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Gorean slaves and velcro collars - 3/19/2011 4:30:49 AM

Cherylmazana

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Seeing I am dragging up old ideas I thought I would bring this one in and brush it off as I was reminded of it.

Velcro collars have always struck me as being very ironic in a Gorean sense. The books plainly show that they want women to be extremely aware sexually, totally convinced of their own worth and very prideful about whom they are. They are expected to be passed around sexually and sold until they find the right master, petty and often spoilt they tried repeatedly to manipulate the men they were with.

And yet the men on Earth find it hard to deal with the concept of a woman who likes to change owners regularly. Who flits from man to man looking for the right one for her, why have Mr Right when Mr Right Now is waiting?

You know there used to be a word for this type of woman, she used to be called a slut, shocking isn’t it the thought of a slave being a slut, it makes me wonder why Gorean slaves are called sluts, because our slaves so prim and proper wouldn’t want to go from man to man trying them all out and then discarding them when they don’t live up to her expectations.

No instead she would want to be a good little Susie Homemaker, happy at home cleaning and cooking instead of looking for the exciting, sexually active men that can get her hot and horney. So I ask why would a slut want to stay with a man who wants Susie Homemaker when just around the corner there might be Mr Dong with the 9 inch tongue who knows how to breathe through his ears.

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< Message edited by Cherylmazana -- 3/19/2011 4:33:42 AM >

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RE: Gorean slaves and velcro collars - 3/19/2011 3:15:12 PM

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tangentially, back when yahoo chat was still active, we had the phenomenon of the giraffe girls....girls with collars in multiple rooms, to multiple masters.....equally disturbing

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RE: Gorean slaves and velcro collars - 3/20/2011 12:14:11 AM

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In the novels, the Gorean slave would be without choice in the matter of if she was passed around, if she was sold, or how many different collars she wore in her lifetime. It would be expected that she was sexually motivated but her obedience would be dictated by consequence enforced by will and law. Displease or fail and they might be sold. They could also just as easily be slain - a strong motivator all by itself.

Now jump to slaves as they exist here in our own backyards. Because this is a state of consensual slavery - one that doesn't have the force of law (only will) to govern it, the slavery is one that is only as absolute as the mentality of the participating individuals allows for. While there are some that are 'natural slaves' (wither by training or nature) and will respond in a more traditional (by Gorean standards) way, for many others the style of slavery is conditional upon the relationship they are in. Because of this, the 'totality' of the enslavement (and the permanence of the collar) will vary greatly.

If one is a slave who is primarily sexually motivated; then to find herself with a master who is primarily seeking a slave motivated by domestic servitude will be a less than compatible match over the long run unless the sexual aspects are also met to one degree or another.

If a slave is motivated by domestic service and household stability, then likewise she will have troubles if her owner is unconcerned with such things and is seeking primarily a sexually motivated slave.

These sorts of questions may tend to arise at the outset of communication between the master and the slave, but often are not fully explored in depth prior to the commitment of the relationship. Our understanding of the other person's motivations or desires isn't complete. That takes time. Partners learn one another, discovering what drives the other - what pleases. Often these things can be worked out. However, there are those who's drive in one area or another is more dominant than in other areas - sometimes to an extreme level. While it's hoped this might be found out early on, that's not always the case - especially when the parties involved are in the "honeymoon" phase of their relationship.   It's only later as that "new master/slave shine" has worn off a bit that people really begin to see compatibility issues arise (if any).

So, like in any relationship, questions arise. Do you try and "fix" the problems? Is there a strong enough sense of loyalty to 'stick it out'? Or do you move on? Has there been reason to even try?

Personal opinion - The permanence of the collar is dictated by the respect that it's given. Call it a catholic upbringing, but I see the collaring of someone analogous to an offer of marriage. I'm not saying they are the same thing - but that they should be approached with the same level of respect, forethought, and consideration for the future.    If you treat collaring like 'dating' - then the collar will be respected at that level. Something that means "yeah we're seeing each other, but it's not serious".   Just as most marriages that are just "jumped into" seldom last (yes there are exceptions), so too for collaring of another.

Of course, my premise is based upon the idea of collaring-to-keep. This is separate from other forms of collaring (such as training, protection, play - etc.. if one indulges in such things).

So I guess what I am slowly getting to is just this : Going from master to master (or slave to slave) is not in and of itself a bad thing. It's a matter of finding compatibility between individuals. This is done through dating prior to marriage (or at least that's the ideal). So likewise it's to be expected that such things will take place in other forms of relationships as well. The problem is though that we expect the collar to mean more. That there should be a sense of permanence and loyalty once it's been put in place.    Well, offer/accept it with the same care you'd offer/accept a wedding ring and you just might get that. Offer/accept it on a whim and you take your chances.

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RE: Gorean slaves and velcro collars - 3/21/2011 5:35:53 AM

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Tal and greetings all....

Just a comment about what I have seen in offline relationships over the years. I don't know of any real studies about how many collars the average slave goes through. I am only working from those I know or have read about. For slaves who do not start out being slave to their current husband or long time boyfriend, they seem to average about 2-4 different collars before they find the right fit. Note...average, not must go through. Some go through a dozen or more and some have only one.

Be well....

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RE: Gorean slaves and velcro collars - 4/18/2011 2:09:59 PM

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Greetings

I am not so sure that I would call it velcro collars even if a girl have changed owners many times, some use longer than others to find someone that is right for them, others are just unlucky. The term velcro collar to me means not real relationships but very shallow, usually online relationships where a girl is collared in an hours and leaves the relationship with as much consideration as she entered into it. Velcro collars is when things become just a game and no real emotions and or responsibilities are entered into, it is just a bit of chat fun. While having had many relationships do not necessarily mean that those relationships where shallow in any way.

I wish you well.

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