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The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/16/2011 8:25:57 PM   
Arturas


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Gorean slaves. The kajirae. They regularly show up in the Sagas on almost every page. Does this make them one of the "stars" of the Sagas? Would we even read the Sagas without them? I mean, no one can deny they appear on almost every page and now appear on each of the new printing covers. So, they must play a starring role in the Gorean Saga, right?


Do you think kajirae are in starring Saga roles? Why or why not and in any event why does Norman even use them so much, could he not have explained his philosophy without using kajirae? If not, why not?

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/17/2011 6:43:30 AM   
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No one would read a book that is dedicated to Wuji.  Nothing happens.

It is the discernment of the yin and yang that creates and finds an interest.

Certainly they extend a man's reach.

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/17/2011 12:43:07 PM   
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No one would read a book that is dedicated to Wuji.  Nothing happens.

It is the discernment of the yin and yang that creates and finds an interest.

Certainly they extend a man's reach.



So you believe sex sells the books, the kajirae provide stimulating contrast in selling Norman's philosophy (and books) and men feel empowered by the thought of the "delicious" slave girl "fully at the feet of a man"?

I may have missed a yin or two, correct me if I am wrong.

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/17/2011 1:40:46 PM   
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No, in life anything we do, we will deal with our environs. That is, in a book, it would not be untoward to describe someone using a frying pan, or a hammer or that the grass was green, central to our existence. 

You would expect the book Slavegirl of Gor to contain many references to slaves.  

Priest Kings of Gor didn't have page after page of the interactions of slaves, and Assassins of Gor about the same, although  alot more bar action, so to speak of paga slaves working would be about the level of waitresses in an Al Capone biography, hardly what I could gather up enough to call stars. 

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/17/2011 11:08:58 PM   
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Bravo me ol' China! 

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/18/2011 6:37:19 PM   
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No, in life anything we do, we will deal with our environs. That is, in a book, it would not be untoward to describe someone using a frying pan, or a hammer or that the grass was green, central to our existence. 

You would expect the book Slavegirl of Gor to contain many references to slaves.  

Priest Kings of Gor didn't have page after page of the interactions of slaves, and Assassins of Gor about the same, although  alot more bar action, so to speak of paga slaves working would be about the level of waitresses in an Al Capone biography, hardly what I could gather up enough to call stars. 



You would expect the book Slavegirl of Gor to contain many references to slaves, I agree. Priest Kings is not that way, I agree.

But your examples represent too small a sample.

The early books do have less mention of slaves. However, that is not true for most of the books especially the later books. Norman was being careful in the earlier days but with confidence he used slaves almost without limit in most of the latter books, say about book 6 or 7 and greater.

In contrast to your example Priest Kings of Gor, book two, look at instead Beasts of Gor book 12, you might expect it to contain many references to Beasts and it does if you count the "beasts" that were men, but it contains many more references to slaves; you can hardly turn a page without seeing the word "slave" or "kajira" or "girl" in that context.

Take Hunters of Gor book 8, many hunters for sure but slaves on almost every page.

Take Savages of Gor book 17, lots and lots of slave action there with slave tendons severed and new Earth girl slaves being trained and on and one and btw war scenes and conversons of the "Sames", the Sames are men and women who go from nothing to true men and women using, you guessed it, a little help from a slave girl and things get stimulated well enough to trigger changed lives

Kinda like real life. Maybe that is the answer.


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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/18/2011 8:17:20 PM   
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This is going to anger some people:

Without the slave girls the entire saga would be a poor man's Barsoom.

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/18/2011 8:47:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

This is going to anger some people:

Without the slave girls the entire saga would be a poor man's Barsoom.

Why should it anger anyone? It's only your opinion.

K.

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/18/2011 8:54:04 PM   
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This is going to anger some people:

Without the slave girls the entire saga would be a poor man's Barsoom.



Without a well trained slave girl any man's life can be poorer indeed.


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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/19/2011 3:05:57 AM   
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Do you think kajirae are in starring Saga roles? Why or why not and in any event why does Norman even use them so much, could he not have explained his philosophy without using kajirae? If not, why not?




No more than the hook is the star in catching the fish. A tool that makes the task easier but can be done without it as well but you probably won't catch as many. In my opinion, that is especially true later in the series. If you are going to fish and throw it back.. if it's just a sport.. no harm, no foul but if you want to take that fish home, cook it, digest it and have it be a part of you.. well, once you have the fish, what need for the hook?

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/19/2011 6:59:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

This is going to anger some people:

Without the slave girls the entire saga would be a poor man's Barsoom.




No anger here!

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/19/2011 7:10:21 PM   
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lol did you move house or something? I thought you named your house after yourself.

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RE: The minor subject of Gorean Slavery - 2/19/2011 8:00:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
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lol did you move house or something? I thought you named your house after yourself.



Oops, I started answering that question and then realized this was not the "Gorean house" thread and perhaps off topic.
Why don't you email me and I will let you in on some history of The House of Avalon.

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