Aswad
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This one was a bit early, but it seems relevant to point out a few problems.
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
and there was no rape in the modern sense, the latin word used actually means abduction. the story has romulus offering the abducted women their choice of a husband and full rights as romans. so your example is utterly irrelevant. if anything, it disproves your theory.
A. The word actually means raid, and later theft, then theft of women, then theft of virginity, eventually gaining the meaning it has today, which is still changing.
B. The status of wives at the time, in that area, would've met with the modern definition of slavery.
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sparked by resentment of a domineering mother.
I don't think this part of your claim is justified.
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the mental ability to accept slavery is not an inheritable trait. it is a cultural conditioning.
A. There is a distinct genetic component.
B. There is a far stronger epigenetic component.
C. The cultural conditioning is almost ubiquitous, even today.
D. It is arguable that modern society uses slavery in the form of domestication of both genders, and is very successful at it.
That said, you are correct that her analysis was flawed. Among other things, there is nothing to suggest that it would be possible to favor the trait in one gender without having an impact on the other gender. The epigenetics of it are matrilineal, true, but also reversible over just a single generation, so it has no persistence. Besides, those are also applicable to men.
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survival of the species, as ever. that's all we have ever bred for. any other idea is just stupid, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the functions of nature and the evolutionary process.
You are attributing purpose where there is none.
The evolutionary process is a result of a simple mechanistic process that we can model, precisely because there is no guidance behind it, no purpose to it. Each generation attempts to produce a new generation, with no forward component. The selection is conditioned in the past, not by the future or the needs of the future, or else you would see far faster adaptation than is presently occuring, or has occured in the past, and much faster evolution in intelligent species (primarily predatorial ones) than in less intelligent ones. No such thing is evident.
Humans are, however, capable of directing the process. And we do, by cultural norms that significantly influence our selection bias. The aesthetics may differ across cultures, and indeed do. The Gorean books are obviously fiction, though instructive or illustrative, but a lot of people who have been inspired by them are arguably a group of subcultures with a certain set of aesthetics in each such group. I'm inclined to argue that those aesthetics need a stronger foundation than the books can provide, but they're closer to viability than most of the Catholicism-derived ones in the West, in my opinion.
Incidentally, your tone is needlessly confrontational. It distracts from the validity of some of your arguments.
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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