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New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/25/2011 5:33:35 PM   
SilverMystic2001


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Status: offline 		Greetings,
Not really sure how to type in a forum when I don't know who reads it, but I was curious if maybe this forum would or could answer my questions to clearify up why this happens or why it doesn't happen or whatever else.
I've told that I'm a potiental slave or that "I see potiental in you as a slave girl/kajira" but Does any of the slaves here feel its extremely hard to find them offline, or what really is Gor when it seems that so many people put BDSM with Gorean things. I've met alot of people from collar me (well maybe not a lot but about half a dozen, claiming to be Gorean) and they seem to tell me what to do, and they think that I have to do what they say, even as a Mentor.. I have to do everything they say like I was in their collar? I don't get it at all..

And I was curious it seems to me like I have to type a certain way, not the way I was taught in English Class Schooling.. I can't type with a Captial anything? It seems to be known as protocol or its tratition when its always been this way.

I love the roleplay of Gorean stuff but I guess or I'm starting to think its damn near impossible to learn from online, with my headstrong bratty whole behaviour I question everything. Not just Gorean just everything literally.. I'm always asking if this is okay to do or is this normal, then I hear no then I hear a this is how you Should do this not how you're doing things.. I thought slaves or subs or well yeah.. everyone is unqiue in their own ways.

I just would love to learn and ask questions, I know there is somethings I need to change mostly in real life, not online.. Online seems you have to type a certain way or act a certain way, when I have no clue on what things are.. I'm reading the books but its sure is hard to read them and understand what they mean, like the Bible its taken so many differerent ways, is that like Goreans you interprete the books differently? I just don't know how to make friends let alone who I can trust to learn. I don't really know how to work on what I need to change, I know some things but I don't know how to be a slave, but I really want to be because I feel certain things online or real life.

Someone was talking to me about the burning in my belly, and I said I have it but I don't have it as much, because I'm scared to do what it says and what people think of me? I know I shouldn't care what people think of me but I want to be pleasing..

I don't remember what I'm asking, I guess just about the captializations for online, and how can I know whos bad to talk to not names just how do you tell whos a claimer Gorean versus a real Gorean.. (real not as whatever you've heard just the Goreans that have the philopsy of the books and they wouldn't push your limits <like can I be a slave if I have limits of no illegal immoral stuff or is that a Master to push those limits?> just how do I tell the differece or protect myself from people that claim and people that hurt or are a danger to everyone around them?

Sorry for asking questions if I'm out of line and I don't mean to be rude or whatever you think, just trying to learn.. and I figure this would be best since its a forum its not role play and its not a Gorean/BDSM community in real life (I've already met people from there and got shut down for trying to learn so they used me and left thats it, if thats Gorean I'm brand new to everything.)

Thanks for whoever reads this and I wish you all well,
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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/25/2011 6:14:27 PM   
Bear0fAr


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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/25/2011 6:31:57 PM   
SilverMystic2001


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Status: offline 		*giggles* run as you running or me running *grins*? But I"m serious :(

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/25/2011 7:01:47 PM   
SorceressJ


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Status: offline 		That "run" was a link to Master Bear's blog, girl. I've been and read the page to which it leads, and I assure you, it's quite serious.
I highly recommend it, and that you not continue to make the mistake of assuming that everyone is either teasing you, or simply full of bosk shit (most people are. but not ALL..)

(to BearofAr): My compliments, Sir.

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/25/2011 7:48:08 PM   
Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001

I've met alot of people from collar me (well maybe not a lot but about half a dozen, claiming to be Gorean) and they seem to tell me what to do, and they think that I have to do what they say, even as a Mentor.. I have to do everything they say like I was in their collar?


Gorean slaves obey all free under all circumstances at all times or suffer the consequences.
Therefore some people who identify as Goreans expect the same sort of obedience from females who self-identify as slave girls.

Whether or not you give random strangers that obedience you'll have to decide for yourself... I'm sure you're old enough to figure out what is appropriate and what not.
However, identifying as a kajira and trowing refusing to obey simple non-intrusive commands from people who identify as Gorean free (a command like "get me a drink") doesn't seem to very consistent. Why anybody would proclaim themselves to be a Gorean slave and then demand equal treatment to people who have no self-identified as such is beyond me.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001

I have to type a certain way, not the way I was taught in English Class Schooling.. I can't type with a Captial anything?


