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Amazing, simply amazing....
While the RedBottomGirl26’s response doesn't do anything to advance the credibility of the Gorean philosophy, it certainly doesn't detract from it either.
My intention was to remain out of this thread since it appeared to me that Caitlyn was addressing her query toward the Gorean women. But I see now we have responses that in themselves need met.
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ORIGINAL: RedBottomGirl26
I don't claim to know much about Gorean lifestyle, I personally have not read the books for myself, & based on what I've been hearing, not really sure if I'd like to. I do know someone who read the original 5 set series of books, & he believes the rest is just fan-fiction.
So let me get this correct; you have no personal knowledge of the Gorean philosophy yourself. In fact, going by what you state yourself, you are basing your opinions on hearsay and conjecture brought forward by others that also seem to have very little knowledge of the subject itself. I mean 5 books out of 27, surely your friend can do better than that?
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haha, it makes me laugh because he was telling me that mostly it was used back in the 50's to just whack off to, and to fantasize that maybe it might be an interesting idea.
I am compelled to inform you that the original book Tarnsman of Gor was published in December of 1967, so for them to have been whack off material for your friend in the 50’s he would have to be a time traveler. So I suspect the credibility of your friend’s synopsis of the Gorean works is tarnished at best.
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However, he said such things don't really exist. I mean, in today's modern world, harems are just...a waste of energy, and almost too much responsiblity.
So to you the Gorean philosophy boils down to men having harems? You are right that a harem would be a great responsibility and a large expense as well. In fact so much so that even in these books you have not read very few men actually had one. As far as that goes, the books state that not many men could afford the cost of a single slave.
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Everyone tries to make a big deal out of Gor, like those philosophies are actually obtainable (sure maybe the basic principles; perhaps).
Everyone? Just who is everyone? You are aware that very few people that apply the Gorean philosophies to their life go around spreading their message uninvited.
Additionally I assure you that the Gorean philosophy is very attainable. You see while you think the ideals of Gor are about slaves, harems and sexual fantasy those that are actually studying the concepts are looking deeper than that. They are actually interested in what makes a man or a woman strive to be better, to live closer to the world around him, to understand what it truly means to live free as the person you are and to be able to stand on your own without all the false pretense that the world is supposed to be fair.
Gosh I didn't even mention the slave part did I? The reason being is because that is not a priority, just a benefit. The books discuss it to provide story line and to provoke interest as they demonstrate the nature of humanity.
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But, when you wake up to the real world around you, it just holds little place in reality. At least for me, and I'm not trying to offend anyone's way of life, because I know there are more than likely many who will disagree with what I say.
Just what real world are you talking about? I live in Iowa; my real world is filled with work, play, family and friends. I do have a bit different approach than some do to my daily routine though. You see things like truth and integrity mean a great deal to me, I run my own business and I actually turn away work if it appears the deal would be less than, on the up and up.
You see I have a personal and professional code of ethics I live by, and while certainly anyone could, to those that espouse the Gorean philosophies that means more than gold. I also have a sense of community that is rather devoted, not that it has to be, but I choose to live that way.
While these qualities exist for those other than Gorean it is common knowledge to Gorean types that other Goreans function this way, so they would have faith in the business and personal practices of other Goreans. Now certainly this isn't all that there is to being a Gorean, but since you have such limited experience to draw from I thought I'd lend a beginner’s assist.
Listen, Goreans don't have the market cornered on some self determined state of righteousness, but neither do Feminist, or Liberals, or the Religious Rightists, Tea Partiers, or Leather men, or Gangsters, or whoever lives to a set of beliefs that fit them. It’s those that are working to better themselves that leave me impressed.
The main difference between you and I is that I don't pretend that I have an opinion worthy of print over an issue that I have put absolutely no effort into understanding.
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I welcome a certain amount of difference.
Your comments suggest otherwise.
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In my personal opinion, people should not try to live their life by a book or other media format, to do so, would literally make you a slave in real life (in your thoughts especially).
Again because you are misinformed you have the premise all wrong. To consider the Gorean philosophy is not to live out the scenes in a book, those that aren't role-playing the books out on some cyber site are not confined to a no choice scenario. They have the choice to live as they will, apply what they may, and to judge and be judged accordingly.
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You should only live your life the way that makes sense to you, because you don't want to live for someone else truly, do you?
This is exactly the point you are missing; this is what the Gorean philosophy implies. For the free it suggests you live free, live within yourself, master yourself and that which would be yours to master, take what should be yours, defend it or it is not yours. For those that would be other than free it suggests to be that which you are, if surrendering your freedom offers you a sense of freedom that only you can appreciate, then do so and expect to be held to account for such.
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I would like to understand more about Gor, but is it really something I personally want to seek out and explore, probably not, some ideas are best left to the big screen and in books.
Actually it doesn't appear to me that you have any desire to understand more. Just reading what you have written here suggests that this comment is disingenuous and leaves most of your remaining commentary in question.
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Personally, Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaiden's Tale"...actually made more sense to me than the Gor books would I feel. Though, in her book, the society was strictly patriarchical, and more of a warning about how "not" to live (similar warning that Plato's "The Republic" made about the so-called Guardians who were more like tyrants than guardians of anything, rather than making a viable solution for how to live. I think the point to that book/movie [Atwood's] is that...if you honestly let others direct your life, then you are not "free" at all, in any sense of the word "free". But, it was nicely written, and you don't have to be a feminist to recognize good literature.
I'm still not sure how you could form an opinion on something you have no tangible understanding of.
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If I compared the Gor books to something like Atwood, it just wouldn't compare in my eyes. The Gor books were pulp to me (sorry if that offends some),
Again, from where do you draw your conclusions?
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but some literature stands out as being more classical, more worldly, not just the wishful thinking of one person. A good writer, is in my eyes, able to express truths that others can agree with, or at least see some value in, even if they disagree with the set-up.
So those that are making this big deal about Gor, as you alluded to earlier don't count with their assessment of Norman's literature? Holy shit, you sure are an arrogant and self-righteous wench.
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I don't know if this was really on-point about what it means to be a Gorean-free woman, but I suspect, by asking, researching and answering...that in such critically thinking process, I feel I am also getting closer to the truth.
Actually you were way off topic; all you seemed out to do was attempt to discredit something you apparently know absolutely nothing about.
And no, you in your halfhearted attempt to judge the ideas of others have discovered no truths, no facts and certainly no credibility of your own.
I hope this clears things up for someone, but somehow I doubt you'll be hearing much of what I said.
< Message edited by xBullx -- 10/3/2010 9:55:12 AM >
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