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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 5:27:00 PM   
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You've brought upi reseach and statistics a lot more than me, not sure what your point is there to be honest with you.


which makes your claim to have a degree even more believible



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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 5:28:28 PM   
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This thread is pointless. (I don't know why I even bothered to look it.   masochism.)



nothing wrong with having a laugh

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 9:21:01 PM   
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Nice sweeping generalisations, Steve. May I ask, have you actually met a dominant woman? Or are you just making random judgements on people you have never met? If BDSM is so 'wrong' then what are you doing on a BDSM site? What are you going to find on a BDSM site? Well, why do you think they call it a BDSM site?


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 9:43:57 PM   
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Nope, he hasn't met any kinksters and doesn't want to. Skim over the last few pages, it explains a lot.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 9:55:38 PM   
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Not for nothing, but there's somebody who just started a thread that seems like the person could use some saving.  With Steve the savior (read Don Quixote) and a nut job, it would be a match made in heaven.

One more thing while I'm at it.  Steve, do you think you could arrange for therapy for internet trolls?  I've got a list of about five or six people that, if you could work your wonders at behavior modification so that I'd never have to see them again, I'm thinking that would be a kick ass idea.  See, I've decided that the urge to troll the internet is an affliction.  An addiction, if you will, of just being an annoying, disruptive, waste of screen space.  A craving of attention that boarders on the unhealthy because said trolls have no positive attention from anybody in their life in the real world.

I'm thinking if you could come up with therapy that actually works for internet trolls, we'd have something to talk about.


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 10:04:09 PM   
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All I want to know is... can I have a Cadbury Egg? Aqua mentioned them a couple of pages back... and I really really want one! :)

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 10:10:46 PM   
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I've never met a kinkster before either, but even I know better than to assume that I know more about it than those who have years of experience.
Steve, you say it is wrong. How the fuck do you know if you've never even met a kinkster let alone have any experience?

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 10:51:11 PM   
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All I want to know is... can I have a Cadbury Egg? Aqua mentioned them a couple of pages back... and I really really want one! :)



In the interests of not having my ass kicked by the mods, you shall have mail in a minute explaining why I was compelled to cry about about Cadbury eggs.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 10:57:34 PM   
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Wow,what a bitter troll, to come up with such shit


No. No. He's right. BDSM is wrong. It's very wrong and you've been bad. Very very bad. Obviously you need to be punished!
 
(Also, I , too, would like a Cadbury egg, but that's off-topic.)

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/10/2011 11:26:54 PM   
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In the interests of not having my ass kicked by the mods, you shall have mail in a minute explaining why I was compelled to cry about about Cadbury eggs.


Thank you for said message. :)

On topic, I really cannot understand why someone would claim to have this deep understanding of a group of people without ever meeting or really talking to any of them. I was TRYING to see this guy's point of view, until he admitted he had no interest in getting to know kinksters before judging them as dysfunctional people.

I've known dysfunction in my life. Quite harshly. My Master and I together gives me more peace, more serenity, and more sanity than I've ever known before.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 2:02:37 AM   
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Well bless your little heart for standing firm on your original OP.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 2:49:56 AM   
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I cannot believe I read all of these blessed pages...my eyeballs feel all dried out now and I am all out of hot cocoa.

