'.

Positions just like anything else would be subtly adjusted to an Owners preference anyhow.

My hair is normally in a ponytail but if ordered into position I quickly rip off the ponytail holder and shake my hair out so it floats down my back while assuming the position because that is how Master PO likes it.

Hope this was helpful to you.

well wishes
kisshou

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