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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/8/2011 5:11:35 AM   
barelynangel


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OP, You know, i keep hearing what you want, i keep hearing all of your opinions on this girl are right.  I keep hearing that your opinion here is the correct one.  Your Master said you are being closed minded --- you immediately deny same.  So just out of curiosity -- why are you right in this case and he is wrong? 

What really made me blink was when YOU decided what was disrespectful and wrong for her to do, say etc to your MASTER.      That is not your call and shouldn't be your concern.  He is a big boy and while he may have certain expectations of you as his slave -- she is NOT yet his slave and it's not up to you to determine what expectations he should have of her or decide how they should communicate.  It's not up to you to determine the "level" of respect a sub should have.  You need to stay out of their relationship and judging what she does and doesn't do with your Master.  It's really not your concern and will only cause you to compare and contrast and cause you stress and angst and you will continue to think she is getting MORE than you are.   You can as he is allowing you be a part of the process of finding someone with him but you aren't part of the process of his relationship with her and what that entails.  I see many slaves and subs misunderstand this concept.  They believe that if they are part of the picking process then they also get to determine the interaction and relationship between their MAster and the other girl.

I know that's hard to hear but it's true.  Even if she does become part of the poly family, her relationship with him is just that HER relationship with him -- just as your relationship with him will be YOUR relationship with him. 

You say you are all gungho to be poly and you LOVE the idea, but have you ever actually been a part of a poly situation?  Has he?

You ARE jealous and it sounds like this is what its all about on your end and it doesn't sound like you want poly UNLESS you are first.  That's not how poly works --  every concept of poly i have ever seen which deals with a slave demanding she remains first or such doesn't work for the long run.   So that is YOUR issue.  In your mind it sounds like you are thinking you will come first and the other will be the secondary concept in his life or more for YOU than him. 

You are a slave, you SUPPOSED to serve him every day.  Sorry but your belief of your entitled because you are doing what you are supposed to do as his slave, just doesn't fit.  Maybe he won't take her into his home as his slave but maybe as his equal, his partner.  Perhaps you are misunderstanding your place as his slave?  Just because you are "first" in his home, doesn't give you an entitlement of meaning more to him than anyone else coming into his home.

YOur trying to indicate its not jealousy speaking is in many ways your in denial.  You are afraid of their relationship because it has lasted so long even if it has never come to her actually coming to him.  As you said, you are afraid of losing your spot.  This tells me you aren't aware of how poly works.  Poly doesn't work on "spots" because each person has their place.  So she can't take your place.  She will have her own place.  You may not LIKE that her place MAY actually be different than yours but she will be creating her own place.

And as far as him giving her attention when she calls and such -- do you not think he stopped what he was doing and gave YOU his attention before you came to be with him when you called etc?

As for her not being a woman of her word, that's not up for you to worry about because it seems you are saying that based on her not coming as she said she would.  Has your Master even MET this girl offline?

His kids aren't yours, and it doesn't seem as if you have been there all that long.  I would let him right now deal with his kids because you may actually be projecting your dislike of her. 

NOw all of that being said and you should take a look at what you have written, you may surprise yourself.   Now, we have to realize that we are only hearing the side of a slave who feels neglected when this girl calls and is unsettled, who feels jealous, who is pregnant, who, based on what she has written has never experienced poly (which is a lot easier to SAY YES i want poly, than to exist in a poly situation, who is not yet fully settled into her new life and we don't have his side of this whole thing at all.  If this man has been trying to get this girl for over a year and a half now,  then it is probably less likely she will come to him.  She may just be using him for entertainment when she is bored. 

But the thing is, he will have to figure that out himself.  But in the meantime, it sounds like you both have to sit down and really hear what the other is hearing and what the other wants and how you each see a poly situation working.  

