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kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/14/2006 2:45:08 PM   
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Here I sit all vexed… by I am sure you all know what… So I done the reasonable thing and studied the books. In studying the books I noticed that in Marauders, that the bond-maid was treated a bit more harshly than a kajira. So my question is this; would it be harsher to make a kajira into a bond-maid or set her free?
 
I would appreciate any informed opinions citing and quoting from the books followed by personal opinions.
 
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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/14/2006 2:51:31 PM   
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hmmm I always thought the bonds maids were allowed a bit more sass than your average slave girl... the cultures of the "North" were a bit more harsh in general than the more citified folk.

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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/14/2006 3:07:55 PM   
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Dear Masters, Mistress's and fellow slaves,

A slave is a slave be it kajira or bondsmaid. a kajira can live just as harsh a life as a bondsmaid. especially if she is a peasants girl or a slave girl of the nomads of gor. kajira and bondsmaid is just a different name for slave. either way a slaves life on gor would never be easy anyways. Only difference may be is culterial  way they collar the girls. a bondsmaid is thrown into a  bondsmaid circle or forced into it to symbolize what she is. a kajira would take a position of submission to symbolize her's. Another difference is a bondsmaid may be a bit more full figured than the kajira as the Men of the north tend to prefer a slave with a lil more meat on their bones.especially the bossom area. Other than that they are treated as the beasts they are!! slavegirls!!!! To answer Your question about if it would be cruel to make a kajira a bondsmaid or a Free. The answer of course would be free. once a girl has had a taste of what being a slave truly is it would by far be worse to make her a Free Woman.

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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/14/2006 3:49:32 PM   
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Here are a couple excerpts that motivated the post.

Some say the master belt gets its name be cause it is used sometimes in the disciplining of bond-maids. This seems to be a doubtful origin for the name.  It is true, however, questions of the origin of the name aside, that bond-maids, stripped, are often taught obedience under its lash.


In this punishment, the girl, clothed or unclothed, is bound tightly on an oar, hands behind her, her head down, toward the blade. When the oar lifts from the water she gasps for breath, only in another moment to be submerged again. A recalcitrant girl may be kept on the oar for hours. There is also, however, some danger in this, for sea sleen and the white sharks of the north occasionally attempt to tear such a girl from the oar. When food is low it is not unknown for the men of Torvaldsland to use a bond-maid, if one is avail-able on the ship, for bait in such a manner. The least pleasing girl is always used. This practice, of course, encourages bond-maids to vie vigorously to please their masters. An Ahn on the oar is usually more than sufficient to make the coldest and proudest of females an obedient, eager-to-please bond-maid. It is regarded as second only to the five-lash Gorean slave whip, used also in the south, and what among the men of Torvaldsland is called the whip of the furs, in which the master, with his body, incontrovertibly teaches the girl her slavery.


"Do not disturb the pieces," said Ivar, getting up. He said to Gorm, "Take the first bond=maid and draw her up the mast." Then he said to two others of his men, "Unbind the ankles of the other bond-maids and thrust them to the rail, where they may be seen." Then he said to the rowers on the starboard side, "When I give the signal, let us display to Thorgard of Scagnar what we can of the riches of the tem-ple of Kassau!"

The blond, slender girl’s wrists were now fettered before her body, and a rope attached to the fetters. It was thrown over the spar. Her hands were jerked over her head. Then, by her fettered wrists, she moaning, her naked body twisting against the mast, foot by foot, she was drawn to five feet below the spar. She dangled there, in pain, her body that of a stripped bond-maid, exquisite, tempting, squirming, a taunt to the blood of the men of Thorgard of Scagnar.


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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/14/2006 8:52:26 PM   
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Wulfchyld,
Allow me shed some light on the subject.. a female slave can be called kajira or bond-maid, but the kicker so to speak
is the regional aspect and their attitude to their sisters in slavery.

Those of the North tend to exhibit disdain for any other slave girl, thinking them soft and pampered.. nicknamed silk girls.
Those among the Wagon People or Red Savages do the same towards the girls of the Cities and Ports.. tho they call them pierced ear girls.
City / Port females do the same to the Ship of Acquisition girls from Earth or the loot from Raids.. refering to them as barbarians not fit to pleasure any Master..

Full circle as you can see, tho they all are the same.. females in collars doing the bidding of their Master's in all things.



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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/14/2006 9:11:49 PM   
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Bondsmaid is the title given to female slaves in Torvaldsland. They are expected to be bold,lively, vivacious, spontaneous, and utterly free with their bodies and emotions. To put it simply bondsmaids are not your typical reserves slave girl that you would find in the south.
 
It was said that the slaves in the southern regions where pampered girls who primped and sat upon pillows while the bondsmaids worked and worked hard.It is also said that the punishments in the north where swift and harsh.
 
So yes, in many aspects it is said that the life of a bondsmaid was harsher than that of a southern silk girl, it was based on region not as a punishment.

I hope this helped understand some.
 
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Nika

In the crowd, too, much in evidence, were brazen bond-maids; they had been brought to the thing, generally, by captains and Jarls; it is not unusual for men to bring such slaves with them, though they are not permitted near the law courts or the assemblies of deliberation; the voyages to the thing were not, after all, ventures of raiding; they were not enterprises of warfare; there were three reasons for bringing such girls; they were for the pleasure of men; they served, as display objects, to indicate the wealth of their masters; and they could be bought and sold.