I doesn't seem like anything you type is written the way it would have been taught to you in English class, so why does that concern you?

To answer your question: it used to be common practice on Gorean boards that kajirae wouldn't capitalize their names or personal pronouns to make it easier to distinguish a slave from a free person. They where also expected to address the free with the proper Gorean tittles and make sure they always properly capitalized the names of the free.
Lately, that spelling convention has been eased up on in some places, though it is still fairly common in places meant for Gorean role play.
On this board, as far as I know, most men prefer clear and correct English over non-standard English such as a-typical capitalization and third person speech.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001

I'm reading the books but its sure is hard to read them and understand what they mean, like the Bible its taken so many differerent ways, is that like Goreans you interprete the books differently?


Differently than what?


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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001

Someone was talking to me about the burning in my belly, and I said I have it but I don't have it as much, because I'm scared to do what it says and what people think of me? I know I shouldn't care what people think of me but I want to be pleasing..



The "burning belly" thing is mostly an online thing.
What is mostly meant by it is the sexual desire a female has to please strong men. One does not need to have such feeling to be a Gorean's slave, because not all kajira are kept primarily for sexual purposes.
In any event, it's a feeling that is triggered directly through the physical presents of strong men, and as such not something you are able to "have" on your own. It requires interaction with men to experience.

As far as caring what people think about you goes... if you are really intend on being a kajira, you should very much care about what people -and specifically those who identify as Gorean free- think about you, because the reputation you establish for yourself, through your own actions, will most likely be that which determines how successful you are at inspiring the desire to master you in men.
The desire to be pleasing is something you'd do well at cultivating, instead of suppressing, if you truly aim to become a mastered female.


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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001

how can I know whos bad to talk to not names just how do you tell whos a claimer Gorean versus a real Gorean.. (real not as whatever you've heard just the Goreans that have the philopsy of the books and they wouldn't push your limits <like can I be a slave if I have limits of no illegal immoral stuff or is that a Master to push those limits?> just how do I tell the differece or protect myself from people that claim and people that hurt or are a danger to everyone around them?


How can you tell whether or not somebody you meet in a coffee shop is who they claim to be and is going to be dangerous to you?
Apply the same thing to Goreans you meet.
If you're incapable of telling which people are a danger to you and which aren't for yourself, there is nothing any stranger on a message board can tell you that will make that any easier to you. Especially not considering your age...

As far as limits go... Goreans do not accept kajirae to proclaim to have limits. Period.
There really isn't anything more to it than that.
That doesn't mean that they would do everything or anything BDSMers usually consider to be limits to you, but it does mean that Goreans do not accept kajira to set the terms at which they interact with them.

Any man who promises you that he won't ever do X to you is not a Gorean man holding you in slavery.
If you don't like that idea, I'd advice to take Bear's warning and to run...

Ishtar

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/26/2011 12:08:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001
But I"m serious :(


So is he. 

And we don't agree on many things, but on this, we certainly do...

MF

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/26/2011 7:52:00 AM   
Cherylmazana


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Status: offline 		I find it very simple, if you want to be a victim then do exactly as strangers you have only just met want you to do.

If you want to find a person who will own you and whom you can trust then vet them, and don’t be the victim, take your time to get to know them and don’t go in with rose coloured glasses on.

Until you meet a Gorean man who collars you, you have to do nothing at all you feel uncomfortable doing. Once however you have accepted his collar (offline not online) then it’s a different matter. Then you will find out if you really are a slave or not.

Basically buyer beware.

Personally I think running is the best option.

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/26/2011 1:57:46 PM   
Selenity


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Status: offline 		You know, I'll be blunt but I'm really starting to hate the prevalent attitude of people here that keep telling those interested to run. It's rather annoying and speaks volumes as if you're trying to be an elitist society.

Silver,

Before you identify as one way or the other in Gorean Society I suggest that you find a mentor and one that you trust. Learn from him where you feel safest at and get to know him and then try to find where your local Goreans, if any, meet up at and listen and learn. I strongly recommend reading the books, be they a hard read as it is, but read between the lines and search out the philosophies behind them.

That being said there are many opinionated people on these forums and just as many that can teach you volumes even by just sitting back and reading many of the discussions.

