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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/12/2010 4:54:55 AM   
Dinnardin


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ORIGINAL: AmiraBedra

To be honest, I haven't read the books yet but I certainly intend to. I most of the conversation in this topic very interesting. I'm looking forward to being able to voice my own opinions on it after I get and read the books.

As it is right now. I've only read about the books, so I haven't any real opinions to share.



This is, sadly, a rather rare attitude about this world...and I do not just speak of Gor...too many enter assorted frays without actually bothering to learn what it is that they are fraying for.  Go, read the books, then dive right in and get frayed.

John, AKA Dinnardin

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/12/2010 4:55:14 AM   
Terrah


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Status: offline 		Hello All,

I wanted to give an explanation of what to me is a Gorean Free woman, but Cheryl kinda said it all. From living a life of slavery where I have to give in my own inner person to one who rules me, I just can't do it. I do make myself miserable and everyone else around me. I have to have the ability to decide, to serve as I can with my own way of doing for my man as I am able to without compromising my own principles or my own beliefs. I believe that is what separates the slave from the Free woman. I have free will and I have for my sake to use it, my principles are my own, my actions I temper to my mate's if I can.

I cannot say I am back again, but I'll try harder to get closer to the group again. We just bought a resort in Michigan and I have been extremely busy not only putting this deal together, but remolding our house in Texas which is now done and up for sale. The resort is in a beautiful setting on a river with cabins and motel rooms, some rustic camping and let me tell you of the fishing! We have a river full of salmon right now and the fishermen are pouring in to get them. So you fishermen out there, or deer hunters, or grouse hunters we are just waiting for ya to get here. LOL  Yes we are by the snowmobile trails too, it's a great little spot to be and we are very busy but happy here so all is good. So there's my blurb about our new adventure.


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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/12/2010 12:23:36 PM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		Good Luck with this new phase of your life...

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/12/2010 12:39:35 PM   
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Greetings anna,

Agree. What is the external source? Her master?

well wishes,
Arturas


Greetings Master,

Yes, it would be her Master, or if unowned, someone with a propensity to be slave, would be more likely to follow rules given them from other external sources, rather than creating the rules. And to get the thread back on track as far as the OP, one supposes that a propensity to hold onto one's self determination as far as one's moral compass goes rather than to rely on others to guide one, might lead a woman to be more likely to remain Free, or to choose to be Free, because if every time a Man told her to do something she disagreed with she chose to go her own way, then, she wouldn't be a slave for very long.

Well wishes,
anna

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/13/2010 4:25:28 AM   
Dangruscurvz


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I considered responding to this thread earlier on, but decided to wait and see what kinds of responses came in.  And my, oh my they've been pretty... interesting.

I considered composing a new post and as I often do, I browsed through my old files. When I reviewed this topic, I found that I really wouldn't change anything in the post I created back in 2004 - it was true then, and is still true today. 

So, here is my definition of a Gorean Free Woman:

http://dangrus.blogspot.com/2010/04/greetings-folks-i-was-talking-with-my.html

Wish you all well,

~Dangrus


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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/13/2010 7:52:32 PM   
sweetgirlserves


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Status: offline 		Can a woman be enslaved by a man with a totally different moral outlook than she has. Yes. Can a Free Woman be convinced to adopt a totally different moral outlook than she had by her Free Companion. Yes. Does either happen often? Probably not since we tend to be with someone (whether in a M/s relationship or a FC relationship) who shares similar core values. The enslavement process usually tends to be particularly tough if there are too many major discrepancies. I think we like to exagerate a bit when we start to imply otherwise.

~sgs

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/14/2010 7:52:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves

Can a woman be enslaved by a man with a totally different moral outlook than she has. Yes. Can a Free Woman be convinced to adopt a totally different moral outlook than she had by her Free Companion. Yes. Does either happen often? Probably not since we tend to be with someone (whether in a M/s relationship or a FC relationship) who shares similar core values. The enslavement process usually tends to be particularly tough if there are too many major discrepancies. I think we like to exagerate a bit when we start to imply otherwise.

~sgs


To this sweetgirl I completely agree. However; I don't always think it is a cut and dry case of over exaggeration in a negative sense as I also think many would tend to lean towards as to the why reasoning. In a medium such as this I think the over exaggeration sometimes is more an attempt at expressing the sincerity, passion and dedications persons are sharing/experiencing and not a game but a way of life..their life.

As to the OP..what draws anyone to be or do anything..even yourself? As many answers as there are people probably. I think sometime back I simply placed Gorean into a belief system that people have. Over the years here reading and talking to a few I find some do and some don't apply those beliefs into actual actions but even those (or most of them) do atleast attempt to..which in todays world it often seems that many just drift and attempt nothing or shoot for nothing.

starshine

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/19/2010 1:17:58 AM   
nephandi


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I identify as as Gorean free woman because Aswad freed me so I am a free person. I am also interested in the Gorean philosophies in my own right. I do not agree with all of it, and I am sure there are many who would not see me as Gorean because of that. I have never been one to just accept a system or a lifestyle, what I do not agree with I do not personally practice, however to me most of the Gorean philosophy makes allot of sense. I am a Gorean free woman basically because I am into the lifestyle and I am a woman, I do not really know what more to say. The Gorean lifestyle makes my life better, it gives me a satisfying way to look at the world and prompts me to act with honor and dignity and be the kind of person that I want to be.

