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On the subject of collars.... - 6/19/2011 4:44:21 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Another thread (kajira collaring in real life) had me thinking....so I brought it here, rather then uproot the original.

Women, how do you react when approached by a man who doesn't, make your knees bend?   I understand the whole concept of obeying gorean men when in their vicinity, but if confronted with one who for whatever reason, isn't gorean, and doesn't have the aura of dominance, what do you do?  

Such as having a man ask you to accept his collar, hoping you will accept, without having the..for lack of a better word, gorean attitude?   Do you laugh, call him weak, politely ask him to go away....or?  

Most times, the man leaves the woman with no choice, she absolutely must beg his collar, but I wondered how the women here deal with a man who has missed this portion of the program?

Lisa



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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/20/2011 6:29:09 AM   
RenaOfLydius


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Status: offline 		Hi Lisa, this is a difficult question because we are not really even on Gor. Otherwise it would be easy. But here is always the real life in the background. What I think it is this: If someone want to enslave me, then of course I play that I do not want. I refer to a be free woman and that I lived always a free life. Everything else follows from it. Most men will give up in this situation. Ok, then you'll not get a collar, but also not the wrong master. I would accept just anyone as the master who persists to own me in spite of my refusal. You must still somewhat less reluctant. Go playing it. Then the thing keeps its charm.
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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/20/2011 2:46:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RenaOfLydius

we are not really even on Gor.

If someone want to enslave me, then of course I play that I do not want.

Go playing it. Then the thing keeps its charm.
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Rena



Greetings Rena,

I cut up the quote and only used the real shaking my head bits.

I know that I am not on Gor, I tend to embrace the thoughts behind the words, the philos. I do not play at being Gorean, the mental attitude that I have during my daily life is what I precieve a Gorean free man to have. Playing is for the BDSM arena, living is for the Gorean arena. The charm is lost in the Gorean life as it is just a way of life in the Gorean way. I just see the kajira living her life as the owner sees fit, he says she does. The word...no...is never in her vocabulary. The way he acts and lives HIS life has a female doing what comes naturally, wanting to follow him and have her breath being taken away everytime she hears his voice, he walks into the room, he touches her, those times are the ones that the female begs for the collar. She does not want those times to leave from her life, so she begs for the steel so that they continue day in and day out.

That is what Lisa was talking about, not playing about a collar, but breathing for it.

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/22/2011 3:14:01 PM   
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how the women here deal with a man who has missed this portion of the program


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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/23/2011 8:53:38 AM   
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Message follows: Gor is not about slavery as BDSM is not about play and collars are willingly and earnestly begged for in both. Only.

It is what it is.

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/23/2011 10:04:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

collars are willingly and earnestly begged for in both. Only.



I saw this on the scroll and wondered what fantasyland we were talking about.

OP, while I am not Gorean, I respect the ways of others (as far as I am able; sometimes I am just not able). You have to set the parameters for your own life, and if "begging a collar in earnest" is what is right to you, and you will be happy with nothing else, then that is what you must do. If someone thinks your relationship is more advanced than it is, and offers you a collar, and it is not what you're looking for, then do what is best for you. If politely saying "I'm very honored, however, I don't think we're on the same page" is where your heart is, then that is what you say.

If laughing in his face is how you can sleep at night, then carry on.

In any case, I would NOT say, "you're not doing it right, collars are willingly and earnestly begged for... only."

Best wishes to you.

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/23/2011 10:37:27 AM   
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Earth to Gor. Earth to Gor.
Message follows: Gor is not about slavery as BDSM is not about play and collars are willingly and earnestly begged for in both. Only.

It is what it is.

I apologize for intruding on the Gorean forum, but statements like the highlighted above are just so much horse hockey that somebody must be living in a barn.

For somebody who brags so much that they are a member of The Mark, which, let's face it is the big ass hairy fucking deal that you paid the membership, read the dungeon rules, and paid the fee, you should be one of the first people with the common sense that there are plenty of people doing this for the sadism and/or masochism and not a shred more.  Perhaps you just don't see them because it's too difficult to get a look when one's head is shoved too far up their own ass.


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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 6/23/2011 1:48:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the person making the comment already knows they are not well regarded by people that actually know what they are talking about. It is futile to get them to admit otherwise. They mainly only come to this section to troll and bait, now. Not sure how it is when they offer their supposed expert opinion in the other sections.

BTW, hiya LP and CalifChick.

