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Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 11:31:42 AM   
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Hello Poly People!

i thought i would ask those who have experience, how did you explain your additional family member to your children? Close friends? Extended Family ect?

While we all live partly in this exotic world of power dynamics we also live in the real world. i think i get the power dynamic part but not the real world part.

currently i am enwombed so an additional sistersub could be explained as a nanny, but it seems very unfair to her as i want her included (nanny feels like an outsider). It would also become clear at some point she was not a nanny.

having used to live in the bay area, this never concerned me before in discussions because anything goes and there are a number of out poly families. Living in NV i am slightly more concerned, as it is more conservative with a strong Mormon base that has poly issues with their past.
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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 12:34:25 PM   
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I lived in a poly 'V' (MFM) for three years and I have a child from a previous marriage.  My child already knew I was engaged to my husband.  During that time, my ex was our friend and roommate as far as my child and everyone outside the family was concerned.  When my younger child was born, we intended for both my husband and my ex to be "Daddy" although they would go by different names.  However, the relationship ended before my younger son was two so it never mattered. 
 
I've heard of people who make the other significant other(s) [OSO] a friend of the publically perceived couple and an aunt or uncle to the child.  There are others who are open about the relationship and the child views the OSO as a parent.  How you introduce your OSO will depend largely on what the OSO wants and how s/he feels about it. 
 
I gather from your post that you have not yet found another partner and this is all theoretical.  If that's the case, then you're among the legions of unicorn hunters searching for the ellusive "third" who will want to join you, your partner, and your child.  Since there's approximately one poly female willing to join an established couple for every 100 couples searching, I don't think you really need to be concerned about it at this point.  A baby is going to devour all of your time and energy.  Focus on that rather than hypothetical scenarios.

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 12:44:07 PM   
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Yes but i am a planner and researcher, 5 moves ahead. :-D

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 1:08:13 PM   
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This is one situation in which it really doesn't pay to have a plan.  This was a hard lesson for me to learn because, like you, I am someone who organizes, researches, organizes some more and develops A Plan.  The problem is that humans have this nasty habit of refusing to fit into the nice, neat Plan.  For some strange reason they want to be viewed and treated as people instead of a placeholder in a prearranged script.  Go figure. 
 
Joking aside, the best thing you can do right now is focus on your health and that of your child.  You're probably going to spend years searching for the sister sub who will be a good fit for your family.  If/when you find her, you need to be flexible enough to incorporate her needs into the overall design of your family unit without any preconceived ideas of how things "should" go.

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 5:44:48 PM   
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Well i have the same question as the op.Master has 5 and i have one on the way.

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 8:33:23 PM   
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This is a writing that my girl Kyra wrote some time ago.... It will give you some insight how we three live our poly life with kids.

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A topic that people often ask about is living poly and/or M/s while also living with kids. We are a poly M/s family. The three of us live together and we have four children that range in age from 11 - 17. We have lived together since December of 2007 and have been in a relationship since April of 2005 when the kids ages were between 6-12. The youngest two children cannot vividly remember a time that I was not in their life.

His parents know, Alandra's mom knows and my parents have a really good idea but they have no desire to know the details. For all of them, what is important is that we are happy and the kids are happy. As a family friend, who is a catholic priest, describes our relationship, we are a 'marriage of three'. That is how we live our life.

We do not hide that the three of us are in a relationship inside our home (outside our home we are more discreet depending on where we are). We do not hide that he is the boss in our relationship. The kids are fully aware that daddy is the ultimate decision maker in the family. They are also aware that Alandra and I need his permission to do certain things.

As an example, she and I are not allowed to have junk food without his permission. When the oldest makes cookies she will ask me if I want her to save me cookie dough so I can 'ask dad for some'. She will also hear me ask permission for it and the once she didn't hear me ask permission for a second spoonful and when I went to get it she said "Hey you only asked permission for one spoonful". I just looked at her with a little grin and stuck the spoon in my mouth. Her comment then was “I guess you asked for a second one”. They all know that he is the boss and that mom and I would not disobey him.

They know that our relationship is different and that others will not have a relationship like ours. They see Alandra and I tie his shoes, put his jacket on, lay out his clothes and we also refer to him as 'my Lord' in front of them. They also know that we all sleep in the same bed and they see physical affection that is appropriate between the three of us. We hug, kiss, hold hands, cuddle and to them it is normal behavior for their family.

They also know that I am fiercely protective of their mom and will not let them get away with being disrespectful to her. They know that mom and I let dad fight his own battles. They know that when mom and I speak that it is as good as dad telling them to do it. He is the ultimate decision maker and we are his senior officers carrying out his orders.

