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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 7:03:05 AM

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Despite the long time feminist misinformation, no, all rape is not about control and especially men controlling women. Rape happens, not that often, but it does happen with women raping men. Most rape, or what is defined legally as rape is about sex.

Y'all might want to stick with Gor rape or you'll get all us non-Goreans back in here saying your notions of earth rape are full of shit.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 2:15:30 PM

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In case this was missed the first time.

Next time I hear someone say the "land is being raped." I will be sure and notify those that are in charge of what the meaning should always be on Earth.

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Yeah I think it has been over analyzed as well, mainly because of the emotional landmine of the word rape. In an archaic verb usage, it means to seize and take away by force. One of the synonyms for it is ravish. Now combine the qualifier of "slave" in a Gorean context, and it pretty much means to ravish a slave.

It really is not that difficult once you take away the emotional trigger of the word "rape" by itself.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 2:17:40 PM

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You can post anywhere in any forum as long as TOS and guidelines are followed. If this is meant as a threat of some kind, you can politely use that as a suppository.

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Despite the long time feminist misinformation, no, all rape is not about control and especially men controlling women. Rape happens, not that often, but it does happen with women raping men. Most rape, or what is defined legally as rape is about sex.

Y'all might want to stick with Gor rape or you'll get all us non-Goreans back in here saying your notions of earth rape are full of shit.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 2:33:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You can post anywhere in any forum as long as TOS and guidelines are followed. If this is meant as a threat of some kind, you can politely use that as a suppository.

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Despite the long time feminist misinformation, no, all rape is not about control and especially men controlling women. Rape happens, not that often, but it does happen with women raping men. Most rape, or what is defined legally as rape is about sex.

Y'all might want to stick with Gor rape or you'll get all us non-Goreans back in here saying your notions of earth rape are full of shit.

I'm not seeing any hint of a threat, implied or otherwise. Do you feel threatened by her?
However, your comment was very crude without a doubt. Perhaps you should apologize to all the readers.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 2:56:27 PM

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It's been a few months; if you review this thread and its mother you'll see what I mean.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 3:04:11 PM

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We are perhaps seeing the product of each persons different reality. For some the word rape is defined by a dictionary that equates it to the word "ravish". For some the word "ravish" equates to the word "pleasure" and for some it should equate to the word "death" if they were previously 'ravished' by force without any pleasure. These different two realities can be confusing if we continue to use the same word for both so let us number the different instances of "rape" to keep them straight and follow this with a premise or "philosophy" that surrender vs. overpowered are the key differences in the different realities that define the word "rape" to different individuals.

First, the determinant for rape1 vs. rape2 is how they start rather than how they progress or complete and so they start with either a surrender or instance of being overpowered, one or the other. Some women are overpowered in rape1 and they even sometimes suffer death at the hands of their rapist. Women are not overpowered in rape2 but instead submit or surrender. An example of how a woman relates to this is when Sinderella1 asked me to do a certain thing next time "I attacked her" and then she looked up at me and said, "I mean, next time you ravish me!", so for her it was rape2 and she equated this to the word "ravish" which Orion points out some dictionary relates this word to rape.

I think rape2 is more akin to Gorean slave rape. Gorean slaves are not overpowered in the act of "slave rape" and in the Sagas they actually think something is wrong if they are not "slave raped" as do many BDSM submissives, Sinderella1 being one of them and she is not atypical, as well as non-BDSM Gorean slave girls in real households.

Rape1 is forced and can lead to deadly consequences and not anything like Gorean slave rape and BTW there is nothing unique to Gor about Gorean slave rape in case you have not noticed.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/9/2011 3:58:22 PM

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An example of how a woman relates to this is when Sinderella1 asked me to do a certain thing next time "I attacked her" and then she looked up at me and said, "I mean, next time you ravish me!", so for her it was rape2...

Gorean slaves are not overpowered in the act of "slave rape" and in the Sagas they actually think something is wrong if they are not "slave raped" as do many BDSM submissives, Sinderella1 being one of them and she is not atypical, as well as non-BDSM Gorean slave girls in real households.

