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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/17/2011 5:27:14 AM   
barelynangel


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Arturas, i never mentioned your name at all.  There are many people who try and do that to new people, you are just one of the few.   I was commenting on the concept because i think its a silly thing.  Always have.  I am sure you would be able to find other posts of mine that say the same thing over the YEARS.  So while you may have delusions that everything is about you in this forum, i hate to break it to you -- my posts are based on a topic not a person.

Umm, Arturas, sighs i will say it again, i don't KNOW star, and never did until she started running around the Gorean forum as Tammy what is it now a year ago and causing all types of BS and then you followed her here and continued the BS and now this forum is pretty much a circus everytime you post.  I really don't get your fixation or stars with me.  But its creepy.  Also, i never got kicked out of these messages boards - not sure where you got that idea.  I was monitored once in all the years i was here for calling hoplessfool  by the second part of her name making a point when she would shorten my name and she went whining to Mod11, but unless star/tammy or whatever her name is was hopelessfool -- sorry you have wrong information.  Outside of that one time, ii have had a pretty straight appearance on the message boards - of course with slaps now and then from the mods.   I can't speak for star as i don't know her, but she would have had to do some pretty crazy stuff to get kicked off the boards even when mod11 was around.  She really got kicked OFF the boards? 

So here's a suggestion, get over yourself Arturas, while i don't like you, i think you are a joke -- this is a discussion board and if i see something i wish to comment on -- i do.  As a reflection of that i have over 5000 posts on these boards and well the majority are made here in this forum LONG before you decided to make this forum into a continued circus everytime you post. 

If you aren't able to take posts as discussing a TOPIC, then yu may wish to leave the message boards until you can be more objective.   Just a suggestion. 


angel

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 2/17/2011 5:35:08 AM >


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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/17/2011 5:46:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Arturas, i never mentioned your name at all.

True, but things work out for the best.

K.

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/17/2011 9:20:03 AM   
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And with that, let's get back to the topic please. Thank you.



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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 6:00:54 AM   
Hiskajirah


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Greetings Master Arturas

Honestly it's hard for me to believe that a slave or kajira of just a year and a Gorean Master of about the same time to be able to teach a new girl the same way a veteran Gorean can or a kajira of many years.

I'm going by both yours and stars words in posts a year back where you both confessed to being Gorean for only a few days at that point.

I'm not here to put you down or your girl. I just don't think a new girl should be swayed or taught by someone still reletively new.

I think the girl should seek out and speak to several men if they allow her to approach them. While I realize you invited her, she can also politely go to others as well. They won't bite her head off if respectful and most will also welcome to teach her.

What many won't do is do her homework for her or give her a Gor lite lesson or even a cheat sheet that might enable her to become an over night kajira.

To answer your questions..

1) How many read books are enough to become a good Gorean? All of them. Cannot have a shared philosophy without doing so. How can this philosophy be shared without the reading and examination of the stories?

2) Are there Goreans who have not even read the books? Perhaps.

3) Is it really true that how one interacts with others in the CM Gorean Forums really gives one a good honest picture of who they are? No.

What do you do if the picture on the Fetlife forums is different? While I'm a member of Fetlife, I'm not even close to a frequent flyer. I posted last month, which was the first time in several months. It's just another adult forum to me. No better just a different atmosphere.

4) If you want to know what it is like as a kajira would you contact a kajira? Yes. I would suggest the new girl watch over the forum for those kajira who live their lives as an offline kajira and who has done so for a minimum of 5 years. Who have also read the books and at least the majority of them.

How do you know one? By listening and learning, taking the time and not rushing into anything, she will know soon enough who's a kajira, who's not quite there yet (other than title) and who's not.

Is the litmus test that they are actually serving a Gorean and that they live it? It's my humble opinion that those living as Gorean for only a year or so isn't and cannot be fully qualifed to lead a new girl. Same with when I was a new girl I could not teach another new girl. I could share experiences, off what I did learn and know, but not teach properly since it can take years. And while a slave might assist a slave it will be the Master that will teach her his way. It sometimes takes decades or more for a man to master himself.


Just my thoughts,
I wish you well,
~twinkle

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 7:59:40 AM   
Arturas


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Greetings kajira Hiskajirah,

quote:

Honestly it's hard for me to believe that a slave or kajira of just a year and a Gorean Master of about the same time to be able to teach a new girl the same way a veteran Gorean can or a kajira of many years.


You are mistaken, I'm a Gorean of as many years as anyone else here and more than most. I remember in 2005 when angel was still posting long and beautiful poems about her perceived life of a kajira here on CM, my first Gorean contact was with kimber[slayer] and she got me started and taught me much; she is a real time kajira of Tom. I was reading the books when they were still expensive and hard to find.

