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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 9:37:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Arturas
My use of "Star" for her is not because her middle name happened to also be "Star".I used it because she is the star of my personal Saga. Naturally, her mother was right.

Life must be hard when folks forget previous explanations they gave about their created names, considering it was explained previously that way on here:

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Anyway, I named her. Not she.
Awww...did you really?

Try it again. Tammy joined looong before she invented...er...met you (2006), under the user ID of tammySTARm.

That is the best you can do on a Friday night? Argue that I made up her name kajirastar from tammySTARm?
Ok...have fun.

Popcorn anyone?

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 12:51:59 PM

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Art/Tammy: Things are as they should be, family all well and accounted for, now to tackle this question, since you asked and I don't like loose ends.

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Ok, my turn for questions you should live to answer...

Why do you think I should tolerate people taking cheap snark shots at mine? What man would? What men have you been associating with that leads you to think I would? Why do you think such things are something I must "listen to". Why do you think that is something you call "testing". Don't go spinning crap into honey. They called her a Liar online. Violating TOS and lacking basic human civility. I don't lower my standards just because I am online and don't put up with it. And why do you think your one page dress down on me for talking about the love in my life is right? I cannot help it that you do not have someone online here talking so about you. I have a fix for that, a good start and for once you need to listen to someone: Take your nonsense offline, throw it into the crapper and flush twice to make sure it is all where it should be, take a deep breath, brush your hair, dress up, get your nails done and go out on the town with a guy, all night, and then write him in the morning about how you feel

1. Ok, my turn for questions you should live to answer.

Sorry Art, or in this case Im thinking Tammy... I don't live for anyone online.

2. Why do you think I should tolerate people taking cheap snark shots at mine? What man would?  What men have you been associating with that leads you to think I would?

Tammy leaves herself open for those cheap "snark" shots...(this is why I think it's a female writing, not many men I know would express themselves this way.) Most men I know don't get their panties in a twist over what is typed online.   The fact you are riding in like the proverbial "white knight"....doesn't happen among the men I know.

3. Why do you think such things are something I must "listen to". Why do you think that is something you call "testing

Frankly, listen, or not, it's up to you as a self proclaimed gorean man.   Until you share a roof with me, how you react, or live is really not critical to my well being. Testing, in this medium is just that. People ask questions, probe and try to find out who you are, what makes you tick. You came into this forum and shouted that you were a gorean man, so others wanted to give your merit a test.   Words are all we have online.   It's a starting base, from there, perhaps offline interaction can flourish.

4. They called her a Liar online. Violating TOS and lacking basic human civility

Oh, boo hoo. Things were said, online, by whomever was using the nick at the time, and people felt there were some untruths.   I am not the keeper of all things said, but if you have proof that can show otherwise...why not contest it?   If it doesn't mean that much, then why bring it up now? I have noticed in the few posts I have read by either Arturas or Tammy, a few items that where contradicting, at least.
As for the TOS, you have both done your fair share of violating.

5. Take your nonsense offline, throw it into the crapper and flush twice to make sure it is all where it should be, take a deep breath, brush your hair, dress up, get your nails done and go out on the town with a guy, all night, and then write him in the morning about how you feel.

Um. Not sure my husband would be ok with your dimestore novel solution to my "problem". Usually, after a night on the town and frivolities that follow...I just turn to him in bed and tell him how I feel.   I'll ask if he would rather I write him a letter.

As usual, you missed my entire point for writing.   It wasn't a "dress down".   At that moment in my life I felt sorry for you, and thought that if someone took the time to explain details, maybe things would progress in a different fashion.   I see now that it was a mistake, ( I did say I might live to regret it, and I am).

Ok, you can now return to the "everyone is picking on me and mine" show, but I am changing channels. Enjoy :)

Lisa

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 1:32:39 PM

Ishtarr

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Why do you think I should tolerate people taking cheap snark shots at mine? What man would?

What man pisses and moans and whines online about other people taking cheap snark shots at his girl friend, when he himself doesn't do anything else but childishly attack people based on lies and nasty comments he makes up about their pictures.

You've taken more shallow and petty cheap shots addressed at other people here than can even be remotely said about the shots taken at your girl friend...

If you want to be half the man you claim you are, I'd suggest you'd start by discontinuing your whining about other people doing the very things you do best and most often on this board.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 2:47:37 PM

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Greetings Mistress Lisa

It's still all about tammy

girl in bubble bath reading Gor book...

Gosh

This one wishes you most well, Mistress,
~twinkle

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 5:58:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hiskajirah

It's still all about tammy girl in bubble bath reading Gor book... Gosh

Well, now, in all fairness, that's only because he's a Master Man.

