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It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/4/2006 5:42:18 PM

TheHouseOfHussey

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Greetings to all members of this community,

Those who have met jezabel know within a short time that she can be very blunt when she sees BS, this is a trait which I admire in her but which at the same time is not a suitable trait for a Gorean kajira. After much thought on the matter I have chosen to release her from her collar as a Gorean kajira and have taken her as my free companion. Some may consider this a reward for her, but as service oriented as she is, in the world of Gor this is the ultimate in punishment for having spoken her mind. Which then precipated an attack upon My Honor and My house within this community. I have dealt with jezabel on this matter and I will deal with the other offender directly and speak no more of it in this forum. But I did want to make the community aware that this error on her part cost jezabel her kajira collar and she is now only a Free Companion Known As Lady Jezabel Of The Lake.

Ken
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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/4/2006 5:48:28 PM

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And this matters to us because ...

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/4/2006 6:16:58 PM

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Ok, since this has been brought up. This is something that has confused me forever. You now have removed a slaves collar, you now say she is a free companion....what does this truly mean? I'm confused once more.

Just because one takes steel from their neck does not mean that "BAM" they are no longer slave. It only removes a title, yes? if this person is a slave, that is what she is, the steel has just been removed and a new title given to her.......yes? Does what i am typing make sense? I guess what i do not understand is just because a girl comes out of collar that does not make her any less slave, it just makes a girl with no collar around her neck.

The more i try to understand the more confused i become.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/4/2006 11:47:42 PM

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i must say i'm a little muddled, too, from the two posts about the decollaring. from what i understand, a free woman is higher in status than a slave, and yet it was posted that she is being punished by having the collar removed, either due to her illness or due to talking out, which was a stated admired trait. most confusing.

this is respectfully submitted as i try to further my knowledge of things Gorean for Master DM.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 12:02:40 AM

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Greetings House of Hussey,

Tal Ken,

I appreciate you honesty and sence of riteness in advising us of this change of status of the lass and you explanation of the event which is of course supported in Slave Girl when the leader of a Farming village released a slave and made her his Free Companion...

For an explanation on such an event, a Master can of course dispose of a slave how he wishes. probably the most common is simply uncollaring her so she is free to wander collarless untill another Free locks a collar about her neck. he may also sell her to another Master. However if he decides that in his opinion she would be better off as a Free Woman he may release her from her collar and comoplete the formal paperwork on her Manumution (Gawds I can't remember the spelling on this one) Document, a copy of which she must carry with her all the time to prove that she is not either a slave posing as a Free Woman or a runaway slave.. (This is my understanding but of course I may be wrong so I'll let others correct me if I'm wrong) The Master may of course, as seen in Slave Girl of Gor, simply release her and declare her a Free Woman and then take her as his Free Companion...

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 12:34:57 AM

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With all due respect,this kind of stuff is just why I just don't get you people. Oh well,whatever.........

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 12:45:55 AM

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*Is perplexed.

You release the girl from her collar, which is punishment in itself, but move her to FC. Perhaps I am missing something here in the definition of punishment.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 3:42:47 AM

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it means as a FC, she WILL be treated by other slaves with respect , she may as a FC claim and take her respect which as a kajira she can not, her first girl title only mattered in her home.as a FC the rules are different for her and with regard to her

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 4:54:27 AM

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Thank you for the response. It still makes no sense to me, but then again, perhaps it's not supposed to. I am always asking questions that seem to not be able to be answered..............just my curious nature.

Happy Friday!!

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:03:19 AM

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If one is disrespectful to others, player or not, it was automatic release in Gor when I taught it.

If she cannot respect ones as a kajira, why would it be expected she can respect them as a FC?

But then again, each to their own. Seems more like a Panther girl than anything else. And all those do FC or not is bring dishonour to the homestone. As they say, "the only good Panther was a dead one." But of course this is modern age. Then again, I was a hardass when it came to ones who brought shame to the homestone. Usually it meant banishment and selling her hook, line and sinker to the slave traders and getting rid of her like a hot potato.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:14:44 AM

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the mental effect of losing one's collar can be quite devasting if one is slave wired
however, this one knew of a situation a while back and the slave actually gained more priviledges during her punishment tenure....