Your master should discpline you for being so loose with the facts. Never make such statements without knowing your facts.


quote:

I'm going by both yours and stars words in posts a year back where you both confessed to being Gorean for only a few days at that point.


See my frist answer.

quote:

It's my humble opinion that those living as Gorean for only a year or so isn't and cannot be fully qualifed to lead a new girl. Same with when I was a new girl I could not teach another new girl.


The arrogance and of a kajira who has no way of knowing in suggesting I am a new Gorean or suggesting that I even said star will "teach another girl" and presenting it as a fact is over the top, a cheap "snark attack" and not to be tolerated by me or your master.

Have him contact me directly via Cmail.


Arturas

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 8:41:35 AM   
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I believe the posts have gone off topic, and should likely be handled via CMail. the mods have had to come in too much to remove posts and such lately, and no reason to bother them again.

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 10:17:11 AM   
Hiskajirah


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Greetings Master Arturas

You said "Have him contact me directly via Cmail".

I cannot make such commands of my Master. Though I will share this with him and he can decide.

Just because you were online in 1995 doesn't mean you were Gorean. None one else to my knowledge has verified that, so how am I to know other than to go by what you and your slave has shared here? You said to get my facts straight. In the thread "choosing to be a slave" tammy said "IM not gorean!" She also stated you had only Gorean underpinnings not that you were Gorean. This was repeated more than once.

This is not my fault. Those are not my words.

My Master should discipline me for going by the "facts" at hand?

You said "The arrogance and of a kajira who has no way of knowing in suggesting I am a new Gorean or suggesting that I even said star will "teach another girl" and presenting it as a fact is over the top, a cheap "snark attack" and not to be tolerated by me or your master. "

My answer was based on your question "If you want to know what it is like as a kajira would you contact a kajira?" and this "I like your honest interest and so I would have kajira star correspond if you write her and you feel that would be helpful. She would enjoy it also."

Corresponding with another girl is often teaching. It's an exchange of your girl sharing her own experiences and offering insight. This is teaching. I'm sorry you were offended by the word teaching. Private messaging a new girl is a form of influence directly or indirectly and that can very much be taken as fact. The new girl will feel as though she's being taught.

I was being polite and you didn't like my answers to your questions. I gave the respect of answering them.

May I ask.. why in the world would you think my Master would discipline me for answering honestly questions posed directly to me when you refused to punish your own slave for disrespecting nearly every Master and Mistress here? Bad mouthing over and over again. I did not bad mouth you in my reply.


I wish you well,
~twinkle

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 10:25:17 AM   
Malkinius


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Tal and greetings all....

This is the first post of those I have been catching up on that I felt an need to reply to. Almost all of the others I have already said, usually several times, what I would say about them in earlier versions of the same questions.

Ainye....pay close attention to what Angel said and ignore what some others have said. Do your research. Do it first and consider it part of learning about the field. When you study what people have said about it you will learn from them. In most cases, the more you can find out what someone has said about a topic the more likely they are to know something about the topic. But...don't take their word for it. Keep reading and see what others say about their posts. Do they keep saying, Yah...what he said," or are they talking about picking up bovine feces and cutting off their supply of people responding to them so that hopefully they will go away and stay away? Obviously the former is the one you want to pay the most attention to. Search them using google and the other search engines. The more hits you find, especially over years, not days or weeks, says a lot about their reality and staying power. Pay attention to what you read and search clues and information you find to verify it and to find more things about the person. Yes, they can be a real idiot who has been around for years. <grins> However, once again pay attention to what they say and what others say about them as well as what they do or claim to do. Good owners and trainers do this with prospective slaves and smart slaves and subs should do it with prospectives Masters and Doms. Do your homework and you will come out ahead of most.

Yes, when it comes to being Gorean you do need to read the books. You do not need to read all of them. For many years the books stopped with number 25, Magicians of Gor. Are people who were considered Gorean then no longer Gorean because they have not yet read Witness, Prize, Kur or Swordsman? No, I don't believe so. However, they are no longer as knowledgeable about things Gorean as they once were. The field has grown as more books have been published in the last few years. This would make an excellent topic in its own right and I may start it.

If you want to learn about being Gorean from people who live it, pay no attention to people for whom being Gorean is something they do online. Look for proof they are known to the offline Gorean community. Yes, there are people who meet people off line and there exist chains of meeting other people so people can be vouched for even if any given two have never met. The more someone is known as an offline Gorean as opposed to what they do in BDSM the more likely they will be able to give you good information. Lastly, look for people who have done, and can prove it preferably with reference you can contact, done what you want to do. That means they have owned and/or trained slaves. They have been a slave to one or more owners. There are a few, usually female, who have done both.

