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This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thread. - 5/24/2011 6:20:40 AM

magdalaina

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To any who hear me,
Sarcasm always makes me think a person is losing the argument emotionally, even if they have facts on their side.
I will not try to correct a Master in his thoughts on rape/non-rape. I try to ask questions as I was taught in the places I lived in the lifestyle in the late 70s as a young woman.
With that thought, is this no longer the Gorean prevailing custom? Is it appropriate for a slave to contradict a Master? In my past I frankly would have expected a slap, and a dismissal from his feet to be ignored in the corner at the least.
However, if I had confusion or other thoughts, civil discussion and questions on my part would usually be acceptable. But sarcasm and statements of absolutism would earn me no such pleasant discourse.
This post is offered in complete sincerity with no ulterior designs. It is a question only.
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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 7:24:58 AM

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Only the moderators set the rules, and I have found that trying to enforce some type of unofficial code just causes more posts and nothing can be done about it. Someone on here once said there is no need to have a rule that cannot be enforced.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 7:36:16 AM

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This one begs your pardon master. I misspoke if it was understood to be that I desired to set a rule. I was referring to courtesy more than anything else. And thank you for your's.
However I still wonder at a slave contradicting a Master. Does this not merit displeasure these days? m

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 7:43:31 AM

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On the internet, I don't take much seriously, especially after some of my experiences. Too much fantasy, and not enough reality. Now if I know the person or their owner a bit better, it would depend on whether I felt the contradiction was just to argue, or offer another view. If the latter, then I see no harm in adding to discussion.

This is not always how I have felt, but things change.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 10:29:29 AM

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However I still wonder at a slave contradicting a Master. Does this not merit displeasure these days? m

Where did a slave contradict a Master?

And if you assume that a slave contradicting a free man warrants displeasure then what do you think that a slave questioning how a free man handles slaves merits?

Have you considered that the free around these parts may have reasons why they act the way they do that you're not privy to?

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 11:03:46 AM

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My communication skills must truely be lacking. This was a straightforward question. I am asking if contradicting a master as I saw on the referenced thread no longer merits in general displeasure or punishment. I was not saying the Masters are incorrect in allowing slaves to contradict them. I was asking if it was now a permitted behavior. It was not a criticism.
It is difficult to ask questions on this site as I am asking because I need infomation and I often get what appears to be accusations of ulterior motives as responses.m

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 11:15:34 AM

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magdalaina,

The easiest way to find out what is displeasing to men is to just be yourself, they will let you know. Just as with slaves, who have different desires or needs, men also have a variety of behaviors they find pleasing, or not. You can't find a general, across the board answer.

Trying to second guess, using others as examples, never bodes well, since you have no way of knowing if that slave in question has received private messages on that very behavior. It always comes across as one slave pointing out another's shortcomings, something better left to the free.

JMHO, hope that helps with your questions.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 11:17:38 AM

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And I asked you 3 questions in return, all of which you apparently chose not to answer. It goes to show that one will not always get the answers they expect to the questions they ask.

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Please. I am asking for information.. not criticizing - 5/24/2011 11:26:42 AM

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Thank you Lisa.
That is my rl experience in vanilla life. But I was not sure how strictly such things were enforced these days in Gorean circles. My far past experience in the 70s in three different settings would all have had hard and fast rules on this issue. I am still surprised that in most instances I am allowed to speak first to a free even in greeting. *laughs* I would not have been allowed that where I came from. Life changes and so I must learn new things. m

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 11:40:51 AM

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And I asked you 3 questions in return, all of which you apparently chose not to answer. It goes to show that one will not always get the answers they expect to the questions they ask.

I did not know if these were rhetorical or you truely wanted me to answer.

Where did a slave contradict a Master?
I saw females disputing statements by Males who were not slaves in several threads. My thought was I saw what appeared to be slaves contradicting Masters. I did not wish to judge others.

And if you assume that a slave contradicting a free man warrants displeasure then what do you think that a slave questioning how a free man handles slaves merits?
In my own experience I was always allowed to ask questions. I was not allowed to make judgements. If the Free here do not wish me to ask questions in this forum, I was unaware.

Have you considered that the free around these parts may have reasons why they act the way they do that you're not privy to?
And the third question my answer is I don't know their reasons. But simply reading and not asking questions does not help me learn. So I asked the question.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 10:18:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: magdalaina

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Where did a slave contradict a Master?

I saw females disputing statements by Males who were not slaves in several threads. My thought was I saw what appeared to be slaves contradicting Masters. I did not wish to judge others.

Which females, which posts?
Apparently you're seeing things on this board I don't see.
Either way, if you're going to claim something happened and somebody asks you to show them where, be specific dammit...

My guess is you are referring to barelynagel, in which case, you're just utterly wrong considering the fact that she is a woman who is free, not a slave, and thus is free to question any man to the extend she choses.

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
And if you assume that a slave contradicting a free man warrants displeasure then what do you think that a slave questioning how a free man handles slaves merits?

In my own experience I was always allowed to ask questions. I was not allowed to make judgements. If the Free here do not wish me to ask questions in this forum, I was unaware.

You made a judgement when you said: "Sarcasm always makes me think a person is losing the argument emotionally, even if they have facts on their side." and your questions where passive aggressive at best, baiting at worse.

If you wish to come here and act as if you where a slave, you better step it up and clean up your act, because the "holier than thou" attitude with which you where implying that females on this board weren't held to the "correct" Gorean standard is distasteful.
You say that in your past you would have expected to be punished for the "contradicting of a Master" you allege to have happened and if that's the case, I would ask you how you would expect to have been handled for the tone you took in this thread.
The Gorean men I know would have whipped you had you taken a tone like this with them in person.

