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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

it will be interesting to see if he understood what I said and can respond without avoidance. LOL

R0 ... I'm never sure what you are saying.

I would, however, highly recommend anything by Michael Shermer, but especially The Borderlands of Science: Where Sense Meets Nonsense.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Such sarcasm.

I'll be glad to enlighten you but first prove you understand enough about the subject to discuss it, why, in simple terms, are all the dimensions of space inextricably tied into time? This little exercise will at least prove to me that you do or don't know the first thing wrong with the article you quoted.

After the multi page affair where it turned out you didn't know what constant acceleration was I think it best to make sure you actually know at least a little about the subject at hand.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

what you have there like I said is psuedo science that will only give you half the result.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Such sarcasm.

I'll be glad to enlighten you but first prove you understand enough about the subject to discuss it, why, in simple terms, are all the dimensions of space inextricably tied into time? This little exercise will at least prove to me that you do or don't know the first thing wrong with the article you quoted.

After the multi page affair where it turned out you didn't know what constant acceleration was I think it best to make sure you actually know at least a little about the subject at hand.

In other words, your post was just a drive by.

Have you anything on-topic? Obi wan?

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The resolution of the problem of black holes violating conservation of information is resolved by holographic "smearing" of information on the surface of the black hole.

The boundaries of a big bang universe are also well described by a holographic model.

One misunderstanding about the holographic model is that it implies things are not "real". It is more akin to the equivalence of matter and energy, and what we perceive as material is just an interpretation of wave forms.

Try Talbots "Holograhic Universe". It predates quantum holography but does a good job of explaining some of the implications.

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The resolution of the problem of black holes violating conservation of information is resolved by holographic "smearing" of information on the surface of the black hole.

The boundaries of a big bang universe are also well described by a holographic model.

One misunderstanding about the holographic model is that it implies things are not "real". It is more akin to the equivalence of matter and energy, and what we perceive as material is just an interpretation of wave forms.

Try Talbots "Holograhic Universe". It predates quantum holography but does a good job of explaining some of the implications.

Good post, willbe.

I have Talbot's book.  It was what got me interested in the subject.

Some of the stuff is pretty far out.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

A bit too much of a stretch in the last 1/4 or so Im afraid. It jumps too far from reasonable speculation/"dot connecting" to try and build a bigger case.

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what you have there like I said is psuedo science that will only give you half the result.

Where is the "psudeo science" (sic)?

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Under this theory, the universe actually exists in two dimensions and the third is an illusion produced by the intertwining of time and depth. But the false third dimension can’t be perceived as such, because nothing travels faster than light, so instruments can’t find its limits.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



time isnt a dimension its a lazy mans fudge factor to force the math to synchronize with the real world. 

Light is not the fastest boat in town. 

All this crap is to get people think in terms socialism.

Create a few more lunatics that believe time travel is possible and I went round and round with one phd over the matter for hours and he still dont get it.  (brilliant man otherwise.)

look up konstantin meyl for faster than the speed of light.  He also has a rather brilliant unfied theory that actually works.  imo

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time isnt a dimension its a lazy mans fudge factor to force the math to synchronize with the real world. 

Light is not the fastest boat in town. 

All this crap is to get people think in terms socialism.

Create a few more lunatics that believe time travel is possible and I went round and round with one phd over the matter for hours and he still dont get it.  (brilliant man otherwise.)

look up konstantin meyl for faster than the speed of light.  He also has a rather brilliant unfied theory that actually works.  imo

Look up superluminal refraction. Natural light is not the fastest boat in town, but that's not the fastest light can travel.

Also, time can be argued to be a dimension, and in fact on some levels makes sense as one. Imagine a 2 dimensional cross section of a tapered salt shaker. If you move the cross section up or down in the third dimension the profile of the salt shaker will change. However, any objects on the plane will never become aware of the third dimension, only seeing that the salt shaker is changing with "time".

Now imagine a three dimensional cross section of a four dimensional object. As the cross section changes with 'time' you gain the illusion of movement and the illusion of the passage of time.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I suppose it depends on who you argue the point with.

time for instance, intervals of a metronome can be "assigned" to the motion or a method of charting "interval" position of said object via specific metronome tick noting the position of said object or action in the 3 dimensional world. (space)  Its remains 3 dimensional the dimensions never changed.

Adding time does not add a dimension to the physical world the object exists in. 

It s a fudge factor to match the "actions" of the events of the real world to our perceptions at which point it earns the label psuedo.

Simply adding a variable to an equation is not adding a physical "dimension". there are only 3 required to describe any object in space and it motion in space.

EM waves in a tesla coil also travel faster than the speed of light and likewise certain flavors of neutrinos.

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ORIGINAL: MasterNJ20
And you cannot really differentiate between time as "time" and time as a dimension.

Time is an abstract construct and is not real.  When was the last time anyone could reach out and grab a hunk of time?  Its not real therefore cannot be a dimension in the "real" 3d world.

In my example of the two dimensional cross section of a salt shaker, any being on the two dimensional plane as the salt shaker moves through it could not tell the difference between the salt shaker passing through the plane it is on as opposed to another 2 dimensional object expanding and shrinking. both cases would seem exactly the same.

No "being" as in physical body can exist in a 2 dimensional world.  YOur example is only valid to the extent one can "re=present" something, such as on paper, of a 2d computer screen, cad whatever.  Once again an abstraction and a construct.

So this can lead to the conclusion that we are simply experiencing 3 dimensional cross sections of 4 dimensional objects rather than being 3 dimensional objects moving through time and experiencing time.

Sure but thats in math if you want to include all possible vectors arrangements you would have 8 mathematical if you will dimensions to help understand the 3 dimensional world.  There is no such thing as a 3 dimensional cross section.  Slicing something 10000 times does not create dimensions in the physical world it only creates 10000 objects each in a 3d world (space) that you can represent mathematically in up to 8 dimensions that I am aware of unless you wish to include variables as dimensions then the umber is limitless.


And also there are many theories (ie String and M theory) which predict many more than 3 spatial dimensions.

well there are 8 mathematical quadrants I accept as mathematical dimensions but not physical. 

But back on the actual topic, the chaos present at the plank length actually would suggest we're in a compute program rather than a hologram. A skilled programmer would use a macroscopic physics system and a microscopic physics system, where the macroscopic system would be very controlled and predictable, and the microscopic would be very random, this would be because of laziness and the impossible feat of programming each and every quark...though in my opinion either the hologram universe or computer program idea are both a little off.