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/22/2011 2:04:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sir told me once, that he has never collared a female. Rather, he has given them a collar and told them to collar themselves which they have done.
Upon telling me this, I said to him that I would do no such thing. If I were to wear a collar, it would be one that on my knees I would ask for, but it would be his collar and one he places on me. Otherwise no...


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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/22/2011 6:05:44 AM   
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Not sure how it is when they offer their supposed expert opinion in the other sections.


Pretty much the same reaction he gets here Orion. I don't think there is a single place on CM where he is welcome and seen as the awesome knows it all dominate dude he thinks he is.

In answer to the OP, if that happens I say thanks but no thanks. It's pointless to start something with a man who isn't what I'm looking for. It'll just end up frustrating for the both of us. If he insists on continuing I ignore him (if online) or simply walk away if we've met.

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/23/2011 6:36:44 AM   
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I am a free woman but I was a slave, as a slave I was required to obey the free, however to the extent of reason, if a fee man asked me to go to America and sell all I owned I would not leave my master and come running. I would say I was required polite respect and subservience towards all free, no matter if they made my knees bend or not.

That being said, now I am a man's free companion, but if I was looking for a master I would not care much if he complelled me with his mere presence. I would not beg the collar of a man I though to be weak, however there are many kinds of weakness, I would not see a man having a gentle personality, a personality that might not immediately make me want to fall to my knees as weak. I am not sue what you mean about Gorean attitude, as that to can be many things. However if a man I felt I could never respect asked me to become his slave I see no reason to insult the man, I would politely refuse and go look elsewhere.

I wish you well.


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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/23/2011 7:28:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa

Greetings....

Another thread (kajira collaring in real life) had me thinking....so I brought it here, rather then uproot the original.

Women, how do you react when approached by a man who doesn't, make your knees bend?   I understand the whole concept of obeying gorean men when in their vicinity, but if confronted with one who for whatever reason, isn't gorean, and doesn't have the aura of dominance, what do you do?  

Such as having a man ask you to accept his collar, hoping you will accept, without having the..for lack of a better word, gorean attitude?   Do you laugh, call him weak, politely ask him to go away....or?  

Most times, the man leaves the woman with no choice, she absolutely must beg his collar, but I wondered how the women here deal with a man who has missed this portion of the program?

Lisa





Hi Lisa,
You are troubling yourself with semantics; and collars have very little to do with the concept of Gorean mastery.

Within the pages of Gor the collar was simply a control device and an identifier much the same as a brand would be, only it held a more personal meaning. The collar wasn't the girl’s, it was her owners, it belonged to the person that held legal claim to her. It was used for physical control and it also reinforced the mental burden of her legal state of slavery. For us, in this society it also has physical as well as emotional value.

You see the brand signified that a girl was found to be, at heart, a kajira. Concurrently a great many of you folk see the terms kajira and slave to be interchangeable and synonymous; and while it may have alluded to this point in the books, this was mainly because of legal definition and to simplify understanding, but I assure you that you couldn’t be further from the truth. The kajira is bound at the heart and controlled by mastery, she would never be afforded, nor would she assume herself superior to anyone above her station. A slave is a legal affliction and is seldom embraced by a person confined as such. The kajira, as we know them, embrace their condition and in fact, often enough, eagerly seek such a circumstance.

Note that I said she is bound at the heart and controlled by mastery. This would imply that someone has established mastery over her and that she has succumb to the will of another. It is due to this mastery, and if her master would be Gorean, due to his sense of decorum that she will remain courteous and respectful to all. That doesn’t imply she is surrendered to all, as there is no legal, or even overall social description stating as to acceptable and behavioral norms for a Gorean’s kajira. These factors should and will be determined, not by her, but rather by the proprietor of her heart and mind.

So you see if a girl is without master and she is not compelled to her knees by another, he will not be her master and she should therefore not beg a collar, nor should he even wish to place one about her throat, it would be a mockery of what should be a very gratifying process to both or all individuals involved. There is nothing to say that all relationships of this nature will succeed, but they have no chance if those involved are just playing to superficial rituals and insincere fantasy.

If a girl is not under the control of another she is free, it’s that plain and simple. If she is making conscious decisions as to whether she should bend a knee or not, she is free. If her heart has no home, she is free. If she has hesitation, she is free. (Note: For all you girls out there that seek to submit in the fashion of the kajira; freedom do to circumstance doesn’t mean you have to act the role of some callous and resentful pain in the ass bitch, you are welcome to act as how you wish to be treated and I suspect in do course you will discover yourself where your heart compels you, bound).

