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In current society, social skills are used more than any of our primal instincts. What of those that use deceptive methods to gain sex? Is this not a form of a breaking consent? What I mean is that many speak of consent as needing to be informed, but if someone is given misinformation, then it is seems that some of the rules of consent have been broken.
Indeed, this is legally considered rape where I live.
But only if done by a male. Go figure.
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Procreation strategies adapt to the environment, so while many years ago physically forced sex may have been more prevalent, it seems that it has been replaced with using charm, and deception to aquire sex. Why is this form of procreation strategy not spoken of as often?
For the same reason it's more interesting to blame pop culture for degenerating writing skills than to say "dang, the kids aren't rewriting their text enough times", which is the filtered feedback loop in the media. You can't tug people's heart strings with a headline about the changing targets for adaptive reproductive strategies in modern societies, or how that interacts with culture and media trends in a way that establishes large, short-term shifts that challenge the adaptive abilities of people on the low end of the ability-adaptation spectrum. So it's not an awareness-topic, and hence not an issue in the social "sciences" or related fields, and certainly not in the empty everyday conversations that serve as little more than Brownian motion of the meme-pool. Gah, can you tell I'm disgusted?
We're sidelining people, and it's having a backlash that was expected. What Rule is saying above, is that it will accelerate until we destroy ourselves by eliminating the genotype that keeps mankind from its default state of "abject poverty" (yes, that's a Heinlein). He just says it like that's a good thing, and with a defective understanding of the genes he's referencing (they are related to adversity-management and novelty-seeking, among many traits with subtle functions).
Norway is fucked up beyond belief if you're a non-socialist like myself. But there is a flip side to the coin. We have the largest set of longitudinal, whole-population statistical data on human behaviors and its genetic, relational and socioeconomic foundations, across a diverse range of subjects. For instance, studies on predisposing factors for criminal activities from the 77-81 cohort were able to clearly establish the lack of correlations that had long been assumed to exist, and the presence of correlations that have been buried too long. Similar findings are largely waiting for enough researchers to crunch the numbers, now that it's been opened up to study (much of the data runs back to WW2, some of it to WW1, and genealogies are being compiled for the post-viking era as a whole).
There is a lot of data dealing with human sexuality and crime there, and a lot of studies being shelved because of unpublishable findings (a very unfortunate trend in all "science" communities worldwide, these days; the truth has become democraticized and commercialized), but there are incidental data on it, and it corresponds well to the two cohort-studies done in Denmark on the prevalence, onset and repeat offense rate with regard to sex crimes.
As the strategies preferred by society become increasingly non-viable for a larger section of the population, the strategies employed polarize, and largely in a direction that is a matter of ability vs detectability vs tolerability. IOW, a larger segment of the populace turns to strategic equivalents of rape that they can get away with. Since we have selected for manipulation and other social skills for a long time, this means men now have more opportunities than before to act with intentions that don't benefit anyone in the long term. At least physical assault has implications for the baseline fitness of the offspring (and none as to the likelihood of the offspring doing crime unless rejected by the mother). Socialization doesn't help, because the trend outstrips adaptive function in the low ability segment, and also has significant problems with the matter of resocialization (e.g. prisons, gangs, institutions, rehab, schools, etc.) and desocialization (e.g. by rejection). It's tearing itself apart under the weight of patches sewn upon patches.
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We like to mention human advancement, but look at many of the under developed countries/regions, and some of the primal behavior being exhibited, that has been done for thousands of years. Look to even 1st world, and advanced nations during a time of natural disaster and lawlessness, humans often revert to basic primal drives. If these primal drives were eliminated, would the species be better for it, or worse? Many knee jerk reactions will say better, but remove a structured society that can impose behavioral restrictions, and what happens then?
I doubt that will be properly explored in the thread.
Nice to see you're still around, Orion. You read domestication theory recently? I found the rereads fascinating, and somewhat apropos.
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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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