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RE: Is there a clear line? Or is it fuzzy? - 10/23/2010 7:53:58 PM

Cherylmazana

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Hi Bull,

To step away from the question of semantics and discuss why some women would want to be a slave seems like a good idea, much better than running around in circles discussing something that ultimately changes nothing and is simply a change in the use of a word.

I agree with you on how free women tend to react towards slaves, I have often pondered this discrepancy between the things that Norman wrote about that has a basis in truth and this aspect that always puzzled me. I came up with a few ideas that might explain it.

I have conjected in the past that Norman based his free women on people he knew, most likely the extreme feminists that he was in conflict with as a professor, these women acted as if they hated and feared both men and their own bodies. I see so many times even now women who on one hand want the perfect man and yet on the other hand cry alone and secret in their loneliness, they are not willing to compromise for anything and any one, so they remain in their ivory towers, their robes and demeanour protecting them from any form of affection. Isn’t this something we see many times in the books, the free woman puzzled as to why she doesn’t have a companion while she refuses to have anything other than the most superficial of relationships based not on caring and love but instead based upon what she perceives is right for her?

These women went out to destroy families, I don’t think they meant to but a woman at home looking after her family became worthless as the cry to liberate women rose, your worth became linked to your job not how well you loved and raised your family, I see echoes of this in the physicians where a woman was forced to have children before she could complete her training. When you think of the times these books were written and what we see now with so many young women not wanting children and families until later and later when it can “fit in” and then often their children being raised by child minders you can see the damage done.

Of course these women would hate women who love men, they were saying that everything she sacrificed for her ideals was a lie, now we are seeing these crusaders of feminism starting to say that you cannot have everything, that in trying to have it all you exhaust yourself and you ultimately choose which one is more important giving short change to the other. They sacrificed their femininity, love and often the chance for happiness on the altar of women do not need man and are better than men, ignoring the biological truth that we are designed to complement each other rather than be engaged in stupid contests of whose metaphorical balls are bigger. They are jealous of what they lost in their fight to be free, to be equal, when alone in their rooms they cried for the simple love their own wishes had denied them.

I will end it there for the moment and go onto mastery as I see it later as this post is already too long lol.

Cheryl

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RE: Is there a clear line? Or is it fuzzy? - 11/2/2010 12:20:01 PM

nephandi

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Greetings

First off all I apologize for my late reply. I have not been on collarme for a few weeks.

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Umm when i see someone dressed in a pointy hat etc yeah i do think she is roleplaying. Yes i also think she is having FUN also. The point is this -- if you do this while you may be having fun, if you think you are doing it to BE more Gorean or if you are doing it to APPEAR more Gorean around others, that is where the issue comes in.

If I where to put a pointy hat on my head just for fun, or for a Halloween party I would not see myself as roleplaying, simply as dressing up. As for fiction, okey, let me make another example. I am a Chaote, one thing that Chaotes do, which also make other occultists look on us like insane people is that we take ideas from fiction and mix them into our occult practice. We feel that we create our our reality, so a God we create ourselves are as real as one created by myth. As such we might pray to for example a creature from Lovecraftian horror. Now is it roleplaying then if I wear a tshirt with art from a Lovecraftian fiction book? Or named my cat Cthulu? I mean I did not pretend to be in any fiction setting, I just did a ritual believing that a God is just a though form so that a though form created by fiction is as real as a though form created by myth.

Or what if I got a philosophy from a piece of fiction, let us say Star Wars, would that mean I was roleplaying it if I for fun dressed up in Jedi robes for a dinner?

To me roleplaying is all in the intent, is the intent to pretend to be something, then it is roleplaying, if the intent is to take something from fiction and plying it to real life then it is not roleplaying. And yes I know that some Goreans thinks mimicking the books is what makes them Gorean, and that might be the wrong way to go about it, but I still do not think it is roleplaying as they are not playing a role.

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To me, if you are having fun roleplaying the books then what's the big deal on admitting it? That's what i am not getting here. People are being so defensive and trying to call it something other than what it is and i don't get why. Sorry but calling it having fun doesn't describe what it is in actuality.

I do have fun and roleplay Gor at times. I like all forms of roleplaying. However calling my cat a sleen and chicken nuggets for velo bits is not playing a role. Having fun with the setting, being silly, mimicking, all this is better words for if one is to roleplay something one need actually be playing a role, as in pretending to be someone one is not. Roleplay is a make believe, it is not just having fun with a setting.

I wish you well

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