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German Gorean - 9/3/2010 6:37:27 AM   
AlbertusMagnus


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Status: offline 		Tal and greetings everybody,

I found it rude to interfere in discussions without introducing myself.
My name is Albert, I am 42 and from Germany.
I've been active at a Gorean community on the internet for quite a while. It was a group of carefully selected people who really tried to live what they believed in. We built a society which worked based on a set of values we found true. To believe in this set of values is what it means for me to call me a Gorean.
I've had some slaves online, and one I could meet in Germany, but I never found a community of real Goreans here. All I found is roleplayers. If you can give me a hint, you're welcome.

I peeked into some discussions here and saw a lot of pointless arguments about what it means to be a Gorean.
My 2 cents, just to let you know where I stand:
1. To be Gorean mostly includes, but is far more than owning slaves. As much as being a man mostly includes, but is far more than fucking women.
2. To be a Gorean man to me is to believe in values and to try and live them. This is not restricted to the planet Gor or even the presence of others who share these values, though it makes it feel more comfortable.

I have no wish to discuss this, it is what I am and this is not arguable. period.
I'm happy to hear your opinions, though, and I will respect them as I expect you to respect mine.

I'm looking forward to meet interesting people and learn about them.

That's all for now.
Albert
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RE: German Gorean - 9/3/2010 11:21:55 AM   
ryssa


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Status: offline 		Wish you lots of luck.

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RE: German Gorean - 9/3/2010 1:09:48 PM   
MastrVran


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Welcome to the Forums> I am sure it will be interesting for you at times lol.

MV

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RE: German Gorean - 10/2/2010 1:47:29 AM   
skinlover


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Status: offline 		Albert as someone with a fresh approach it would be so interesting to know how the communitty operated,and some of their views,especially from the view of some one as new as I am.

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RE: German Gorean - 10/2/2010 6:24:45 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Velkommann und Wehgehts Sie Einen, Albert!!!

Ich arbeiten bei die armee im Grafenwohr, Schwetzingen und Heidelberg von zwei und sieptsich zur funf und sieptsich  (2 and 70 to 5 and 70) 

Fiel und Gluck.

Ich bien der Grosse und mishtegas shirtzenjaeger. (is shirtzen correct for apron?)

Thats it, i'm done with the Deutsch. Didn't know much then, don't know any now.

Hup the Fool 

Das ungerheuer ist enfesselt!!!!!!

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RE: German Gorean - 10/2/2010 6:01:47 PM   
skinlover


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Status: offline 		Ok that is fine,I have no problem with that

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RE: German Gorean - 1/3/2011 4:26:13 AM   
Blazeor


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From: Germany, Kassel
Status: offline 		Tal,
schön zu sehen das es hier Gleichgesinnte gibt.  / nice to see same minded people here.
Ich bin seit ca. 7 Jahren RP-Gorean in SL und seit ca. 2 Jahren habe ich RL meine Kajira mit allen Rechten und Pflichten.
/ I am since near 7 years Roleplay-Gorean in SecondLife and since near 2 years i have my RealLife Kajira with all rights and duty.
Wir verzichten zum Wohle ihres Kindes (7j.) auf 24/7 goreanischen Lebensstil. / We renounce for the kid of 7 years to live gorean lifestyle 24/7 (24hours/7days).
Um wenigstens etwas goreanisch zu leben, betätigen wir uns "mittelalterlich" und erzählen im Freudes und Familienkreis das wir Mittelalter Rollenspiele machen. / To live gorean style a little bit, we doing it "medieval" and talk to Friends and Family that we making Medieval Roleplays.
Wäre schön Kontakte zu finden, zu weiteren "Goreanern" in Deutschland, die ähnliche oder auch keine Probleme haben ihren Lebenstil zu leben. / Would be fine, to find contacts to more "goreans" in germany, that have same or no problems to live there lifestyle.

me'shan Blazeor (Markus)
kajira sassi (Saskia)

P.S. wir suchen noch eine Kettenschwester / we looking for Chainsister too.

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RE: German Gorean - 1/3/2011 7:30:31 PM   
Bear0fAr


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Status: offline 		Albertus,

I am a product of the U.S. public school system, which means I have no second language to greet you in.

Welcome.

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RE: German Gorean - 1/3/2011 8:38:59 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Hello Blazeor,
 
I'm sorry my German is not even good enough to make the attempt at a reply, however one sentence in your introduction caught my attention, could you please explain it further?

We renounce for the kid of 7 years to live gorean lifestyle 24/7 (24hours/7days).
 
What does this mean?   You renounced a seven year old child?   Is this something that truly is lost in translation?
 
Thank you,
 
Lisa



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RE: German Gorean - 1/4/2011 4:24:55 AM   
joanneeve


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Status: offline 		Greetings and welcome to the forum,

Lisa: I think he meant they chose not to live the lifestyle 24/7 due to the presence of a 7 year old child.