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:23:31 AM

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No offense, but what i got from the initial post is you have a Man who cannot control or master his slave and decides its easier just to publically announce she is "free" so she can do as she wishes in public, because she is anyway because he has no control over her, while she keeps being slave in private. (See signature, which publically announces to the world, no matter what i call her in public she is still my slave and i am telling you when you see her you have to treat her as Free even though you know she is slave) This way she can have the best of both worlds, and he doesn't need to be addressed when his property offends. i know many slaves who are blunt and outspoken, however, i also know their masters actually take them in hand and master them so this trait, which is also usually admired by the Master, is made a pleasing trait controled by the Man who owns her. Not set her loose on the Free because of his own lack of being able to manage her.

What i honestly don't get, is the contradiction being shown. The slave is claimed to be a FC (in the eyes of the public), but it is announced that she is a BDSM leather slave in private. To me this is nothing but humoring a slave so she can run among gorean people "costumed" as a FC so she can say what she wishes and He doesn't have to do anything about it, even though the Man doesn't see her "really" as a FC because to him she is really a slave.

Perhaps the Men, who see this as Gorean and the way a Gorean Man would act when his slave is offensive, could explain why they would accept this and respect this? i realize a Master can do what he wishes with a slave, but this doesn't seem like he is releasing her at all but just slapping a label on her when she walks out the door so she doesn't get herself in trouble with her mouth.

If i remember correctly, there are many people who claim to be gorean to the core, in this very forum, who are passionately against this type of idea being Gorean in nature. This has me truly perplexed, especially after a thread a couple months ago. .

just a question,

angel

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:34:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

And this matters to us because ...

I agree. This is a forum about living this lifestyle, not for making petty announcements about ones "house". That can be kept for the role-playing forums. Not here.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:37:18 AM

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I'm sure I read yesterday, in a thread titled An Update on the House of Hussey, that she was released due to an extreme illness. Now it's because she spoke out in an unaceptable manner.

So, I'm left wondering...which is the real reason?

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:41:13 AM

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Um...er.....Ok......whatever.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:43:01 AM

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Now this is truely scary. I agree with bna. What is being announced here is the the "Master" is too lazy to actually enslave his girl. So he says, "You are now a free companion" so people can stop coming to him and saying you haven't mastered squat and using her as the example. The thing that he should note is that even as a free, his "girl" still brings dishonor to himself and his home because of her mouth.

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 5:47:27 AM

masterdeltafire

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Yes, the illness is called, "my Master is a weak Gorean Master, therefore I can do whatever I want. He will not punish me," syndrome, with a touch of "kajira paddle in mouth" disease.

quote:

ORIGINAL: valeca

I'm sure I read yesterday, in a thread titled An Update on the House of Hussey, that she was released due to an extreme illness. Now it's because she spoke out in an unaceptable manner.

So, I'm left wondering...which is the real reason?

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 6:06:59 AM

fyreredsub

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this one is sure it will become clearer to you as people with more knowledge of Gor speak.

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ORIGINAL: smilezz

Thank you for the response. It still makes no sense to me, but then again, perhaps it's not supposed to. I am always asking questions that seem to not be able to be answered..............just my curious nature.

Happy Friday!!

~smilezz~

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 6:14:30 AM

valeca

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I wanted to make sure I hadn't mis-read what I'd seen yesterday.

A update to the BDSM Community About The House Of Hussey

"Due to extreme illness and its side effects...."

Where is Jezebel and her BS sniffer when we need it?

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RE: It Cost the kajira her collar - 5/5/2006 6:31:13 AM

IronBear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kidless

With all due respect,this kind of stuff is just why I just don't get you people. Oh well,whatever.........

This matters to us how??????

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