The Forkbeard had bought with him, too, some bond-maids. They followed us. Their eyes were bright; their steps were eager; they had been long isolated on the farm; rural slave girls, the Forkbeard’s wenches, they were fantastically stimulated to see the crowds; they looked upon the thing-fields with pleasure and excitement; even had they been permitted, some of them, to look upon certain of the contests. It is said that such pleasures improve a female slave. Sometimes, in the south, female slaves are dressed in the robes of free women, even veiled, and taken by their masters to see the tarn races, or games, or songs-dramas; many assume that she, sitting regally by his side, is a companion, or being courted for the companionship; only he and she know that their true relation is that of master and slave girl; but when they return home, and the door to his compartment closes, their charade done, she immediately strips to brand and collar, and kneels, head to his feet, once again only an article of his property; how scandalized would have been the free woman, had they known that, next to them perhaps, had been sitting a girl who was only slave; but there were no disguises in Torvaldsland; there was no mistaking that the girls that followed the Forkbeard, or "Thorgeir of Ax Glacier," were bond; to better display his pets, and excite the envy of others, the Forkbeard had had his girls drop their kirtles low upon their hips, and hitch them high, that their beauty might be well exhibited, from their collars to some inches below their navels, and, too, that the turns of their calves and ankles might be similarly displayed; I would have thought that they might have groaned with humiliation and attempted to hide themselves among us, but, instead, even Pudding and Thyri, they walked as proud, shameless bond-maid; the exposure of the females navel, on Gor, is known as the "slave belly"; only female slaves expose their navels; from a vendor, the Forkbeard bought his girls honey cake; with their fingers they ate it eagerly, crumbs at the side of their mouths.

"Look!" cried Pudding. "A silk girl!" The expression "silk girl" is used, often, among bond-maids of the north, to refer to their counterparts in the south. The expression reflects their belief that such girls are spoiled, excessively pampered, indulged and coddled, sleek pets, who have little to do but adorn themselves with cosmetics and await their masters, cuddled cutely, on plush, scarlet coverlets, fringed with gold. There is some envy in this charge, I think. More literally, the expression tends to be based on the fact that the brief slave tunic of the south, the single garment permitted the female slave, is often silk. Southern girls, incidentally, in my opinion, though scarcely as worked as their northern sisters in bondage, a function of the economic distinction between the farm and the city, are often worked, and worked hard, particularly if they have not pleased their masters. Yet, I think their labors less than those often performed by the wife of Earth. This is a consequence of Gor’s simpler culture, in which there is literally less to do, less to clean, less to care for , and so on, and also of the fact that the Gorean master, if pleased with the wench, takes care that she is fresh and ready for the couch. An overworked, weary woman, despondent and tired, is less responsive to her master’s touch; she does not squirm as well. The Gorean master, treating her as the animal she is, works and handles her in such a way that the responses of his passionate, exciting, hot-eyed, slim-legged pet are kept honed to perfection. Some men are better at this, of course, than others. There are scrolls, books, on Gor, which may be purchased inexpensively, on the feeding, care, and training of female slaves. There are others who claim, as would be expected, that the handling of a slave girl, in order to get the most out of her, is an inborn gift. Incidentally, for what it is worth, though the southern girl is, I expect, worked less hard then the northern girl, who is commonly kept isolated on the farm, she is more often than her northern sister put to the switch or whip; I think she lives under a harsher discipline; southern masters are harder with their girls, expecting more from them and seeing that they get it; northern girls, for example, are seldom trained in the detailed, intricate sensuous arts of the female slave; the southern girl, to her misery, must often learn these to perfection; moreover, upon command, she must perform, joyfully and skillfully.
The silk girl was heeling her master, a captain of Torvaldsland. She wore, indeed, a brief tunic of the south, of golden silk. She wore a collar of gold, and, hanging in her ears, were loops of gold.
"High-farm girls!" she whispered, as she passed the bond-maids of Ivar Forkbeard. In the south the southern slave girl commonly regards her northern counterparts as bumpkins, dolts from the high farms on the slopes of the mountains of Torvaldsland; she thinks of them as doing little but swilling tarsk and dunging fields; she regards them as, essentially, nothing more than a form of bosk cow, used to work, to give simple pleasure to rude men, and to breed thralls.
"Cold fish!" cried out Pudding. "Stick!" cried out Pouting Lips.
The silk girl, passing them, did not appear to hear them. "Pierced-ear girl!" screamed Pouting lips.
The silk girl turned, stricken. She put her hands to her ears. There were sudden tears in her eyes. Then weeping, she turned away, her head in her hands, and fled after her master.
marauders.....chapter 10 

 
 
 
 


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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/15/2006 8:58:49 PM   
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Let me reply by asking a question:

"Are a coleen from Ireland, a lass from Scotland, and english rose from England, a shiela from Aussie, a maori girl from New Zealand, a Californian beach girl, a native American lass from the reservation, an African Amerinan girl from NY, a Japanese girl from Tokio, or a girl from Danmark not all girls? Or are they different because of their heritahe, nationality, or location of residence or even colour?"

Surely thay are all girls with diferences?


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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/16/2006 3:40:12 PM   
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Yes, Master Ironbear your correct
but allow this one to say this
I was trained in Torvaldsland (IRC gor) they work harder, and are more likely to be a little more spunky. at least on IRC that is...but a Bondsmaid and a kajira are one in the same, a kajira is the Gorean word for SLAVE....bondsmaid is just a nickname for them....due to the fact that they come from the northern regions of Gor....hope that helped a little bit...and if I'm out of place speaking i appologise!

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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/16/2006 5:39:20 PM   
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Agreed dixie, logic whould have that people in those northern climes, due to their seasons and the long nights etc would have to work as hard as possible when the conditions made it possible to be able to survive during the winters....

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RE: kajira vs Bond-maid - 5/16/2006 11:36:42 PM   
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It would depend on wether the Master wanted her for simply a bond-maid or a kajira of course

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