We have all three gone to parent teacher conferences for the kids. We went for the oldest last year in the 11th grade and her teacher's comments were "Wow, it is great to see so many people caring about her education". The teacher didn’t ask any questions about who I was or what I was doing there; she just thought it wonderful that our daughter had three adults caring about her education.

The kids refer to me as "Mom's friend" at school and they understand that some things are private and for family only. The youngest has had a friend over many times and his comment is "It is so cool that you have two moms". His parents are split up and he has a single mom. He thought it was awesome that his friend had two moms. At various times all the kids have referred to me as mom, then they kind of laugh or shake their head at themselves and say “I mean Kyra”.

The kids are also aware that in having three adults in the house that they get privileges that they otherwise would not be able to enjoy. Having three incomes in the house greatly increases our ability to do entertaining things like spend two weeks at Disney World, send the oldest two girls to New York on a school trip, put all three girls are in dance, we have several gaming systems, computers, large house, multiple pets, multiple cars.... All things that are not necessities that mine and Alandra's incomes makes possible and the only debt we have is a mortgage.

Also all three of us are on the title of the house and vehicles. We all share bank accounts, though there are several so that certain funds come out of one and not the other. Our life is extremely integrated together and the kids know this and there is no negative impact on their life. They have sleepover parties, hot tub parties, birthday parties, friends over, boyfriends over and any of the other normal kid stuff.

At one point a boyfriend was over and our daughter was supposed to be doing dishes, but she had her boyfriend doing them. She was standing in the doorway of the kitchen making sure he did it right. As she is standing there she realizes that her shoe is untied and she very casually says “Oh look, my shoe is untied”. Her boyfriend stops washing her dishes, walks over, kneels down and ties her shoes. When he is done, she thanks him and he goes back to washing her dishes. So just because she sees her female parental figure submitting, she knows she can make her own choice for her relationships.

The bonus for the kids is that they have three adults to turn to when they need or want us. Just recently our oldest came to us wanting birth control pills. She had a boyfriend and she wanted to have the option open to have sex with him. Alandra and I spent a lot of time talking with her about the pros and cons of having sex and the comfort level is strong enough that she even talked to her dad about it. We didn’t freak out over her request, but we did make her do research. She was telling a friend about what she asked us and her friends comment was “YOU DID WHAT!! You told your parents!” Then our daughter said, “Yeah, I have to do research about it”. He friend laughed and said “another research project from your parents”.

Apparently we have her research a lot of things from her friend’s perspective. This is the same friend that came and sat with Alandra and me during our daughter’s last birthday party. All the kids were downstairs and her friend would come upstairs to sit and hang out with me and Alandra. She doesn’t have as comfortable of a relationship with her mom and envies our daughter’s relationship with us.

In the end, our daughter broke up with her boyfriend without having sex. It was a rather painful breakup because he lied to her about prior sexual information with regards to her health and she felt betrayed. We were there for her then too; we supported her in her decisions and in grieving over the loss of the relationship.

Honestly, I could go on and on about all these little examples that show how well the three of us fit together and how happy the kids are in an open poly M/s relationship. Alandra and I use hand signals to ask permission to speak with him. They work so well that a few of the kids have picked up the habit as well. They will try to get their dad’s attention verbally and if that doesn’t work, they will use a hand signal and it works really well. They haven’t been told to do this, they just see what works for us and they are learning the most effective way to communicate with their dad as a result.

This is just a small taste of what we as a family are like. The M/s activities and poly life for us is not special or feared in this house. It is a life that we embrace and acknowledge with the children as being different and unique from the norm of society. Of course, what is the norm? We are living our way of life in a manner that is enhancing and growing for all members of our family even though it’s not the way of most.


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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/21/2011 11:14:11 PM   
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I'm glad you asked this question, because while not poly (or in any relationship at present), I have always wondered how that works. I can fathom poly, but not while my lil one, is still lil. M

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/22/2011 1:31:07 PM   
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KoM, thank you for sharing that piece.  I really enjoyed it.

Things were a little different in our house.  The first D/s age appropriate explanations happened before I even married MP.  They understood that.  Then, in addition, they also understood that MP wasn't submissive and that I wanted to have one of each.  (One husband who was equal in power and one sub who wasn't.)  They understood the difference and when I said, "My sub" they knew what I was talking about.  I don't think I introduced them to the word "poly" until I had pet.  They were well acquainted with the concept by the time that clip came along.

Friends and extended family?  We're pretty "out".  Friends more so than extended family.  There are certain family members where it just doesn't get brought up.  I think My father is the only one left, but that has more to do with our relationship than anything else.  Work associates are pretty much a case by case basis.  Mine all knew.  The two males don't especially have that freedom.  MP has the least amount due to his career.  In clip's case, when the opportunity is present, he's more than happy to explain his life.


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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/22/2011 2:43:11 PM   
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Personally, I think LP and KOM should get together and write the definitive guide...