Should you wish to communicate with me at all, feel free to send me a message via collarme and I will supply you with my email address.

I wish everyone well,
Selenity


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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/26/2011 2:30:58 PM   
SilverMystic2001


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Status: offline 		Thank you, Master Bear. That seems to answer all my questions really, i really appreciate reading your website.
Sorry I misinterpreted it to say something else.
Sorry, Master for all the questions I just got off the chat room training rooms because I didn't like how things were I don't know how to explain myself in typing when I'm scared people are going to think things I can't seem to explain too well in typing.
If I don't understand something in the books can I ask it here on these forums?

I don't want to run away, though I would like to run away from the role players to learn from. Someone awhile back told me to learn by being in a chatroom for real life and online Gor, was stupid to believe i guess

sorry if i was rude or something i totally didn't mean to be just i don't know how to type it how i mean because of communication is limited on the computer.

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/26/2011 3:42:25 PM   
Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: Selenity

You know, I'll be blunt but I'm really starting to hate the prevalent attitude of people here that keep telling those interested to run. It's rather annoying and speaks volumes as if you're trying to be an elitist society.



So you find it rather annoying and elitist that, on a Gorean board, a girl who self-identifies as a female slave would be told what to do?

I must say that speaks volumes about the type of woman you yourself are...

Further, it is not at all the prevalent attitude that those who are interested are told to run. Apparently you haven't been here long enough if that's how you think things work.
The only people I've ever seen get the advice to run is would-be kajirae who come here with a clearly clueless and romantic view on what slavery is.
Personally, I absolutely agree with that advice, considering that any girl who actually CAN run would make a lousy slave to begin with.

If you, however, how some better, more enlightened and important advice, I suggest that you actually GIVE IT, instead of having a bitching that other people aren't as sweet and cuddly with the slave folk as you seem to want to be...

Ishtar

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/26/2011 4:02:25 PM   
Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: SilverMystic2001

If I don't understand something in the books can I ask it here on these forums?

I don't want to run away, though I would like to run away from the role players to learn from. Someone awhile back told me to learn by being in a chatroom for real life and online Gor, was stupid to believe i guess

sorry if i was rude or something i totally didn't mean to be just i don't know how to type it how i mean because of communication is limited on the computer.


You can ask whatever you want on these, going through the archives would be a good idea too.
I particularly advice you to read the Titanic topic as it will give you a good idea about the less-than-horney-and-romantic side of Gorean slavery, and any topic you find in the FAQ at the top of this board.

This board has been kind of slow lately and most Gorean men have better things to do for their kajirae than to spend time online, so I can't think of any girls, owned by Gorean men who are currently posting here that you can ask questions to (we used to have a great slave girl topic just for that http://www.collarchat.com/m_883051/tm.htm), however if you drop me a line over CM mail (use the PM button on the corner left bottom of this post) I'd be willing to share some of my experiences with you, if you're interested.

Ishtar

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 12:46:58 AM   
Selenity


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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
So you find it rather annoying and elitist that, on a Gorean board, a girl who self-identifies as a female slave would be told what to do?

I must say that speaks volumes about the type of woman you yourself are...

Further, it is not at all the prevalent attitude that those who are interested are told to run. Apparently you haven't been here long enough if that's how you think things work.
The only people I've ever seen get the advice to run is would-be kajirae who come here with a clearly clueless and romantic view on what slavery is.
Personally, I absolutely agree with that advice, considering that any girl who actually CAN run would make a lousy slave to begin with.

If you, however, how some better, more enlightened and important advice, I suggest that you actually GIVE IT, instead of having a bitching that other people aren't as sweet and cuddly with the slave folk as you seem to want to be...

Ishtar


I meant exactly what i said. Considering that more than half of the posts I read were telling the girl to leave. No I don't think it's elitist for free to tell a kajira what to do. But yes when new people come in with a bit of a romantic idea i think it's best to educate them, help them see what Gorean philosophy is exactly, instead of going run. Direct them to helpful topics and also caution them that at more times than not Gor is a harsh society. 

I do accept that it was my fault for not making my prevalent attitude comment clearer. In this thread was all that i was referencing. As the initial responses, not including the girl's own, were mostly telling her to run. It was speaking of the majority feeling from the posts as I perceived them as.

