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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa

Thank you for the link Orion,  I'm heading there now :)

Lisa

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

Look at any forum, let us move away from kink and relationships and into something like discussions of movies.Let us say a group of people where discussing the new Nightmare on Elm Street Film. Now two people in the group did not like the movie, the others enjoyed it. Let us call out two dissidents Frank and Jane.

Now Frank would be more likely to be more straight forward in saying that he did not like the film. For example saying something like this.

I am sick and tired of the constant remakes of old horror films. Sure the effects are good, but the movie is flat and dumb and just lack the good storytelling of previous movies in the series.

Jane would normally be more concerned about not insulting the majority of the group who liked the film and might say it like this.

"The movie looked great, and the costumes where good, and I did enjoy the film, though for me I think the film might lack a little substance compared to the others, but that is just how I feel.

Now this is not now Lisa, me or anyone elses expect men to write, it just tend to be like that. Is this always the case, hell no there are allot of individual differences, but on general if you go to any forum, you will find that women use words like I think, I feel, maybe and so on far more, while men tend to be more direct.

Now unlike Lisa I do not think it is unmanly to speak in terms of roses and moonlight, perhaps because I am  both an occultist and a goth and I think a man can write as flowery as a woman and it would still not be girly, however there is even done scientific research on the fact that male communication, even female communication tend to be more direct, and more demanding if that is the right word for it than women's communication.

Be Well

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You put no stock in studies on human behavior? Guess that explains a lot. I understand that studies have to be weighted, but if you do your research on the study you can usually tell whether it has substance or not. Do you believe in Psychology as a science?

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About scientific evidence, philosopher John Stuart Mill said, “No amount of observations of white swans can allow the inference that all swans are white, but the observation of a single black swan is sufficient to refute that conclusion.”

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

So neither of them were female? I don't understand the "which is which" question then.

Greetings Elisabella,

The wording of this question did not guarantee they were of different genders although it did lead in that direction.

Be well,
Arturas.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You put no stock in studies on human behavior? Guess that explains a lot. I understand that studies have to be weighted, but if you do your research on the study you can usually tell whether it has substance or not. Do you believe in Psychology as a science?

Greetings Orion,

Explain what?

No. I don't believe in Psychology as a science. I only have to recall the past practice of removing brain tissue to correct behavior problems or convict the innocent in courts of law based on the finding of this "science". Finally, let me share this quote discussing Psychology as a science for your consideration. I sums up my belief on this:

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About scientific evidence, philosopher John Stuart Mill said, “No amount of observations of white swans can allow the inference that all swans are white, but the observation of a single black swan is sufficient to refute that conclusion.”

Well wishes
The black swan.

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Of course there is not a right or wrong answer here. We are discussing our individual perceptions of human written communication. My belief is anything about us cannot be discussed in terms of finites; once cannot judge a stranger's mood based on facial expression, one cannot judge a person's gender based on their writing unless there is no risk to yourself.

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Naturally there are studies about everything including human behavior and the affect of coffee on human health. I myself put no stock in those about human behavior or for that matter those that tell me one year that coffee is bad for me and one year it is good for me.

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Certainly the past actions and studies of of a herd can be accurately used to make judgements about how the individuals will act or who they are with a high probably of success but there are exceptions as Orion said and I think true men should be exceptional.

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Besides, as long as you're not swimming with sharks you can safely make a gender guess based on your experience and related government or university studies without much pain. Naturally, with CM postings we're not talking about swimming with sharks, are we?

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No. I don't believe in Psychology as a science. I only have to recall the past practice of removing brain tissue to correct behavior problems or convict the innocent in courts of law based on the finding of this "science". Finally, let me share this quote discussing Psychology as a science for your consideration. I sums up my belief on this:

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Of course there is not a right or wrong answer here. We are discussing our individual perceptions of human written communication. My belief is anything about us cannot be discussed in terms of finites; once cannot judge a stranger's mood based on facial expression, one cannot judge a person's gender based on their writing unless there is no risk to yourself.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

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Of course there is not a right or wrong answer here. We are discussing our individual perceptions of human written communication. My belief is anything about us cannot be discussed in terms of finites; once cannot judge a stranger's mood based on facial expression, one cannot judge a person's gender based on their writing unless there is no risk to yourself.