I wish you well


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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/19/2010 1:25:28 AM   
nephandi


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I think the difference is that a free woman is free to choose if the man she is with have an acceptable moral outlook, a slave do not really have that choice once he or she have been enslaved. The Master's morals is not really the business of the slave. Ones partner's morals however is definitely the business of a free woman, she can say, this is not the kind of man I want to be with and leave.

That being said I think men and woman often have different morals. We are created differently, for a woman in most societies for example it was not considered dishonorable to run from and attacker and leave a man to fight him alone. Women where supposed to survive to tend to the children. In most old societies and many cultures to say, there is one moral code for woman and another for men, as men and woman have different roles in society at large, and their minds work differently it is not expected that they should have exactly the same morals either.

I wish you well


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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/30/2010 10:08:51 PM   
RedBottomGirl26


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Status: offline 		Nephandi, I totally agreed with what you were saying & I think that's very much an important issue with being considered free or not, or it just gave me a different perspective. I think part of the reason I struggle so, is b/c I...am indeed very much going down the path of submissive to slave, yet I find myself probably journeying there very much alone, but I've been making the most of my transition, with or without a Master, with or without a Dom. I suppose it's entirely possible to be a slave to yourself (kind of boring, but I guess anyone can live w/ any type of mentality that they truly want to, as long as they aren't really bothering anyone with it; if it's mostly a private thing I guess).

Anyway, thanks for reminding me that a slave shouldn't really question her Master's motives, in fact, that's the very thing that usually causes me problems b/c I am transitioning still from submissive, and it's indeed very difficult to remind myself, what's the right thing, and what is just selfish vanity. It's really tough sometimes, esp. in our society (US, where we're told to be the best, compete competitively and always win...because a submissive is really frowned upon right now, so it's very hard to find a place in the world, let alone the very small space I inhabit, in order to find real meaning and balance).

I think you are very observant (well maybe just human nature) that men and woman are indeed very differently made, not just physically but mentally as well, it might explain many of the struggles but also boons too. Ideally, in a perfect world we'd all really be equal, everything would be just, and right and wrong would be more black and white, but we all know life is really a complicated a grey area.

Sidenote: Kudos on the boo, icon from the Mario games, very Halloweenish, and cute, I always like them. hehe, wow my childish side is showing again. But then again, I'm an original nintendo generation gamer too, but I still like the graphics/stories that are way more indepth now than they used to be in the 80's, that's for sure. I would have died from the gaming boredom of astroids in the late 70's hehe, or whatever they had back then, but I guess they had to start somewhere, or we wouldn't have advanced as far as we have in such a short amount of time.

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 10/31/2010 4:16:00 PM   
MIsabelah


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Status: offline 		RedBottom: I applaud your willingness to converse with others. To not allow others to dictate your thoughts or feelings based on what you have written. I also admire your desire to get answers about yourself and yet still be reflective in your journey. :)

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 11/1/2010 8:30:58 PM   
RedBottomGirl26


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Status: offline 		**** Misabela, thank you for the compliment. Hard to believe you admire me, so few ever do, but I guess that means you can indeed see something different from everyone else as well. That's a rare commodity, to just be yourself and think for yourself, though our culture does say they value that, but of course when you do go against the grain & seen as a rebel, of course, very few ppl will like you, unless they are also one themselves. Your comment reminded me of an "Outer Limits" episode [90's version], about this high school boy in a prep school, & he finds out most of them are robots (maybe it was a military academy), but he has to pretend he's a robot or drone too, otherwise they all might get suspicious & try to have him "killed". I forget if the ending was good or bad, b/c not all the endings were happy, in fact...I only recall a few that were, most were very foreboding about the future, or humanity. But, I think he managed to shut them down, or escape, but it's been a long time since I've seen it. Anyway, I guess my point is, is that in order to be reflective, I do think you have to debate things alot, in order to draw better conclusions, which most people won't dig that deeply for an answer. The truth & lies end up scaring many people away from seeking answers, or finding out more questions. Sometimes just knowing the right question to ask can be tough, and there aren't always answers for everything in life too.

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 11/1/2010 8:37:04 PM   
MIsabelah


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Status: offline 		RedBottom: Well said.

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RE: Gorean Free Women - 12/29/2010 10:35:39 AM   
Kaledorus


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Status: offline 		A man I've known for years his Free Companion is an exceptional woman and is what non-Goreans might refer to as a submissive woman.  The problem outsiders have with our concept of a "free woman" is that they equate it to what, e.g., a modern American woman portrays.  So they expect Free Women to be THAT way, nothing could be further from the truth.

Culture decides what is truth, but truth, unfortunately, is unaware of this. Cultures, mad and blind, can die upon the rocks of truth. Why can truth not be the foundation of culture, rather than its nemesis? Can one not build upon the stone cliffs of reality rather than dash one's head against them?

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