If I am wrong please do to let me know that those posts weren't telling her to simply run. If I was seen as having a bitch fit, I'll admit there was an edge to my tone. Am I ashamed by it? No. I may not phrase things quite so eloquently when I feel that there is a need to be blunt and to the point. Perhaps being a military woman that was born, raised, and then consequently serving in the military makes me that way and I do not see anything that is wrong with being blunt and to the point.

As to the advice I did give, I will not pass judgement on if it is more enlightened, important, or better as one can never know which pieces of advice are better or not unless they are able to try them all.

As for me being cuddily with slave folk and wanting to be. I draw a distinction between educating and helping a newbie into the fold and dealings with kajiri. I do not disagree that many come with rose colored glasses and a romanticized idea of what M/s and Gorean slavery are. I instead think it is better to teach them then to simply tell someone to turn away simply because you feel that they are clueless or romanticizing the lifestyle.

I may still be considered 'young' in this lifestyle but if those that seem to be the older and wiser are going to be counterproductive in my view I do not mind picking up slack and helping newcomers see if this is for them or not rather than chalking them up to a nope not going to be gorean list. Which is from my perception of how things were being carried on seem to be the case by a majority of folk responding in this thread.

If that was not what was being attempted I do apologize for seeing something that wasn't there. Still, the only way that a community like ours is to survive is for new blood to find it and learn of it. I was fortunate enough to have people in my day to day life be able to help me and show me guidance and start me on my path and be there for me when I have a question.

I hope not all threads of new people are encouraged to run but I will most definitely be checking these forums more in any case if simply to give back to the community for the guidance I was lucky enough to have and still have. I feel that regardless of free or slave or unsure that all should be taught on what Gor is especially if there are misguided notions.

I wish you all well,
Selenity

edit- Ironically enough Ishtarr, I felt that you were perhaps offering the best advice in this thread. You gave multiple good points. My post was irnoically enough not directed at you to begin with just speaking more towards the ones simply telling her to run. You actually seemed to be trying to educate and caution and give sound advice.


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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 3:29:30 AM   
Hiskajirah


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Status: offline 		Greetings silvermystic

There are 2 old protocols I do continue to use online and that is always capitalizing a free persons name and lowercasing a slaves name. As Mistress Ishtar explained to you it's used (or used to be more commonly used) to differentiate free from slave.

Always address a free man as Master and free woman as Mistress. If a male enters with a lowercase name I will address them as Master until I learn otherwise. If a female enters and their name is capitalized I will address them as Mistress until I learn otherwise. I know many people simply capitalize their names because names are supposed to be capitalized, I like to be sure.

There is no need to capitalize pronouns, like You, Him, Me, Your etc.

There's no silks or roleplaying here. No need for third person speech unless a future Master chooses for you to do so. There are times that I speak to Master's in third person but that is because it pleases them. It takes time to learn individuals.

I think you are confused due to other forums, chatrooms, roleplay venues.

Just be you. I kinda hate using the word real, but we are real people here, not characters playing a part.

Since you are identifying as a slave, I would encourage you to always be respectful, even if you are upset at something a free says to you. Never argue.

Try to realize that living Gorean isn't finding a man that will sweep you off your feet, or coddle you. There's no equality. Goreans aren't fond of bratty slaves or subby princesses. I know some girls like to push, be sassy, challenge the men in a manipulating manner in an attempt to force dominance over you.

Gorean men don't go for that at all. Some D/s, M/s or BDSM rooms may like that, Goreans will wave you away.

You might come to be cherished property one day, but all that you are becomes his. Anything he comes to allow you can be revoked at his will.

He may make your knees tremble, your belly flip flop, beg, toss you the floor and have his way with you. Use you 'til you can't walk the next day (sheesh that made me hot lol) but it's also not all about sex. So many think it is and when what she wants doesn't evolve fast enough... she sulks. You don't get the upper hand, ever! So much to learn.

You might greet a free and get no reply. They don't owe you one.

Gor is harsh. Gor is Gor. It's said that Gorean men are often strict and demanding, but seldom cruel.

Always be pleasing and obedient.

Even though I'm an owned offline slave, I will defer to the Goreans here, both the men and the women, as I would offline. My Master would not be pleased otherwise.

There has been a few times over the last 10+ years that I have been scolded by a free man or women.

We may or may not be forgiven. We can also be treated as non existant. Ignored entirely.