Like I have said there is no ultimate, 100 percent sure method we are talking about here. I mentioned in my first post in this thread that often I am mistaken for male based on my posts. However there are probabilities and statistics in play. Let us take smiling, not every culture see smiling as a friendly gesture, most do, also not all people smile while happy most do, so if for example a guest at my table tastes my food and smiles, then I take that as a rather good indication that they are finding the food tasty.

There have been studies done on male and female ways of expressing themselves. Now is this a 100 percent, no, some males express themselves is a way which is typically feminine and vise versa, but reading someone express them self with flowery language and allot of emotion it is a rather solid guess, based on actual scientific research that the writer is female.

Also what do you mean by risk to yourself?

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Naturally there are studies about everything including human behavior and the affect of coffee on human health. I myself put no stock in those about human behavior or for that matter those that tell me one year that coffee is bad for me and one year it is good for me.

Well sometimes it get right down to statistics, cold hard facts. For example with coffee science know what is in coffee, and what part of it is good for the human body and what part is bad, and then there is discussion on whatever the good outweigh the bad. However when it comes to gender based human behavior one can actually just look at statistics, how many girls engage in behavior X versus how many boys. Then off course one can discuss why this is, is it nature or is it the result of social norms and so on, however one can count the numbers.

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Certainly the past actions and studies of of a herd can be accurately used to make judgements about how the individuals will act or who they are with a high probably of success but there are exceptions as Orion said and I think true men should be exceptional.

None in this whole thread have claimed that there are no exceptions.

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Besides, as long as you're not swimming with sharks you can safely make a gender guess based on your experience and related government or university studies without much pain. Naturally, with CM postings we're not talking about swimming with sharks, are we?

I do not understand what you mean with this comment, can you kindly explain?

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No. I don't believe in Psychology as a science. I only have to recall the past practice of removing brain tissue to correct behavior problems or convict the innocent in courts of law based on the finding of this "science". Finally, let me share this quote discussing Psychology as a science for your consideration. I sums up my belief on this:

First off all when it comes to lobotomy, if you knew anything about the procedure you would know that it was not something people just decided oh goody let us just dig holes in people's heads, there where research behind it, and actually in more cases than not, it worked, it helped people. Do you think everyone who was lobotomized turned into vegetables and it was all done by evil doctors who wished they where Frankenstein? No actual most people who was lobotomized agreed to the procedure because at the time it was the best and sometimes only way to treat some mental illnesses.

One my of grand uncles underwent lobotomy when he was a young man. He was very sick and could not fiction at all. As a result he got control of his mind back, he was able to get married, work, have a home, a beautiful wife and a daughter. He lived a long, happy life. He was a kind man who lived life to the fullest, and he was not a vegetable, or stupid. Science helped him, it treated a debilitating condition and gave him back his life.

Now today there would have been safer, better methods of treating my uncle, but that is the nature of science, it evolves. Now where there many times where lobotomy did not work and ended up making people more damaged than they where in the first place or even killed them, yes, it was a dangerous procedure, however it was based on scientific knowledge of the brain and the knowledge that removing or damaging certain portions would often cure several mental illnesses.

Now yes there is also a dark side to psychology, people who where treated against their will, people who where locked up for years on no grounds, and who where tortured by staff in horrible asylums, none are denying this dark part of psychology, however if you are saying that because of that dark side psychology is not a science then you might as well say the same about medicine since allot of what we know to day comes from Nazi doctors, or that physics are not a science since it produced the atom bomb.

I wish you well.

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

Op: I do notice a distinct difference in Male writing and Female writing. I myself am at times mistaken with my writing style, hence the choosing of a very feminine name, and information in my signature to avoid such mishaps. However my bluntness, and my youth are a factor in my writing I will admit, I have a hard time, not calling someone a fucking moron when they are as such.

OTW (sorry if you dislike such abbreviations) Thank you for the thought provoking link, I will peruse it much more deeply in my studies in the near future.