We have no legal slavery in our society and therefore a girl can not be held against her will, so the only logical recourse for a liaison of unconditional submission by a woman of is that of uncompromised mastery. So to beg a collar to satisfy some online fantasy or offline brand of theatrics is a mockery of what is the factual essence of the Gorean man and his kajira’s bond.


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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/23/2011 6:26:05 PM   
Malkinius


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<snip>

You see the brand signified that a girl was found to be, at heart, a kajira. Concurrently a great many of you folk see the terms kajira and slave to be interchangeable and synonymous; and while it may have alluded to this point in the books, this was mainly because of legal definition and to simplify understanding, but I assure you that you couldn’t be further from the truth. The kajira is bound at the heart and controlled by mastery, she would never be afforded, nor would she assume herself superior to anyone above her station. A slave is a legal affliction and is seldom embraced by a person confined as such. The kajira, as we know them, embrace their condition and in fact, often enough, eagerly seek such a circumstance.


Sorry Bull, but bull...well...you know the rest of the word. <grins> The brand only marked someone as a slave. It says nothing in or out of the books about how much a slave or how natural a slave she is. It only says that at one point, if not currently, she was enslaved. On Gor, where there is legal slavery, someone can be enslaved, male or female, and they not want to be a slave, not be a good slave and except for legally, not be enslaved. With consensual slavery here on Earth that might be true but sorry, it is not true of all the slaves I have known.

Please don't confuse the point that in the books, some females who were brought to Gor to be slaves were effectively natural slaves and were surrendered themselves easily and deeply when someone who knew what they were doing due to training and experience, mastered them. There were many other slaves on Gor who really didn't want to be slaves and yes, I do mean female slaves. Most of those were not primary or point-of-view characters but they were there.

Be well.....

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/23/2011 7:44:47 PM   
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There were many other slaves on Gor who really didn't want to be slaves and yes, I do mean female slaves. Most of those were not primary or point-of-view characters but they were there.

Be well.....

Malkinius


Exactly. Otherwise, all those brands, collars, chains, binding fibers, and other clever binding devices wouldn't be needed at all if the girls automatically liked the idea of being slaves. Willing slaves + kinky hardware = Gor is one big BDSM Club, and Gorean-themed BDSM Clubs is another thread entirely.



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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/24/2011 1:55:34 AM   
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Earth to Gor. Earth to Gor.
Message follows: Gor is not about slavery as BDSM is not about play and collars are willingly and earnestly begged for in both. Only.

Houston, say again?
Houston: We heard that too... Not our transmission. Repeat. Not our transmission.
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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/24/2011 4:39:18 AM   
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My two cents here, I would not wish to have a slave that did not beg my collar at some point. I expect the slave to come to my home, where I treat him/her like a slave, giving the person my attention to train the person to my own liking and to know the person on a deeper level. If by some chance we get along, fine. If I think they are moving in a positive direction and making progress in how to serve us that's great! Most however do not, they have a fantasy of what should or should not be, and frankly that is their problem not mine.

Should a slave be here long enough to know us and appreciate what we are doing for them, and they are quite comfortable in our home, and wish to stay on a more permanent basis, I would then expect them to beg for a collar. It's still our decision whether or not the person should have our ownership on a more permanent basis or if we feel at this time they need to grow more to our liking. We make the decisions based on performance, personality, heart, obedience and a variety of other responses. Has nothing to do with bondage or sex, or their fantasy of being owned.

We both feel quite strongly about this and one day a person will come along and become our slave. Until that time, they are just people who wish to try to serve someone to the best of their ability or not. There's no ultimate anything we require of them but this. That is a lot on it's own don't ya think?

Branding was an identification of a girl or boy for that matter to the disposition they held as a servant to others. Branding was a mark only, identifying the slave as a slave as at the time of the branding they were slave, much the same of Nazi Germany and Jews, they were marked because who they were not because random tattoos were given to anyone but them at the time. That is how I view the brand. As for a collar, it showed who they belonged to, and for other devices to be used if needed to control the slave, that's all. Again it did not mean the slave was so in "love" with the collar they were never to take it off, it meant if they did, they were in violation of a rule put upon them by their owners and others who wanted to know who they belonged to.