You have lots and lots to read. In a sense you are lucky already in that there are some willing to talk with you. I did all my own work and it took years. I'm still learning and growing. There's so much more.

I hope you are serious about learning. I hope that you aren't here seeking a thrill and when the thrill or burning belly doesn't come as you might hope, you vanish to go play elsewhere.

You may want to think long and hard how important it is to you to attempt this path. It's not an easy one.

I don't have a lot of extra time, yet if there's anything I can do to help you, contact me. It may take me a bit to reply, but I will always do so as able.

I wish you well on your journey,
~twinkle

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 5:37:21 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		What you need to realize is that you are a person who is not a slave, calling online nicknames Master cause it is a protocol Gorean slaves follow, doesn't mean the fact that you run your life, you govern your life and you self-determine your life go by the wayside cause you simply don't want to acknowledge those facts.  In the end all you are doing is mimicing what you see and what you see of slaves is seriously the very basic suface of the whole and doesn't tell you anything and many times can be misconstrued as to the reality.  But hey everyone has to start somewhere and usually mimicing is a way many women get their slave fix while online.

Just and FYI -- reading the books isn't something you need to do before becoming a Gorean's slave.  In fact, i would recommend NOT reading them until after you are owned.  Being a slave is different than what your life is now, its hard for many, and for many its not all that hard its simply life.  If you are interested in it, then look for the Man and what you seek in a Man. 

You use common sense, you don't think portraying a slave is portraying a helpless child, it means you get to know the men who interest you and if your being their slave is meant to be -- THEY WILL make it happen.

What so many women don't get is, Men aren't stupid, they really don't need you to overact as a slave for them to get the point that you are interested in slavery.  Men always assess women for potential if mastery is what they enjoy.    In fact, the men seeking slaves who know how to master women, can recognize the women who are reactive to their mastery without the girl remotely even uttering the word Master or kneel etc.  Just don't try so hard, be yourself, allow your personality to exist, and allow men to get to know you.  Things will move in the right direction if a Man who determines he wishes you to exist as slave in his life becomes interested.  Men will assess your potential no matter what you do.  

If you want my advice, don't try to be "a"slave or what you think a slave is or what some person thinks being a slave is, be yourself and right now, yourself is being free and self-determining and its simply your life right now.  don't let online dictate to you what being a slave is, because most of what is out there is pretty much bullshit from the reality and actuality of women who are slaves.  Read anything you come across with a grain of salt because your EXPERIENCE and UNDERSTANDING of being a slave won't come from what you read but will come from the mastery a Man holds you in and the lessons his slavery teaches you.  The Man will "explain" slave to you and usually without saying a word. 

And no, you don't NEED A MENTOR.  Good grief.  Hell if you are going to have a mentor, find yourself an owner instead and simply BE an actual slave.  Its really not as deep as some people want to make it nor is it as scary or bogggie manish, no you don't have to RUN, you simply have to find the man who will compel the slave.

I disagree with many people who have posted -- i have said it so often, being a slave is NOT a thinking thing.  DO NOT THINK about it because all in all, you have no clue what you are thinking about IF you have never been a slave to a Gorean Man.  Experience it.   It will either work or it won't.  Get to know the men and they will make the determination for you.  You will either follow them or not.  There is nothing to think about.  If it doesn't work with one man, then you will find another or make a determination for yourself that you want to follow a different path and if Men, let you, then you will.

Being a slave is a REACTIONARY concept, it is NOT a THINKING concept. 

If you want to know about the slave within, do just remember, the MEN are the catalyst to slave.  Its not the pleasing or the obeying, its that animal within who need the mastery of men and to exist to be held by men for their pleasure.  That really is a big difference from being pleasing.  It always amuses me when people try and combine the two concepts and use the pleasure of men as synonymous to being pleasing. 

Put your feelers out and let men know you are interested, you will piss off some, interest others, and still have no effect on others but you will eventually find a Man.  Being a Gorean slave is no harder or easier than doing anything else.  Its a different concept within which you will live, but the actuality is simply your life.  If you want to learn about the slave, then you will have to allow the men to teach you.  The rest will be up to you.

Good luck,
angel

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 6:18:38 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Those posts were not simply telling her to run. Did you see her reply? Did you read the link? Some good information in that link, not to mention there is a lot of good information in the past posts in this forum.