But I digress....

In this (i.e., my) Gorean house, I rule. I determine what will be served for meals, when, and where; what recreational activities are acceptable; what entertainments will be enjoyed; in short, pretty much everything. But I do listen, take into account what I hear, and am kind within the limits I set. This works out well for both our sakes, because my cat isn't declawed.

K.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 7:13:24 PM

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Upside-down Gor book. Now that takes talent to read upside-down and from right to left.

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ORIGINAL: Hiskajirah

girl in bubble bath reading Gor book...

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 7:24:35 PM

Ishtarr

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Upside-down Gor book. Now that takes talent to read upside-down and from right to left.

Don't you know that claiming that other people's pictures are false isn't something you are allowed to do when you've got actual proof, Orion?

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 7:33:11 PM

Kirata

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Upside-down Gor book. Now that takes talent to read upside-down and from right to left.

That's the Ballantine edition of Tarnsman. It's not upside down, but it is left-right reversed (compare below).

Obviously the person who created the avatar wasn't familiar enough with the books to catch the error.

In other news, the sky is still blue.

K.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 7:57:10 PM

Dinnardin

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Upside-down Gor book. Now that takes talent to read upside-down and from right to left.

That's the Ballantine edition of Tarnsman. It's not upside down, but it is left-right reversed (compare below).

Obviously the person who created the avatar wasn't familiar enough with the books to catch the error.

In other news, the sky is still blue.

K.

You have to forgive artie the slave-boy....all of his copies of the books are the originals....hand-written...in pink crayon

John, AKA Dinnardin

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 8:15:51 PM

Hiskajirah

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Greetings Master

Oh Master... you made a girls belly flutter with giggles at Master Man.

Wishing you a pleasant evening,
~twinkle

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Hiskajirah

It's still all about tammy girl in bubble bath reading Gor book... Gosh

Well, now, in all fairness, that's only because he's a Master Man.

But I digress....

In this (i.e., my) Gorean house, I rule. I determine what will be served for meals, when, and where; what recreational activities are acceptable; what entertainments will be enjoyed; in short, pretty much everything. But I do listen, take into account what I hear, and am kind within the limits I set. This works out well for both our sakes, because my cat isn't declawed.

K.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 8:52:49 PM

Hiskajirah

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Greetings Master

It just seems that the slaves are constantly being reminded they aren't tammy. As if we're something less. And this time because she's got a book in her hand. Those books have been in my hands so many times, but I sure didn't need to beg my Master to snap a pic for profile to try to prove to the masses I really was reading.

Wishing you a peaceful evening
~Twinkle

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Upside-down Gor book. Now that takes talent to read upside-down and from right to left.

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ORIGINAL: Hiskajirah

girl in bubble bath reading Gor book...

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/12/2011 9:12:55 PM

Hiskajirah

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Greetings Master's
Greetings Mistresses
Greetings slaves

Gorean Houses, What of ours...

In regards to Gorean houses, my Master's home is content. He's head of household in all ways. He makes the money I make the news. ~grins. My collar is worn at all times. Cannot even be removed without a allen wrench. We do not hide anything from our children. The girls grew up knowing that it was my place to defer. Our teenage son is also very aware and has been brought up to be a man. He's very much in tune. While some may not like this there have been times I have deferred to him. I remember when the girls were younger they sometimes hated it when they asked for something, to go somewhere, to have a few dollars etc and I couldn't give it without permission from their father.

I've never had to hide the word Master from our children or any other. Not family, or friends. I am not required to address him as Master every moment of the day, but I rarely speak his actual name. I cook and clean and he will also from time to time.

I rarely kneel, I sit at his feet either on the floor at the edge of the sofa or on the sofa. When he reclines on the couch he lays sideways and I'm at the end of his feet. Sometimes with his feet on me.

I take his calls. I say "may I ask who's calling?" and if they don't answer me, I'm required to tell them he will not respond without an answer. They often say they will call back since he's not available, but they still won't get him if they don't answer.

Why is this? He doesn't want to be bothered by rediculous telemarketers and sales persons. If it's important he'll take the call.

I am allowed to choose what's for dinner, but that is because I've been his so very long. There's nothing here he doesn't like. All the food is bought to his liking and satisfaction. From time to time he'll ask for something different. But there's no punishment on my part for what I would have made.

Our son takes out the trash and is responsible for the side yard work. I am very aware of what would get me punished. We do not participate in BDSM activities. I get tossed and tumbled per his pleasure. Whatever goes goes there's just no classification for it. It's just sex.

I'm also given rest times. My chores are paced. He's not interested in a second girl at this time. When guests come over I serve the men as well. Even the women often enough.