On this planet obviously I cannot not around collaring unsuspecting girls or boys for that matter, so our collar to us is to not only identify our slave, but it is something the person has earned as well and knows well they wish to be ours in submission to our ownership of them. I do not expect the collar to come off until we take it off for whatever reason, there's no lock so it won't come off, it's a choice as it needs to be period. I would expect our will would be sufficient to maintain ownership with or without a collar on. If it is not, I would put that upon the slave not having the desire to be owned by us. Again a decision for the person to make, that is consensual slavery I think.

I wish you well, have a great day!

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/24/2011 11:22:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xBullx

<snip>

You see the brand signified that a girl was found to be, at heart, a kajira. Concurrently a great many of you folk see the terms kajira and slave to be interchangeable and synonymous; and while it may have alluded to this point in the books, this was mainly because of legal definition and to simplify understanding, but I assure you that you couldn’t be further from the truth. The kajira is bound at the heart and controlled by mastery, she would never be afforded, nor would she assume herself superior to anyone above her station. A slave is a legal affliction and is seldom embraced by a person confined as such. The kajira, as we know them, embrace their condition and in fact, often enough, eagerly seek such a circumstance.


Sorry Bull, but bull...well...you know the rest of the word. <grins> The brand only marked someone as a slave. It says nothing in or out of the books about how much a slave or how natural a slave she is. It only says that at one point, if not currently, she was enslaved. On Gor, where there is legal slavery, someone can be enslaved, male or female, and they not want to be a slave, not be a good slave and except for legally, not be enslaved. With consensual slavery here on Earth that might be true but sorry, it is not true of all the slaves I have known.

Please don't confuse the point that in the books, some females who were brought to Gor to be slaves were effectively natural slaves and were surrendered themselves easily and deeply when someone who knew what they were doing due to training and experience, mastered them. There were many other slaves on Gor who really didn't want to be slaves and yes, I do mean female slaves. Most of those were not primary or point-of-view characters but they were there.

Be well.....

Malkinius


You are indeed correct about the context slavery within the pages of Gor. And thanks for illustrating my point, I knew I could count on someone to step up. Slavery was indeed harsh cruel and often times devious in print. And yes any wench walking could end up branded, no doubt about that, and in fact she would be called slave or even, kajira. But while you struggle to preserve you delusional fantasies of consensual slavery (this is actually becoming a laughable term) more and more people around stand there with a raised eyebrow, at least where the rubber meets the road, you know in reality of our day to day lives. If this Gorean experiment is to advance, hell if it's going to survive beyond the fantasy world you are presently living in, we must be men first and credible men at that.

Let me ask you this, if tomorrow you had to stand in the public forum and people knew about your social stance, the terms you use and the source of your idealism, how well would you do debating with non- Goreans and non-Kinksters ( I assure you that our real world is much more so populated with those that would laugh you off the stage) as to the preservation of your so called freedoms.

Could you attain an elected office if people knew you kept females you referred to as your slaves? And if you are unable to stand up, credibly as a respectable man how will you then defend your freedom? And be honest with yourself and all of us, do you know any so called Goreans that when examined under the scrutiny of the modern media that could survive and defend the Gorean condition or just simply, using theirt own credibility, defend the position of human freedom. Freedom to be whatever we are.

Slavery on Earth, in our society, within our reality is a fantastical myth and role play. Period. All we have is mastery, or at least the possibility of such. Anything else retards the credibility of anyone that would label themselves Gorean. Men have to quit holding girls accountable to some desperate fantasy in order to garner their fancy and favor, stand up put forth the skill and effort to actually master them or be seen as a fraud and a loon.

So in the end Mister Malkinius, are you in this to live your day to day life as a free Gorean man, able to live, openly, free and true to your nature, at least as a Gorean understands it, or are you simply the "slave trader" you advertise yourself to be?

Choose you words from this day forward your credibility is at stake, and not simply as a Gorean, but as a free man.




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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/24/2011 4:51:43 PM   
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Exactly. Otherwise, all those brands, collars, chains, binding fibers, and other clever binding devices wouldn't be needed at all if the girls automatically liked the idea of being slaves. Willing slaves + kinky hardware = Gor is one big BDSM Club, and Gorean-themed BDSM Clubs is another thread entirely.




I would have to say that this post went a long way toward highlighting the credibility issue I have been alluding to.