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What do you think of this article?
That it has nothing to do with what I do.  There is a difference between being dominant and merely domineering.  The article has nothing to do with D/s and BDSM.
I was wondering on here realise bdsm is very unhealthy or not?
This is like a "Have you stopped beating your wife" question, but I will try to answer anyway.  No, most people here do not "realize" nor will give any credence to your theory that BDSM is "very unhealthy".  I agree that being domineering can be unhealthy within a relationship.
why are some woman more domineering?
I only know of one domineering female right now, and she is a vanilla neighbor.  I feel sorry for her because, as irritating as she is, she cannot see the big picture and step up to the plate as a dominant and be a good leader.  The need is there, but the ability is not. 
It is difficult to pinpoint why any person behaves in a specific way and often one is left to generalize based on individual beliefs, past experiences and misconceptions. If you are in a relationship with a woman who you believe is too dominant yet you want to continue the relationship, identifying the possible cause for her behavior may allow you to work on the relationship rather than running away.
I have seen vanilla women take over when it was necessary to have someone willing to take the job.  If the male aspires to more power in a relationship, then he needs to study and learn how to earn and hold a position of leadership, and inspire his mate to submit to him.  Visualizing a man pouting, stomping his foot in impotent rage over not being allowed to wear the pants in the family, then threatening to run away (maybe to mommy) makes me laugh.  My cats have no problem jockying for power...why should a human male who wants more power be...inept, compared with mere furbabies?
Traumatic Past
Behavior that we exhibit is often learned through previous experience or is a defense mechanism to protect us from falling prey to an abusive person. Understanding your partner’s past is important in identifying any trauma that may have molded her into the person you see today. From an abusive father to seeing an abused, submissive mother or even being in a relationship where she was abused by her previous partner, many dominant woman may not have exhibited this type of behavior all through their life. The trauma of their personal experiences may have triggered a pattern of behavior (conditioning) that translates into her dominating her partner even when she is not faced with the same abusive nature or trauma. It may be a way of protecting herself from ever being in the situation that she previously endured.
You are talking about victims becoming abusers, as if it is passed on...like being bitten by a werewolf.  It has been my experience that very few people do this...the survivors I've known tend to become more empathetic toward the (nonconsensual) suffering of others.  The only defense mechanism I have against being hurt again is a hair trigger on my fight or flight response.  If something feels wrong, I bolt.  Am I nonetheless a leader to some?  Yes.  Do I enjoy female led relationships?  Yes. 

Am I a monster because I enjoy it when someone chooses to suffer for me...I wrestled with that for a while and decided...no, I'm not.  What I do has nothing to do with trying to balance the scales, and everything to do with trust, adoration, and erotica.  Maybe this is a dance you will never understand, and I'm okay with that. 

By the way...I am left handed.  Long time ago, "experts" did all kinds of "studies" on it and decided that being left handed was wrong...and I spent a year in public school being forced to learn how to be right handed before they gave up.  Know what?  They were wrong.  There is nothing bad/abnormal about being left handed.  I am into D/s and BDSM.  Your "experts" did all kinds of "studies" on it and decided that being into BDSM is wrong...somehow I've learned to take the opinions on "experts" with a grain of salt.   




Now, about this...
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Women who say how strong you are is the same thing. You're turning off the healthy lions and attracting the desperate ones. Maybe you wear your strength on your sleeve.

I don't need to prove how strong I am...why don't you go break a lot of bones in your body, give birth (or grunt a canaloupe out your arse), go through cancer 4 times along with all the chemos and surgeries and then come to me to talk about strength.  I also raised a kid with early infantile autism all on my own and survived being in two national disasters.  Some of us have survived many things you have yet to experience so let's not go into that discussion about women being weak, fragile creatures that can only pretend to be strong.  (This was more in response to other things you said in different posts, and I don't want to do all that copying and pasting.) 

Since I "discovered" D/s and BDSM, I have learned how to tell the difference between healthy lions and desperate ones.  Experience is a great teacher and being almost buried alive under a pile of desperate wankers and do-me subs...teaches one to be a better judge of character. 

 
It is a shame that you see submissive males as desperate and unhealthy, but this theory of yours has nothing to do with the real life submissive males I have known.  Most have been alphas at work and around friends, workaholics and overachievers.  They submit because someone inspires them to and it feeds their soul, not because they are spineless.

If you still feel that BDSM is wrong, your opinion doesn't bother me.  If you are here to save people from themselves...well, good luck to you as long I don't start getting bored by this...

  

There.  You asked for opinions and I gave you mine...I am finished now and will not engage with you on this subject again. 

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 3:08:10 AM   
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De-pressed is another word for depression.

I spelt it that way as 'depression' is basically 'de-pressed' emotions.


In which language?

Foolican?