Not exactly sure what a Gorean house is suppose to be but in my Master's home and surroundings who we are is not hidden from any nor is it flaunted for attention.

I wish the Master's most well
I wish the Free Women very well
I wish the slaves well

~twinkle

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/13/2011 9:40:54 AM

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Ah, my bad. Apologies for getting it incorrect.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/13/2011 11:48:45 AM

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Obviously the person who created the avatar wasn't familiar enough with the books to catch the error.

In other news, the sky is still blue.

K.

My eyes are not as sharp as I would like them to be....does anyone else see a bottle of alchohol? First glimpse, I'm thinking whiskey?

Lisa

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/18/2011 10:11:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa
From day one, you have been asked some pretty straightforward questions, your reply to almost every one, was to point at Tammy. Everything in your life, revolving around Gor, points in her direction. I can't recall once, that you took a moment and gave us "Art's" view on being a male, or being gorean, that didn't circle back to Tammy.

It's stunningly ironic, but this strikes me as somewhat uxorious.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/18/2011 11:08:23 PM

AlwaysLisa

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Well, theres a word for ya! I'll admit it, had to drag out the ol Websters for that one. :)

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 3/19/2011 4:02:20 AM

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I ran into it decades ago. At the time, I was stunned by the concept. Over the years, I came to realise just how true it could be and how foolish and weak it is.

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RE: Gorean Houses, what of yours? - 4/18/2011 1:50:07 PM

nephandi

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Greetings

I am going to give this a go to, and please understand that my post is not meant to dress you down or insult you, it is more meant as an explanation as to why many react to you and star.

Now you have on interpretation of the Gor books and how the Gorean lifestyle should be lived, you choose to focus from that I have understood from your posts almost exclusively on the romance part of the books and that is fine. However what you seam to fail to grasp is that it is your view which is unusual, not the rest. You see that the whole point of being Gorean is the power dynamic between a Master and his slave, now I can disagree with you on that but I have nothing against your view, however it differs allot from the norm when it comes to what most Goreans see as living a Gorean lifestyle, therefore it is rather infuriating when you act like you are right and everyone else is wrong. There is a joke in Norway, it go about something like this. A company of soldiers where marching down the road when the corporal turns and glares at one of his men. "What is this?" The corporal demands, "Why are you marching out of tune with the rest?" The soldier get upset and answers back. "But Sir, I am the only one marching correctly, everyone else is out of tune with me." Now it is easy from your posts to get the feeling that you are like that soldier, demanding that everyone drop their ideas of what living as a Gorean means and marching by your tune instead, and off course that angers allot of people.

Now I can sympathize with your situation. Aswad and me are what he like to call progressive Goreans, meaning we are inspired by the Gor books but we do not necessarily follow the norm of the lifestyle in every way shape and form. Several times other Goreans have looked at us and said, no I do not recognize that as Gorean. For example, I am a dedicated occultist, when I was 10 years old I made a vow to myself to follow the path of occultism and dedicate my life to it. My first and formost priority is this path. Now I was Aswad's slave for quite some time, but not unconditionally. I obeyed, I served and I felt the burning in my bellow to be under his discipline, but my occult studies did always come first, if our relationship got in the way of those studies I would have to leave. Aswad knew this when he enslaved me, and he was fine with it, especially since he sees me following the path of an occultist as a way to increase my worth, however many other Goreans said. No Anja, that makes you a submissive not a slave, and most certainly not a Kajira, others would say, you are Aswad's free companion, not his slave since your first priority is not him and can not be him. Perhaps they where right since I am my love's free companion now, however back then such comments hurt as I saw myself as a Gorean slave, and Aswad saw me as his slave and himself as Gorean.

Now however me and Aswad continued our life as we saw fit, but we also had to admit that the way we choose to do things where different than the norm. I could not go ballistic and throw insults left and right towards those who expressed that the slavery Aswad held me in could not be considered Gorean by their standards. I had to accept that my views where different than the norm, and I think that if you and star is to get better treatment on this forum then you have to do the same. Now I admire you and star's relationship, I am a sucker for good romance and it is obvious that you love one another allot. However to me your relationship sounds more like the one i read in the paranormal romance kink books I love to read, with the Master and slave being in love and it is all very romantic, and there is nothing wrong with that, who would not want a romance book relationship? However it is not what I would call Gorean, and it is not what allot of people call Gorean. Perhaps you should try to accept that your views is not the norm, that you have something that works for you, and just accept that many others will see your relationship as BDSM romance and not as Gorean. After all it do not matter what others call your lifestyle as long as you are happy with what you call it yourself.

I wish you and star well.

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