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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/24/2011 11:12:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xBullx
You are indeed correct about the context slavery within the pages of Gor. And thanks for illustrating my point, I knew I could count on someone to step up. Slavery was indeed harsh cruel and often times devious in print. And yes any wench walking could end up branded, no doubt about that, and in fact she would be called slave or even, kajira. But while you struggle to preserve you delusional fantasies of consensual slavery (this is actually becoming a laughable term) more and more people around stand there with a raised eyebrow, at least where the rubber meets the road, you know in reality of our day to day lives. If this Gorean experiment is to advance, hell if it's going to survive beyond the fantasy world you are presently living in, we must be men first and credible men at that.

Let me ask you this, if tomorrow you had to stand in the public forum and people knew about your social stance, the terms you use and the source of your idealism, how well would you do debating with non- Goreans and non-Kinksters ( I assure you that our real world is much more so populated with those that would laugh you off the stage) as to the preservation of your so called freedoms.


Well....I don't have a problem with that. I have been open about who and what I am, and want to be, for years. My name, real name, has been in the open for about as long as I have been around Gorean places. Anyone who wants to know it just needs to do a simple google search. I am in the phone book too.

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Could you attain an elected office if people knew you kept females you referred to as your slaves? And if you are unable to stand up, credibly as a respectable man how will you then defend your freedom? And be honest with yourself and all of us, do you know any so called Goreans that when examined under the scrutiny of the modern media that could survive and defend the Gorean condition or just simply, using theirt own credibility, defend the position of human freedom. Freedom to be whatever we are.


I will defend my freedom the way I have. done. I have no problem with people knowing me and how I live. I will point out you too have owned at least one slave. (Who I finally got to meet before she left the Chicago area.) The same question can be put to you. However, to answer the political question, no, given the current 'gotcha' and remains of the illiberal politically correct culture in the media who are looking for any way to drag someone down, no, I would not get elected. I am also smart enough not to try. The same can be said for you and your background. I have no problem with being Gorean and basing how I would operate in politics according to those beliefs and to freely admitting to them. Just remember, my background, education and work history, is in broadcasting, publishing and working a while for a newspaper. I know it from the inside so yes, while I could manipulate it rather well, there are a lot more people looking for their big 'expose' or their person who doesn't believe as they do for a 'look at the freaks' article. I have spent time in the political process as well, but not as a candidate. So I do have a bit of knowledge about what would happen and I don't choose to go down that path. The path I have chosen has precluded that one just as other choices I have made over the years closed down other avenues I had considered following.

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Slavery on Earth, in our society, within our reality is a fantastical myth and role play. Period. All we have is mastery, or at least the possibility of such. Anything else retards the credibility of anyone that would label themselves Gorean. Men have to quit holding girls accountable to some desperate fantasy in order to garner their fancy and favor, stand up put forth the skill and effort to actually master them or be seen as a fraud and a loon.


So in the end Mister Malkinius, are you in this to live your day to day life as a free Gorean man, able to live, openly, free and true to your nature, at least as a Gorean understands it, or are you simply the "slave trader" you advertise yourself to be?

Choose you words from this day forward your credibility is at stake, and not simply as a Gorean, but as a free man.


I am going to put this very simply and not go down to where you are at the moment. I have proven over the years who and what I am and that is Gorean. I have also chosen to study and practice consensual slavery as opposed to illegal forms or BDSM types of play. The two are very compatible and yes, I have been open about this for longer than you have been around. If you think insults and accusations are going to scare me or make me back down, you should know better than that by now. It won't work. Too many people over too many years have tried that and it has never worked. I am still here, still Gorean and still me.

If you think you know more than I about a subject, prove it. Show your work as to how you arrived at your knowledge of either being Gorean or enslavement. My work on both has already been published over the last decade.

Be well.....

Malkinius

PS: My apologies to almost every one else who ends up reading this for my needing to respond to Bull's personal attack on me. I had much more respect for him before this post than I do now.


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RE: On the subject of collars.... - 7/25/2011 4:57:09 AM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		Greeetings Master Bull,

are you saying that if Master and me say that I am a mastered woman and he refers to me as that, that term is okay and socially acceptable but if he refers to me as a slave and says that we practice consensual slavery , then Master is deluded and that is not socially respectable?

I hope you have gotten to know over the years of me posting here I would never try to be rude. I know my reality is that if Master calls me a kajira, that is what I am , if he calls me a turnip then that is what I am.

well wishes
kisshou

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