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All red, bolded and italiced emphasis is mine, added to illustrate my point at the end of this post. Apologies for the length of the post, but I wished not to edit anything out to avoid accusations of manipulating anyone's words or taking them out of context. quote:
ORIGINAL: TheHouseOfHussey Greetings to all members of this community, Those who have met jezabel know within a short time that she can be very blunt when she sees BS, this is a trait which I admire in her but which at the same time is not a suitable trait for a Gorean kajira. After much thought on the matter I have chosen to release her from her collar as a Gorean kajira and have taken her as my free companion. Some may consider this a reward for her, but as service oriented as she is, in the world of Gor this is the ultimate in punishment for having spoken her mind. Which then precipated an attack upon My Honor and My house within this community. I have dealt with jezabel on this matter and I will deal with the other offender directly and speak no more of it in this forum. But I did want to make the community aware that this error on her part cost jezabel her kajira collar and she is now only a Free Companion Known As Lady Jezabel Of The Lake. Ken The House of Hussey quote:
ORIGINAL: IronBear To date there has been discussions on the actions of The House of Hussey in this matter and the Goreaness of his actions. Thus far I have refrained from commenting on this and attempted to set the records straight as to a Master uncollering a slave, making her a Free Woman and then making her his Free Companion…However having done this Ken, Master of House of Hussey, would have been wiser to have modified both the Profile for The House of Hussey and his own Signature Line.. Both of which raise questions about the Goreaness of both his actions and the claim of a Gorean Home… I am commenting now due to the emails questioning me on my stance in this matter both on the other side an in my two private and one business email addresses The Signature ofThe House of Hussey Master Ken Free Companion Lady Jezabel Of The Lake {Master's private BDSM leather slavegirl} and gorean kajira tinkerbell The House of Hussey ~ Profile Master Ken believes that to truly Master someone else, You have to learn to Master yourself. So with that in mind My house is based on natural submission and slavery not forced. I strongly believe if you control the mind the body will follow. I run a strict Poly, BDSM and Gorean household of 3 based on this philosophy. Jezabel was brought up in the lifestyle and is "slave wired". she is my original alpha BDSM leather slave girl, alpha (first girl) kajira and My wife in My household. **Due to her extreme illness and it's side effects, I have deemed it necessary to change her title and duties** Jezabel will always be my alpha BDSM leather slave girl because that is how she is wired. Jezabel will still be in charge of My slaves and household at home when I am not present, but only when I am not present. In other words she has retired her slavery to private life. She will no longer be a alpha (1st girl) kajira, and I have deemed her to be My Free Companion at all Gorean Community Functions. From this point on she will be Gorean Free Companion Lady Jezabel. tinkerbel is a Gorean kajira and a BDSM leather beta slave. she has over 16 years experience as a gorean kajira and also enjoys the benefits of being a bdsm beta slave painslut. she is very mindfull in the ways of Gor, service oriented and naturally slave wired. The House Of Hussey I leave you all to draw your own conclusions in this matter…. It is not for us to judge who and what a man is enmass, but we each have the right to make our own minds up on how we feel, interact or react. I simply offer this as information with no judgement…. quote:
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ORIGINAL: atiya this post is directed to the Mistress Jezabel as i havent been following this story with a whole lot of interest because i dont choose to immerse myself in all the reasons of this that and the other i just have two simple questions if you please.... 1 - why would you title yourself after a myth which is stated by another as it implies role-play when you are in all actuality the Lady Jezabel of the House of Hussey? 2 - why in most of the posts i have read that are written by you, you speak as a slave or as if you are still a slave? i mean no disrespect it is just curiosity because if one is in a position whether they wish to be or not one should portay themselves in a manner befitting their station in life, if you are a Free Woman then should you not speak as a Free Woman as im sure you must carry yourself as such im public (basically saying if your gonna be something be it to the best of your ability whether you want to or not) because in my opinion it does no good service to ending all of this or for the House of Hussey either. forgive me if i have overstepped boundaries here in efforts to find understanding thank you atiya atiya, 1. It is not the place of a slave or submissive to question the Free. I choose that name because I am Free, and as The Free I can call Myself what I want. But to answer your question I have choosen Lady Jezabel Of The Lake because the poetry and myth have a very deep meaning to Me. I do not role play, I do not cyber in Gor Rooms, I do not do MMORPG's or RPG's. I live in a 24/7, M/s, FC, Poly, BDSM & Gorean Household. Yes you read it right it is a mixed household. I do not expect you or anyone for that matter to understand Our household for every household is different. Just because your house is not My house does not mean that it's bad, it is just different. 2. I was a slave, I was made a Free Woman, I was taken as a Free Companion. It will take time to stop speaking as a slave since I was a slave for over 15 years. Training did not develop in a day, and engrained training will take time to change to My new status. Lady Jezabel Of The Lake quote:
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ORIGINAL: dixiestar69 I agree with the other posts here.....you cannot just bam make her into a FW....jsut because you removed her collar...I think you just cannot controll your slaves and then make them free so they can somewhat speak their mind....you come off sounding fickle and like a damn washing machine....(back and forth back and forth) you make yoruself sound weak towards women......and thats about pathetic! sorry for speaking my mind but damnit thats just pathetic and sorry that you cannot control a slave who speaks her mind so you uncollar her and make her your FC......*rolls eyes and walks away* sounds like a player or a little boy to me...... dixie, please go back and read every post in this thread which I have made. I have proved incontravertably that freeing a slave and making hiom or her a Gorean Free is legitimate as far as Gor goes. There is even the quote the books.. Just because it doesn't sit well with you does not make it wrong.. If you want to comment on Gorean matters and critisise something a "Gorean Lifestyler" had done, kindly learn something about Gorean Lifestyles as opposed to on line Gor first. There is a huge difference lass <<grins>>.... The bigger issus here is I also pointed out the combining openly a mix of Leather, BDSM and Gor in the House of Hussy and still claiming it to be a Gorean Lifestyle Home, which is compounded by Jezabel with her forays into Artherian legends and adding that to the mix as well making House of Hussey the Disney Gor of CM... Well said IronBear. *smiles* Freeing a slave and making her a Companion though seemingly rare in the books was done. There are qoutes to back it up as I have posted. Like you IronBear I am having a hard time rapping my brain around the lables the House of Hussy puts on its self. Though I personaly don't see an issue mixing gorean philosophies and bdsm I think by mixing the two labels you open yourself up to a huge can of worms on both sides. I also think that if your a slave in one forum your a slave in all. If your a slave in the bdsm then I have trouble rapping my brain around how your a "Free Women" in a gorean setting. I also have trouble wrapping my brain around a statement that Jez made. 2. I was a slave, I was made a Free Woman, I was taken as a Free Companion. It will take time to stop speaking as a slave since I was a slave for over 15 years. Training did not develop in a day, and engrained training will take time to change to My new status. I am sorry but if your are a Free Woman, then act and speak as one. The moment you speak and act as a slave in a gorean setting you will be seen as a slave and from what I understand of most gorean Men and the lifestyle you will be treated as one as well. So I have to ask if your still speaking and acting as a slave in ways why not simply call a spade a spade or loose the labels all together at least in the gorean aspects. That in my opinion would make it easier not to judge you on a label that you wear, that your House wears. An example. I don't claim to be gorean. Though I know gor. Though I implement many things from gorean philosophies and rituals into my lifestyle because I also catagorize myself as a Switch in the bdsm world I think taking a label in the gorean one would only confuse many people and in ways make me and those I am an involved with look like a joke (or Disney Gor). By no means am I judging Jez or the House of Hussy, simply stating my opinion on the situation and ways that it could be prevented perhaps. As well as trying to wrap my brain around accpects of it. Blessed Be, Nika Nika, Jezabel was speaking from her heart, the question asked was why she spoke like a slave. I stripped Her of her slavery and MADE her a Free Companion. The reason is My business, but I will share a very small glimpse of My decision for My house and out of respect request that no one mock or make fun of this very serious subject, it is simply being told so that You may have some type of understanding. ...... it was two fold.... one Her free spirit and the tongue that went with it got Her in trouble by speaking Her mind to a Gorean Master, and with every seizure it becomes harder and harder for Her to remember what She said let alone who She said it to. And the second reason....Her failing health due to kidney and pancrease failure along with seizures that cause memory lapses and sometimes she looses complete days does not allow Her to perform alot of everyday life, alot of things that You and Myself take for granted such as driving, cooking, bathing nor Her slave duties any longer. It was NOT her choice, but a decision I made for Her health and to allow Her to participate in the House in some fashion on Her good days. Now I ask You if Your lifestyle was turned upside down and opposite of what You have been use to for over 15 years would You instantly change overnight? Or would you need time to "wrap Your mind around it". And if You were having failing health, seizures and memory loss on top of that do You think You would make sense all of the time? I think anyone would need time. It will take time for Jezabel to adjust to being a Free Companion. Just as it is taking time for Her to adjust to the flustration and anger of being so sick and not being able to remember what She had for breakfast. She has good days and She has bad days. She posts on the boards here just so She can have some type of contact with the Gorean and BDSM world, so please take what She says with a grain of salt, show no empathy or sympathy, but please show some understanding. This was only posted to clear up many of the comments, concerns or Judgements made against Jezabel, don't judge Her, judge Me. The House Of Hussey quote:
ORIGINAL: jezabelKH hee hee ya'll are all too funny! but since you asked it was a very brutal 5 hour take down, resistance, pin down, hog tie, face slapping, whipping, beating until i got rid of my willfull ways and submitted. a true cleansing..........but i don't expect most to understand what a cleansing is. jezabel{KH} just simply a slave Property of Master Ken Looking at all the posts of this thread, and all the items highlighted, shows some serious incongruities. 1. If she was displeasing due to her inability to speak in a manner becoming a slave, why bring her status to a level that permits her to speak openly? This is a reward, not a punishment. 2. If the release was for health reasons, then why would those health reasons be discarded for what has been described by the slave as a very brutal cleansing and recollaring? 3. The slave lost her collar for having been impertinent to a Free Person, yet seems to have full understanding of the slave's proper place when she is made Free, and then (in another thread not quoted here) this newly-recollared slave once again reverts to impertinence towards the Free. This being the case, why has she not once again lost her collar, as it was publicly deemed a fitting punishment for the same actions initially? Everything I have read that emanates from this household leaves me with a baffled feeling. I will make no accusations, but I have learned long ago that if it looks like bullshit and sounds like bullshit and smells like bullshit, the probability is pretty high that it is bullshit. PhantomOp of Port Kar, owner of kisshou
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