It has been my experience that most slaves do not fully understand what they are getting into, until they are in the middle of it. Those that have a better expectation set, will have an easier time.

Live well,
Orion

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 7:10:22 AM   
Malkinius


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Greetings all....

I have been paraphrasing Bear's essay "Run" for years for new people who want to be a slave, especially a Gorean's slave. It is not quite so long but it does cover the main point. It goes something like this:

So you want to be a Gorean's slave? Run. Run away. Run as fast and far as you can and don't come back. We don't want you here.

If you come back because you can't help yourself, you can't stay away, then and only then should you be here. Only if you can surrender all of yourself on someone else's terms should you attempt to be a Gorean's slave. If not, run. Run Away. Run as fast and as far as you can and don't come back.

Be well all....

Malkinius

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 7:36:21 AM   
mnottertail


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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
It has been my experience that most slaves do not fully understand what they are getting into, until they are in the middle of it. Those that have a better expectation set, will have an easier time.

Live well,
Orion


WORD.

HUP

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 8:48:23 AM   
Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: Selenity

Considering that more than half of the posts I read were telling the girl to leave.



Half the posts?
All 4 posts that where made prior to yours referred to the "run" advice.
And none of those post told the girl to leave...

Maybe you need to make sure that you know what you're talking about, and what people are actually saying, before you go and chastise them for annoying you and being elitist.

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ORIGINAL: Selenity

when new people come in with a bit of a romantic idea i think it's best to educate them, help them see what Gorean philosophy is exactly // and also caution them that at more times than not Gor is a harsh society.


Which is exactly what everybody who posted before you did...
They educated silver on the fact that Gorean slavery isn't for the romantically inclined, and that unless a mastered kajira is something she HAS to be, is something that she shouldn't aspire to be at all.

So apparently you're annoyed that people didn't give her that educating the way YOU think they should have...
If that's the case, again, maybe you should give her the advice you feel others should be giving, instead of complaining that other people are being elitist because they have different advice than you to give.

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ORIGINAL: Selenity

If I am wrong please do to let me know that those posts weren't telling her to simply run.


They where telling her to run, but not because she isn't welcome here, but because one shouldn't go looking to become a slave unless one doesn't have another choice... ya know... Goreans liking freedom and personal accountability and all...

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ORIGINAL: Selenity

As for me being cuddily with slave folk and wanting to be. I draw a distinction between educating and helping a newbie into the fold and dealings with kajiri.


Are you suggesting that anybody here owes anything at all to newbies?
Most people who post around these parts did their homework and learned the things they wanted to learn because they put the time and effort into learning it.
Nobody here gets things handed on a silver platter.
Nobody here owes a newbie an explanation for anything.

If people feel inclined to help a newbie out, that's their prerogative, but it's not something a newbie is entitled to getting and not something anybody here is responsible for giving.
Again, if you want to give her an education and answer her questions the way you see fit, then by all means, do so.
But others will have other things to say, and will say, and I seriously doubt any of them give a rats ass about your annoyance about the way they choose to handle things.

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ORIGINAL: Selenity

chalking them up to a nope not going to be gorean list. Which is from my perception of how things were being carried on seem to be the case by a majority of folk responding in this thread.


Your perception was wrong.
If anybody chalked her up on a "nope not going to be Gorean" list, it wasn't noticeable in any of the posts.

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ORIGINAL: Selenity

Still, the only way that a community like ours is to survive is for new blood to find it and learn of it.


This debate has been had before.
Gorean ethos isn't a cult that needs to have followers found for it.
It will stand or die on its own merits.
If the only way it will live on is by actively finding and coddling along new blood, it's already failed.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Selenity

I feel that regardless of free or slave or unsure that all should be taught on what Gor is especially if there are misguided notions.


Again, if you feel that way, go forth and educate.
But don't expect others to feel they owe newbies and education.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Selenity

You actually seemed to be trying to educate and caution and give sound advice.



I did so because the mood struck me to do so, as did all the others who have posted on this topic...

Ishtar

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 4:21:53 PM   
couple4life


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Status: offline 		This is not necessarily on topic, but I have never run across your blog before, but it really is excellent. Thank you for posting it.

anne

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RE: New to Gor, real life and online: questions - 4/27/2011 4:23:45 PM   
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