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RE: How many Gorean M/s relationships last? - 5/3/2011 6:45:30 AM

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Feel free to make it a new thread though, I prefer a forum with working threads even if it does irritate some that it’s back to the old subject of slavery. (Evil grin)

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ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

Good point Angel, marriage could help with longevity. But then that leads to the other question, can you really be a slave if you are married?

That’s also a question that has been debated many times, some believe that as marriage automatically gives the woman a legal share of the man’s assets, she can only be a companion not a slave. While others debate that it is the only way a man can legally have a “claim” on a woman. And in the traditional sense a married woman was considered a chattel of her husband.

Then if you add into it John Norman’s satire against feminists where they equated marriage to slavery was he saying that all married women are slaves and that the ring on the finger is the same as a ring around the neck?

Feel free to make it a new thread though, I prefer a forum with working threads even if it does irritate some that it’s back to the old subject of slavery. (Evil grin)

Cheryl

Greetings..

I have to say that before Master my very own thoughts and experience led me to say no..it is not possible because during those such situations the only viable reason I could come up with when things went south was the addition of marriage, and it some how led to complacency on the mans part (almost as if it were a ah ha..I have you now..there is no need to continue this 24/7 mastering because in a odd sort of way the "law" says I own you sort of mentality).

I know now that it in fact was not the marriage addition that was the problem but the men in general that were unable and or never really did want or desire a slave but it was a great front put forth until it felt safe they could drop their fascade and return to their real selves so to speak. I will even give the benefit of doubt and say some in part was that they to were on the learning path to discover their own needs, and that way of life just wasn't for them even though they thought it might have been.

I'd have to say now that if it is the will and desire of the man in question, and the need and desire of the female in question..that marriage, society or its laws will not sway nor prevent it from being exactly what it was meant to be.

As far as slaves/slavery being discussed quite frequently..It seems to be the only aspect that while for Goreans can easily not exist within their lives but if it does..has to be hashed out as it goes along in the sense that there is no viable support nor 101 handbook or even real world training/experience as to just how things should be..will be..for those involved.

The world at large isn't going to give a squabble in the least because someone is honest or responsible for their own actions..etc.etc.

starshine

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RE: How many Gorean M/s relationships last? - 5/3/2011 9:53:27 AM

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Oh my... these relationships don't last???
i'm really surprised you are even allowed to utter such ideas...

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RE: How many Gorean M/s relationships last? - 5/3/2011 8:49:57 PM

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Evening ya'll

I started to read the whole thread, and changed my mind, deciding instead to answer without reading any other responses.

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and how slaves never really seem to remain slaves for long.

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So any ex Gorean slaves want to comment?

Sorry for chopping up your statements but I wanted to focus on these two only.

Though I continue to state that I am not a slave and have never been a slave; I WAS in a long term relationship with a man who was Gorean (more than 15yrs, till his death).
My opinion, and this is my opinion only, is that too many focus on the 'being a slave' aspect and forget to focus on the 'being happy' aspect. What I mean by this is that a slave will never remain a slave for long if he/she is not happy withing that concept; and an owner will never remain an owner for long if they are not happy withing that context.

It takes alot to keep a relationship going. On all sides. Submitting, and mastering; while they appear to be all that is needed, is an illusion that many get caught in.
To master someone, a man needs to know how to compromise, despite what most seem to think.
To submit completely, a slave needs to know how to compromise.

It's a two way street that continues to loop over and over again.

It takes maturity, responsibility, willingness to bend, when bending is called for; it takes preseverance, and it takes determination on all sides to make it work. Simply falling into a relationship and declaring that 'You are Master, I am slave' is not going to cut it.

For the most part, relationships that I see of this nature fail because neither parties are willing to work for that happiness. All too often they think that things will just magically fall into place and 'be right'.

It takes alot to be a slave. AND, it takes just as much to master a slave. It's a hell of a lot of work, and it's not all roses and chocolates

It's painful, it's humiliating at times, it's compromise, and it's a need that is so deep, that you have to want it with all your soul to the point that you are not willing to let things 'fizzle out'.
The rewards though, when you find that right combination, do outweigh the battles that come along.

Just my thoughts.

Have a wonderful evening.

mist

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RE: How many Gorean M/s relationships last? - 5/6/2011 2:30:26 AM

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IrishMist, that is exactly how i feel about my marriage (edit: to my sometimes much too realistic earthman)

i am sorry for you that you lost him
all the best

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