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 3:10:59 AM   
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I have a degree in psychology, i'm pretty sure I mentioned that, currently studying for a phd and numerous hours of experience with clients, although I find the best therapists strangely enough are the ones with little education and the ability to connect to their emotions.


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 3:24:10 AM   
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steve,

I'm sure that as a graduate in Psychology, especially one that is smart enough to pursue a Phd (did you mention the topic of your Thesis by the way?) you'd be aware that walking into a room full of kinksters and announcing that what they do is wrong is going to be met with a degree of scepticism.

Your hours of experience as a therapist will, I've no doubt, have taught you that interests and passions of more or less any kind can span an entire spectrum from "positively healthy to downright unhealthy". There are stamp collectors out there that need your help too, you know.

But I'm not here to bandy words with you about the healthiness or otherwise of the kinky lifestyle, I'm here to save you.

I want to save you from your addiction to trolling.

The indications of your hopeless addiction to trolling are all over this thread, but this particular post of yours really did move me :-



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ORIGINAL: steve2011

Take a look at almost every single reply here, all very defensive, which is what I was told would happen.

Whether you like it or not, you are no different to any other addict who's behaviour is pointed out to them.

If you are open minded enough, have a read about defensive behaviour when it comes to addictions, it's actually very interesting.

Here's a snippet to get you started.

Toodle pip.

People get defensive for a number of reasons. It could be that they are uncomfortable with the topic, their ego may be bruised, or they could just be used to abusive people taking advantage of them etc. Mostly though for what ever reason is at the base of it, they feel that they are under attack. For instance often individuals will get defensive even with criticism that is helpful, just because their ego is so fragile they can't except it, so they see it as an attack on the ego and then become defensive.


This is classic "acute trollism", and I want to reach out to you and give you a hug.

Trolls are usually suffering from appallingly low self esteem, and their willingness to pursue an absurd argument (often half-assed and unsubstantiated) is, in many senses, a cry for help.

Well, don't worry poppet! Daddy's here to help you!

Read more, look at some of these threads, look at the emphasis that is placed on nurturing, support, responsibility and ethics.

Look at the empassioned debates we have here about mental health, "where the boundaries are" and personal freedom.

Use these dialogues to help yourself understand the disconnect between your argument and reality. Then, grasshopper, confront your addition to trolling.


Whether you like it or not, you are no different to any other addict who's behaviour is pointed out to them.

If you are open minded enough, have a read about defensive behaviour when it comes to addictions, it's actually very interesting.

[Ed for the typo I noticed]

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 4:14:53 AM   
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Thanks Aquatic - had I realized this thread was back earlier, I might have posted very similarly as you did, and I wanted to let you know I appreciate the time and effort you took.






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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 12:25:31 PM   
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Wow,what a bitter troll, to come up with such shit


No. No. He's right. BDSM is wrong. It's very wrong and you've been bad. Very very bad. Obviously you need to be punished!



*snort* nice try

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(Also, I , too, would like a Cadbury egg, but that's off-topic.)


AND the wrong place, as "I" can't stand Cadbury

< Message edited by Phoenixpower -- 1/11/2011 12:26:19 PM >


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 12:28:57 PM   
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If BDSM is so 'wrong' then what are you doing on a BDSM site? What are you going to find on a BDSM site? Well, why do you think they call it a BDSM site?



He is trying to get his kink in online-domination

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 12:47:49 PM   
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As for male dominants, to me there just weak males, all women (and i mean all) want a strong man to protect them, if they we're genuinely strong they wouldnt be on here



Why are you on here as a male dominant?
All women might want a strong man to "protect" them when they are backed up in a dark alley with a thug ......

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 12:50:33 PM   
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As for male dominants, to me there just weak males, all women (and i mean all) want a strong man to protect them,
if they we're genuinely strong they wouldnt be on here

Why are you on here as a male dominant?
All women might want a strong man to "protect" them when they are backed up in a dark alley with a thug ......


gosh steve, go better back to your psychology books, either you truly havent got a clue or the view that folks who studied psychology are serious nutcases is true, I let you chose which one you are


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