There are a number of german goreans in germany, I know of atleast 4 in the north of germany. You just need to take the time to look around.

joanne

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RE: German Gorean - 1/4/2011 6:29:48 AM   
AnnaOfAramis


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Status: offline 		Wilkommen Meister,

Dieses Mädchen hatte eine Frage also... warum konnten Sie das goreanischen Lebensstil mit Kindern nicht leben? Wir haben zwei Kindern, und wir sind immer goreanisch. Es gibt wenig daß die Kinder nicht sehen konnten... (und als die Kinder schlafen können wir auch etwas mehr tun )

mit freundlichen Grüßen,
anna



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RE: German Gorean - 1/4/2011 7:09:01 AM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Thank you joanneeve!

After your post I had a "duh" moment...when I re read the sentence it made sense. 

Lisa



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RE: German Gorean - 1/4/2011 4:22:08 PM   
Blazeor


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From: Germany, Kassel
Status: offline 		Hi all,
thanks for the replies. I am sorry, as "born" german i had problems with the sentences in english at school. After years of conversation in internet i feel better ^^.
to Always Lisa: thanks for correct me there, to say what i want i need sometimes a translation book for words i dont use often. Like "renounce" ^^
to AnnaOfAramis: yes we would love it, but in germany we have not so open minded people around sometimes, and the goverment has an eye on families like us (( kajira was in psychatric problems, kid has ADHS )) for the kids health. Some "specialists" always see gorean D/s Lifestyle as BDSM and BDSM as SM..and nobody will left a kid in a Sadistic household. A girlfriend of us, Kajira too, has lost all 5 kids at the divorce to the bad father, because of he opened all her contacts in SL/BDSM-Communities and said what she done at home to the judge / jurisdiction.

Greets and safe paths
Blazeor

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RE: German Gorean - 1/4/2011 4:43:08 PM   
joanneeve


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Blazeor,

That sounds rather extreme and I know it is not the usual path for German authorites. If the children have been taken away there is more in play then what you say. I know how the Jugendamt works.

joanne

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RE: German Gorean - 1/8/2011 11:07:14 AM   
Phoenixpower


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quote:

ORIGINAL: joanneeve

Greetings Master Blazeor,

That sounds rather extreme and I know it is not the usual path for German authorites. If the children have been taken away there is more in play then what you say. I know how the Jugendamt works.joanne

It isnt a contradiction to what he said in my view (thats how yours sounds to me). He said:

quote:

A girlfriend of us, Kajira too, has lost all 5 kids at the divorce to the bad father, because of he opened all her contacts in SL/BDSM-Communities and said what she done at home to the judge / jurisdiction


divorces can get ugly and if there is a doubt on the safety of the kids (which he might have done with his way of dealing against her to ensure he gets the kids) then it sounds believible to me. Sometimes the wrong people are believed and sometimes even german Jugendaemter do overreact.

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RE: German Gorean - 1/10/2011 5:02:13 AM   
joanneeve


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Status: offline 		Greetings,

I was responding to the reasons he listed for the children being taken away. I know several people with children where the parents are involved in BDSM and other such activities, and this is known by the Jugendamt...even after a very nasty and dirty divorce the children still remain with the children.

joanne

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RE: German Gorean - 1/10/2011 8:11:40 AM   
Camerius


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quote:

ORIGINAL: joanneeve

Greetings,

I was responding to the reasons he listed for the children being taken away. I know several people with children where the parents are involved in BDSM and other such activities, and this is known by the Jugendamt...even after a very nasty and dirty divorce the children still remain with the children.

joanne




I hope not....


Camerius



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RE: German Gorean - 1/10/2011 8:15:44 AM   
Phoenixpower


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quote:

ORIGINAL: joanneeve

Greetings,

I was responding to the reasons he listed for the children being taken away. I know several people with children where the parents are involved in BDSM and other such activities, and this is known by the Jugendamt...even after a very nasty and dirty divorce the children still remain with the children.

joanne



still doesn't mean that every Jugendamt might get it, and as stated before divorces can get ugly and if BDSM is missrepresented from a partner with the aim to get the children, it is possible.

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RE: German Gorean - 1/10/2011 9:03:49 AM   
joanneeve


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Status: offline 		Thank you Master Camerius,

I meant the children stay with the mother or father.

phoenix, the one case was in the same State as the one Master Blazeor is in.

joanne

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RE: German Gorean - 1/11/2011 11:11:19 AM   
Blazeor


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quote:

ORIGINAL: joanneeve

Thank you Master Camerius,

I meant the children stay with the mother or father.

phoenix, the one case was in the same State as the one Master Blazeor is in.

joanne



Yes, alright.
The children stay with the "bad" father, the mother has a new partner thats her new master too. They live gorean style at home, but the goverment (jugendamt) dont allow her to see her own children after all.
I call the father bad, because he have beaten her and broke her some bones as they were married.
The reason the kids stay with the father is, she was in psychatric care (after his violence): He has profed that she is in BDSM Circles as Sub ( like the german contact side "Sklavenzentrale" and her SecondLife and RealLife-Contacts too.); but she can't profe he´s sadistic man, that he would beat her and the children. The autorities say the children living better by there father, because of her mental situation and after the father told all about her. Thats the situation, she fights against this judgment; but i dont see a chance to her. The "jugendamt" looks on the best situation for the kids, but they make mistakes too. How would you decide: for a "mad" mother that live as Slave, for a "maybe brutal" father.
What should be better for the kids?

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