Let's see if I can sum up the central point of your post...

You got laid.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 11/11/2011 1:48:14 AM

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lol this thread again

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 1:58:47 AM

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Ummm last I recall kajirae are for the use of Free. They have no rights. They have 2 duties serve & please. A kajira by the books cant be raped shes mere livestock. If a person cant handle all that Gor entails stick to BDSM.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 6:08:21 AM

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Do you believe that a lady who identifies herself as a Kajira is merely livestock and can't be raped? (here in the real world?)

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 10:49:23 AM

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Do you believe that a lady who identifies herself as a Kajira is merely livestock and can't be raped? (here in the real world?)

Just for the record, regardless of what she believes, she's wrong.

Kajirae are livestock -in the books- they can also be raped -in the books- and not just "slave rape" -which isn't actual "rape" at all.
Kajirae -in the books- where raped -as in actual traumatic sex against their will- by men who readily acknowledged raping them; hell there are example of free women being raped in the books.

There was an example of women being bred and raised in a sheltered environment with only other women, without having any knowledge at all of the outside world or the existence of men, to then, when they hit puberty to be sold off to the highest bidder without her knowledge, and during a feast -and her very first introduction to men- be gang raped.
It was said that this was often so traumatic for the girls in question that they would have to be killed after the night was over.

It's not because kajirae are livestock that they cannot be raped, and the books do acknowledge that they can be raped; it's more that because they are livestock and slaves, nobody gives a fuck if they are raped and they are expected just to deal with it. If they can't deal with it, and get PTSD, they'll be killed for being useless.

As for what people here on Earth think.
I've yet to meet a self-described Gorean that is a literalist in the text or examples of the books.
Just like Christians nowadays don't literally follow the Bible's command to kill on behalf of their God, so to do Goreans not tend to consider non-concensual rape an acceptable thing.
Consensual "slave rape" -which this topic is about- is another matter, and most every Gorean I know fully supports that idea.

BTW, the above example of the woman being gang raped is NOT an example of what is meant -in the books or here on Earth- by "slave rape" regardless of the fact that she would in fact be a slave being raped. I guess this is a good example of why the term "slave rape" can be confusing, because it doesn't mean what it literally says.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 4:54:00 PM

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Thank you Ishtarr, it's what I thought most felt, but she kind of surprised me with her answer. I wasn't sure whether she believed it really is that way, or was just talking about the books.
I appreciate your time and your well worded answer!
Have a beautiful night.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 9:06:28 PM

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Well said Ishtarr.

This is why Gor lifestyle cant be actually followed by the books. I know many people claim it & its just that a claim. There are to many people using I am Gorean & Gor isnt fair as a scape goat for their actions. But if you are going to follow it make sure you can handle the outcome.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 9:59:03 PM

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Hello DD,

Ok, I still don't get what you're saying. Can you please answer the questions I posed to you above?

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/8/2012 11:31:49 PM

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I thought Ishtarr explained it better than I could but nonetheless.

If a woman is as a kajira involved in a Gor setting, scence, play etc… And a Master takes what he wants as a Master he can. Shes involves in that role. Theres a difference between rape & rape play. Im not sure as to which your referring to exactly. If it straight out rape I dont agree at all but if its part of play then its just that play. Its consensual & not rape. If a woman wants to engage in Gor settings she needs to be full aware of what could hapen & not place theirsef in situstion.Basically what Im saying is consensual rape play isnt rape.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/9/2012 5:02:59 AM

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Hello DivineDemise;

Ishtarr did a wonderful job of explaining her views of what we were discussing, but since (the way I was reading it) you seemed to be somewhat contradicting yourself, I wanted to clarify what it is you thought and meant. Thanks so much for your answer.

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RE: Gorean slave rape - 1/9/2012 6:13:49 AM

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Sorry if I seemed that way I tend to forget train of thought at times.

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