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WyldHrt -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 6:37:41 PM)
quote: You could not really leave women in around straight male troops. They would go wild- have sex- and this could effect morale. Kinda of funny, coming from you, PA. You do realize that the same argument is often used by those who oppose gay males in the military, right?? [8\|]

pahunkboy -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 6:44:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: You could not really leave women in around straight male troops. They would go wild- have sex- and this could effect morale. Kinda of funny, coming from you, PA. You do realize that the same argument is often used by those who oppose gay males in the military, right?? [8\|] except there are maybe 10x more straight men/women- which means the opportunities are endless. 10x the chances. // ;-)

WyldHrt -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 6:49:48 PM)
quote: except there are maybe 10x more straight men/women- which means the opportunities are endless. 10x the chances. // ;-) Watches the point fly right over PA's noggin. Yeah, go with that, big boy.

pahunkboy -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 6:53:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: except there are maybe 10x more straight men/women- which means the opportunities are endless. 10x the chances. // ;-) Watches the point fly right over PA's noggin. Yeah, go with that, big boy. ...consider tho how heterosexuals love sex? I mean- the hetero male. He eats, drinks and sleeps sex!

Hillwilliam -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 7:01:37 PM)
Damn, Y'all had entirely too much fun while I was WORKING.

FullCircle -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 7:05:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy except there are maybe 10x more straight men/women- which means the opportunities are endless. 10x the chances. Not if they are monogamous, the laws of monogamy state that opportunity is not proportional to population size. Ahem, the laws of monogamy are similar to the Newtonian laws of motion(s) but there are less of them.

hlen5 -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 8:15:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LPs Clip, Thanks for a great response amongst the flotsam. Stay as safe as you can and renewed thanks! Ditto!!

hlen5 -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 8:17:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy ......You could not really leave women in around straight male troops. They would go wild- have sex- and this could effect morale. I don't know about you, but it usually improves my morale!!

Hillwilliam -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 8:24:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: You could not really leave women in around straight male troops. They would go wild- have sex- and this could effect morale. Kinda of funny, coming from you, PA. You do realize that the same argument is often used by those who oppose gay males in the military, right?? [8\|] except there are maybe 10x more straight men/women- which means the opportunities are endless. 10x the chances. // ;-) SERIOUSLY, hunky, what would you know about straight men? [:D]

WyldHrt -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 8:36:01 PM)
quote: SERIOUSLY, hunky, what would you know about straight men? [:D] About as much as he knows about straight women, apparently [;)]

LadyNTrainer -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/14/2011 11:30:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys What a riot. I love it when women talk about getting viscous. Er, yes, that's how porn generally works. But that isn't the topic here. quote: I don't think you have clue one about being savage. Only one who is utterly unacquainted with my habits could possibly say that with a straight face. The folks who do know me are doubtless having a very good giggle.

Jaybeee -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 12:23:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: And yet over 90% of combat pilots, gunners etc are male. Do you actually think women couldn't fly a plane? Ratio of male to female motorists: Almost 1-1. Ratio of male to female rally drivers: 100-1. Propensity, not ability.

kalikshama -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 3:24:42 AM)
quote: You could not really leave women in around straight male troops. They would go wild- have sex- and this could effect morale. When one of the men at my first unit heard they were getting me, he had a "ewww, girl" attitude. A few months later we were married, which lasted 14 years.

Kaliko -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 3:59:12 AM)
I believe the practice of no women in certain military situations has less to do with physical limitations than the brotherhood and trust that is vital in combat and special forces activities. Essentially, our boys really can't have anything fucking up their headspace. I don't mean to say that they're not strong-willed enough to keep it in their pants if there is a woman around in a highly stressful situation. I mean that a woman is not a man, and that bond the the Army works so hard to forge among their soldiers is not going to work the same way with women as with men. Just the fact that woman want to be part of it is case in point. And yes, same with gays in the military. So it's not just a matter of allowing women to serve in certain roles. What goes along with that is the need for the Army to readjust their longtime protocol of how those bonds are forged among their men. This is not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's easy for us to say "Heck, yes, let women fight if they want to" but it's just simply not as easy as opening a door. Personally, I'm all for letting anyone do anything they like as far as equality of gender goes. But there are sometimes, and this is one of them, when I as an American will gladly defer whatever rights to equality I think I have to the better judgment of our military leaders. They know far more than any of us do about the current state of the Army and how to best fight our enemies.

kalikshama -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 4:16:44 AM)
This is the same lame argument that was used to attempt to keep men of color out of the military. FAIL FAIL FAIL.

Kaliko -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 4:22:40 AM)
Well, as I said, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for the Army to change its ways. It will have to happen - that is simply how the world is moving and they will have to as well. I was saying that I don't think it has to do with physical strength. The Army will have to fundamentally change, which simply can't be accomplished overnight.

RapierFugue -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 4:34:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko Well, as I said, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for the Army to change its ways. It will have to happen - that is simply how the world is moving and they will have to as well. I was saying that I don't think it has to do with physical strength. The Army will have to fundamentally change, which simply can't be accomplished overnight. I pretty much agree with that - it isn't about the strength, or the ability, or the capacity to pass the training - it's about the culture surrounding the adoption of the concept. And we are, as a society, moving closer to accepting it almost daily - I don't think, for example, that there's any doubt we're closer to the end product than we were, say, even 50 years ago.

Jaybeee -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 5:40:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko Well, as I said, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for the Army to change its ways. It will have to happen - that is simply how the world is moving and they will have to as well. I was saying that I don't think it has to do with physical strength. The Army will have to fundamentally change, which simply can't be accomplished overnight. As long as that change continues to move the troops AWAY from mainstream soceity, that's progress. Which is why the troops are confined to prancing around some derelict town like Wootton Bassett, and don't march down Trafalgar Square; they'd be flash-lynched.

GreedyTop -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 6:13:53 AM)
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Icarys -> RE: Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms (1/15/2011 9:26:07 AM)
quote: Yes? And? I'm English, we're writing English. No kidding....

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