...but that just may be me

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/22/2011 7:37:38 PM   
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i thank you KoM. That is very much how i want my Triad to work, by my i mean Husbands. i want that affinity with a sister sub and i want my children to have affinity and love for her too. i also want them to listen to her as they would me or Husband. i found that taking care of children is easier with another woman around, and in SF the women often got together for play dates. It was better for the children and for us, great sanity saver. i want this kind of family and i want to be open in the family unit. More people loving my current children, child to be, and in theory sister subs children seems like a win. Again i have been the big push for a sister sub and Husband is kind enough to explore this idea.

i do find many women(unicorns i get it) don't know what PolyFi is and really truly want a Male Dom, and if he has a sub she really did not care to be part of a poly household, just an additional sub to Husband. We are only starting to figure this out. i also think that unicorn hunters should not settle for the first female that agrees to join a household, they should like all relationships understand if the unicorn fits a household. Did others have the same issue when hunting?

On a side note KoM I have always loved the photo you use as a profile.

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/22/2011 7:43:45 PM   
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SexyBossyBBW I wonder about your comment about while your child is still lil. It seems the younger the kids are the more able they are to see things as normal. I know a number of GLBT families who were straight mothers and fathers, when they came out their children were middle school to high school age the kids were devastation. Some became vehemently angry joining anti gay religious groups. Of course some of the kids really did not care or suspected it all along. However the elementary age kids had fewer issues. Oh daddy likes boys can i have my cookie now.


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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/23/2011 1:38:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

This is a writing that my girl Kyra wrote some time ago.... It will give you some insight how we three live our poly life with kids.



I didn't use the whole quote here because it is longer than most, but I just wanted to say with all sincerity that this is one of the very most positive posts on this subject that I have ever seen. I am very glad to see joy in any form. Strangely enough, these comments come from a girl in a monogamous-by-choice marriage; however, I understand about poly, admire it even, and I know greatness when I see it. Salutations!

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RE: Poly with Kids - 5/23/2011 4:28:45 PM   
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I WANT TO THANK YOU ALOT KOM AND MASTER SAID HE ENJOYED IT ALSO WHEN I READ IT TO HIM

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RE: Poly with Kids - 6/8/2011 6:33:39 PM   
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I have to agree with the other posters about Kyra's writing that Knight of Mists posted. I think that is an absolutely wonderful post and clearly states how the family is managed.

My Lord, is married and has 2 um. Both kids have seen myself and his wife's boyfriend at their house, being open with our affections for one another, being part of the family. The boyfriend and I don't live with them, just due to space issues, but the emotional attachment is still very high. My Lord and his wife have listed myself and the boyfriend as two other/alternate people who can pull the kids out of school if there is an emergency. If Dad is making dinner and Mom is working late, we help with homework. We have keys to the home and will start dinner, ask if homework has been started, etc. All the usual parenting tricks.

Just for the record, my kink is not explicit when the kids are around, there will be the subtle requests and such that get followed, but nothing overt. My kink is also not overt when his wife is at home. She knows there is kink, but she has no interest and does not want details. Again, subtlety is key.

Both children are completely accepting of these other adults in their life, we've always been there. My Lord's daughter has already said that she wants a husband and boyfriend "just like Mommy".

I truly believe that children seeing their parents show love and affection to the people in their family circle or intimate dynamic is not going to harm anyone. If they have questions, answer honestly with an nod to the age, to keep it appropriate.

Keep it simple. Most kids can tell if you are spinning something. Just keep it simple. Don't give a college answer to 10 year old.

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RE: Poly with Kids - 6/8/2011 8:51:00 PM   
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Thank you everyone for the comments with regards to Kyra's writing. It was written about a year ago and not really much has changed except more stories to share of our commitment together. I could spend days speaking about my approaches in living my lifestyle in a manner that allows everyone including the children to thrive. Our eldest is into college and on her way to her desire to become a teacher. Our second is ending her grade 11 and fast approaching the beginnings of her young adult life. The two youngest are stepping into teenage years where the core of their personality is just beginning to bubble through in full force. It is rather exciting to watch them grow and develop into adulthood even though at times we are challenged and worry about their future. It is particularly challenging to help them to grow from the healthy dependency as children into a thriving independent young adults. Teaching and guiding them to make thoughtful choices in life and avoiding responding to irresponsible impulses requires us to put our best effort forward everyday in the same direction rather than against each other. Building the trust and confidence in our children is a life time commitment where we are continually learning on how to achieve our goals for them. Most importantly it is accepting and letting them reach a point to choose thier own goals for themselves. It is my view that noble pursuits with noble methods is a healthy environment of raising the children within our poly M/s lifestyle and will allow us all to thrive.

Again, thank you everyone.

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