One last thought. If you want to learn without commitment, find someone to teach who is not someone you want as a potential owner and/or who does not want you. That reduces a lot of tension and feelings that build up between a Master and a slave or a trainer and a student. Stick to what you are trying to learn and become and don't let someone move you too far off course. A good teacher will broaden what you are looking at, not reduce it to just whatever they want to talk about, which usually turns into sex and/or pain play.

So...do your research....ask various people about what they know and whom to ask for more information. We like helping people learn and grow. OK...we like a few other things too. <grins> Mostly we like to live and enjoy our lives.

Be well....

Malkinius

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 2:50:16 PM   
barelynangel


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Arturas unless you get you facts correct do not use me name in your posts to others. You can fabricate all you wish but this bs of using my name is done. You obsession is creepy. Again I dont respect you and fabricating bs about me is getting old. Are you really this pathetic?

I have tried to discuss topics but you keep desperately trying to make this personal. Be a man ok?

Angel

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 4:38:26 PM   
Arturas


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hiskajirah

Greetings Master Arturas

You said "Have him contact me directly via Cmail".

I cannot make such commands of my Master. Though I will share this with him and he can decide.

Just because you were online in 1995 doesn't mean you were Gorean. None one else to my knowledge has verified that, so how am I to know other than to go by what you and your slave has shared here? You said to get my facts straight. In the thread "choosing to be a slave" tammy said "IM not gorean!" She also stated you had only Gorean underpinnings not that you were Gorean. This was repeated more than once.

This is not my fault. Those are not my words.

My Master should discipline me for going by the "facts" at hand?

You said "The arrogance and of a kajira who has no way of knowing in suggesting I am a new Gorean or suggesting that I even said star will "teach another girl" and presenting it as a fact is over the top, a cheap "snark attack" and not to be tolerated by me or your master. "

My answer was based on your question "If you want to know what it is like as a kajira would you contact a kajira?" and this "I like your honest interest and so I would have kajira star correspond if you write her and you feel that would be helpful. She would enjoy it also."

Corresponding with another girl is often teaching. It's an exchange of your girl sharing her own experiences and offering insight. This is teaching. I'm sorry you were offended by the word teaching. Private messaging a new girl is a form of influence directly or indirectly and that can very much be taken as fact. The new girl will feel as though she's being taught.

I was being polite and you didn't like my answers to your questions. I gave the respect of answering them.

May I ask.. why in the world would you think my Master would discipline me for answering honestly questions posed directly to me when you refused to punish your own slave for disrespecting nearly every Master and Mistress here? Bad mouthing over and over again. I did not bad mouth you in my reply.


I wish you well,
~twinkle


Greetings "twinkle"

You have no justification for saying I've been a Gorean for a year or less yet you use that statement to somehow justify degrading my simple offer to the OP. You seem to think I somehow must prove to all including you that I've been a Gorean long enough to make a friendly offer to a newby for social contact with another girl who lives this life. I don't have to prove I've been a Gorean for over a year to you or anyone else. Instead, you have to prove I have not been since you made the statements, used this justification to degrade me and my house and went down this path for no good reason. It's just that simple, More like words from you do not make the earlier words smell any better which why I've done the only thing left to do, address someone responsible.

Produce your master or do not address me again. As far a disrepecting Gorean free, each kajira goes through a learning process and I don't answer to you for her; she has been dealt with by her master. You, however answer to your master and I would speak to him and I do not need to speak to you again of this.

Arturas

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 4:42:54 PM   
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I think that anyone, from the OP to a casual lurker, could search your posting history and twinkles posting history, and have no problem what so ever determining who actually lives what they preach and who would be more likely to offer advice that would be wisely taken to heart.

To the OP....good luck as you search for your bliss in life.

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 5:16:36 PM   
barelynangel


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OP, i am sorry this thread has become a fiasco.  You will find this form is full of insightful information but sometimes you have to find it.  You have my advice as to how to gain knowledge  of what living Gorean is and what's sad is there are many more who could give you more understanding as many more live Gorean and some even with slaves but they pretty much stopped posting over the past year.  This forum has great archives of great discussions if you are interested. 

Good luck, angel

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RE: A polite question from someone who is curious - 2/18/2011 5:28:48 PM   
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FR

I don't often have to post on threads in this forum, let alone twice on the same thread. Perhaps a bit more self-restraint, and less defensive posting, is in order.


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