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ORIGINAL: magdalaina

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
Have you considered that the free around these parts may have reasons why they act the way they do that you're not privy to?

And the third question my answer is I don't know their reasons. But simply reading and not asking questions does not help me learn. So I asked the question.

If you want to behave like a kajira, maybe you should try sticking to simply asking questions, instead of making allegations, implying things, judging and being passive aggressive...

< Message edited by Ishtarr -- 5/24/2011 10:24:08 PM >

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/24/2011 10:57:49 PM

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With that thought, is this no longer the Gorean prevailing custom? Is it appropriate for a slave to contradict a Master? In my past I frankly would have expected a slap, and a dismissal from his feet to be ignored in the corner at the least.

In a Gorean environment things would be different. Or at least, in every Gorean environment I've ever been in. But here, there's nothing we can do about it. This is simply the Gorean Lifestyles discussion forum on a large BDSM board. We don't make the rules about what's allowed. We do, however, respect the customs of the people we are among. As it is the Gorean custom to do.

K.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/25/2011 5:55:11 AM

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Thank you Master.

Edited. Because I cannot make myself heard clearly by Ishtarr and only seem to displease.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/25/2011 6:10:02 AM

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>>>Thank you Master.

Ishtarr, I have submitted my posts to two Masters for their perusal. They know me and saw nothing of what you saw. I have read and re-read them. I am simple. I do not use sarcasm as it usually makes me fail at my arguments. I am not holier than anyone or better than those in the posts. As you cannot hear my tone, but assume it to be unpleasant I can see why you might say the things you do. I assure you my tone was not passive agressive nor was it to malign anyone. If a Free had truely heard what you think you heard, then it is likely I would be punished as you say.

Each of my responses to you, Ishtarr have been met with what appears to me anger from you. Your questions to me have been rapid fire bullets that seem designed to wound.
I came here to ask questions and learn. Are you to be my teacher? If so this is not a place for me to learn. My voice is quiet when I say this. My words have no other meaning but to say I feel your words and they make me want to retreat again into silence.

And then she goes and openly does just what she is accused of.

At least there is no doubt, this time.

As I have stated many times before: Discussion boards, for potential Gorean slaves who are weak of will, are nothing but traps.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/25/2011 6:20:29 AM

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My apologies to any I have offended. I will remain quiet here. Better to be thought a fool than to open my mouth and prove it.

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RE: Please. I am asking for information.. not criticizing - 5/25/2011 6:21:39 AM

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But I was not sure how strictly such things were enforced these days in Gorean circles.

The difficulty comes in when defining places like CollarMe.com or Fetlife.com (or any BDSM site) as a "Gorean Circle(s)".

These places are anything but. There are a few Goreans here and a couple over there, to be sure, but this is not a Gorean community. Far from it.

There are few, if any, left online these days.

Because in pursuance of the subs and the ability to sit in some make-believe paga tavern, it is the way most of the people wanted it.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/25/2011 7:06:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: magdalaina

Edited. Because I cannot make myself heard clearly by Ishtarr and only seem to displease.

Distaste and annoyance sweetie... not anger...

And even if I wasn't able to read the post you deleted that Bear reposted you shown in this reply alone again what it is that annoys me about you.
You're an unowned woman presenting herself as if she was a slave girl, and trying to hold herself to the protocol expected of a slave, yet you manage to imply that the failing of our communication is my fault, instead of just apologizing and leaving it at that.
Again, you realize that nothing short of a sincere apology would be expected of an actual kajira and that any sort of insinuation that it's the free person's fault like you did would get her beat, right?

Considering that you're going to be utterly unable to actually act like a slave unless you become mastered and actually become a slave, maybe you should quit while you're ahead and behave truthfully as to the type of woman you currently are; if not and you insist to try and behave as if you're an owned slave, I will keep holding you to the standard I actually expect of an owned kajira...

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/25/2011 7:41:33 AM

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Yes it would.
Speaking before thinking has gotten me a beating before.
Learning.

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/26/2011 8:47:17 AM

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Greetings, girl.

It is rarely mentioned, but the FW of this cyber Home Stone are all former slaves who could not hack it. I urge you to be a slave to Men, and continue to strive to be pleasing as is a natural reaction. As in the books, the Free Women who are cruellist and despise slave girls the most are the ones who would be best served with a collar and a beating. FW will nit pick at protocol but Men will judge you only by whether you are pleasing or not.

Some of the former slaves are simply not worth the effort to try to correct. You will see barely run her mouth off without Men stepping in because it is not worth the effort to tame a she-urt.

Serve well.

-Just an Observation

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RE: This is primarily in regards to the Gorean Rape thr... - 5/26/2011 10:50:39 AM

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Cyber Home Stone? Sounds like an onlinism to me.

Could not hack it as a slave? Well some are made to be slaves, and some are not. Admitting that you are not a slave, when in fact that is truth, is not a bad thing. In fact if being a slave is not where you should be within the order of nature, then to force it would be against Gorean Morality.

Some Free Women, and Free Men are bitter and hard on slaves. Doubt you could gain any psychological insights from just a few words.

I suppose you speak for all Men?

Your newly created profile seems to be more of a sock puppet, or an onliner that wandered in.

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ORIGINAL: JustAStranger

Greetings, girl.

It is rarely mentioned, but the FW of this cyber Home Stone are all former slaves who could not hack it. I urge you to be a slave to Men, and continue to strive to be pleasing as is a natural reaction. As in the books, the Free Women who are cruellist and despise slave girls the most are the ones who would be best served with a collar and a beating. FW will nit pick at protocol but Men will judge you only by whether you are pleasing or not.

Some of the former slaves are simply not worth the effort to try to correct. You will see barely run her mouth off without Men stepping in because it is not worth the effort to tame a she-urt.

Serve well.

-Just an Observation

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