Good luck,

angel

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/8/2011 10:49:51 AM   
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First let me just say my place or what is or isn't my concern wasn't what my post was about. My Master has set my place and my place is to have an opinion. So most of what you said is wrong because you are looking at it the wrong way. Which make this response easy because most of what you have written is where i am wrong because i am stepping out of my place but who are you to tell me where my place is or what is or isn't my concern. Pay close attention to my post that said My Master reads this and if he doesn't feel like i am over stepping boundries who are you to say it. What makes what i say right is that my Master has read every post i have posted and has agreed i have not said anything wrong. As far as your statement on poly if you read my pryer posts you would know i am not new to poly only bdsm. If you actually knew about poly you would know depending on what the dynamic are the next person affects you a whole lot especially when you are expected to have a fluid bonded and close relationship with them. Also please dont think i would or my Master would allow me to speak on what i do not know. I know where she is to come in to the house if she comes into the house it would be as my equal for we 3 have all discussed that not as his equal. As far as her not being his yet she was collar for 6 months and released because she wanted to go fuck and be owned by another dom because he had another play partner, after being collared a slave should have a certain respect for a Dominate. As far as his kids they do not know my opinion on her. They have had their own opinions on her due to her broken promises to them and their father. As far as my opinion on her not being a woman of her word it is because she has not only lied to me his children and him about coming it is because she says she is poly and wants a sister but doesn't want anyone here when she gets here. She also have never taken the time to meet him in person.Please don't misunderstand when i say my place i mean as his slave in his home. He has said she has a power over him he does not understand. She plays games with his heart and he cant let her go. I worry she will find a way to push me out because she already doesn't like the fact that there is another female here. I have learned as a female that is a dangerous thing a woman with that much power over a man can really mess things up if she can manipulate the situation the right way and so far she has shown that she can, and that without physically being here. I can imagination what she can do if she was here.

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/8/2011 12:27:12 PM   
barelynangel


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No, you aren't getting what i am saying.  Your opinion is one thing.  Your allowing yourself to believe you are entitled because of your opinion seems to be causing you a lot of jealousy.

You have to remember, its not MY relationship so i really could care less what occurs.  You posted, i gave you my thoughts based on YOUR words.  It doesn't bother me if you take it or leave it.  You can continue to deny things, but in the end, be careful because it will come back to bite you in the ass.  Maybe you should hear him when he says you are closed minded.  But if you chose to believe you are entitled to everything because he allows you your opinion so be it.

There is a difference between being allowed an opinion, and feeling you are entitled BECAUSE of your opinion.

When you learn the difference, you may find your place easier.  Your post doesn't seem like you understand poly, though you claim to know about it.  I read your post -- it seems to me, you are causing yourself your own issues.  YOu asked if you are making more out of this than it is -- i have said pretty much yes you are.

You don't have to agree, you asked for opinions and you are getting them.  It seems that anyone in this thread who tries to make you see you may be part of your own issue -- you make excuses.  So be it.

Hell they haven't met in a year and a half and you are letting it drive you this crazy.  This isn't about her or him -- its about you.

angel

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/8/2011 1:11:49 PM   
innocentluv


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It must bother you some because you responded to my response. Please dont keep saying you responded to what i said as if you understood what i meant because obviously you didn't. but have a great day and learn the definition of jealousy before you use the word goodbye 

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/10/2011 3:14:08 PM   
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To give you honest feed back I have to ask a couple questions. You said she was collared for 6 months? Has he met her and had personal contact or not? Are you taking care of the childrens daily needs? Is that part of what you do?Im not sure how she has this control over him that he will disregard what is already in his home how is she deciding what she wants when she gets there(to be alone no one else) are there going to be any disiplines for takingoff for those reasons and why is she leaving thew other Dom?

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/10/2011 6:42:09 PM   
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To answer your questions PrincessDonna yes she was collared for for 6 months but no they have not had contact other than through the computer and phone conversations.Yes he works and i take care of the kids daily needs. I don't understand the situation with her and her power either and more i try i get a headache. No he will not discipline me for leaving because he would understand the reasons. I do not know why she is leaving the one she is with because i have asked my Master to longer discuss her with me because it upsets me.

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/11/2011 8:51:31 AM   
PrincessDonna1


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Yes that would be somewhat upsetting to me, too someone hes never even met??
Other then this situation,are things working out for you?

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/11/2011 9:01:51 PM   
innocentluv


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YES HE IS PERFECT OTHER THAN THIS SITUATION

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/12/2011 9:02:15 AM   
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I guess as a Domme I would say(although I'm totally confused by his behavior) that at the very least it would keep you at your very best as you know you have competition knocking at the door wanting you out.That has been the foundation of the poly relationships Ive been in is that everyone always looks,acts,and projects their very best at all times.Im glad you got the chance to vent your emotions on here and that you got some type of feed back that you can use to make it better,good luck,wish you well,and stay in touch

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/21/2011 11:07:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: innocentluv

To answer your questions PrincessDonna yes she was collared for for 6 months but no they have not had contact other than through the computer and phone conversations.Yes he works and i take care of the kids daily needs. I don't understand the situation with her and her power either and more i try i get a headache. No he will not discipline me for leaving because he would understand the reasons. I do not know why she is leaving the one she is with because i have asked my Master to longer discuss her with me because it upsets me.



So let me see if I've got this straight. She already has a partner, lives somewhere far away, has never actually met your master, and has stood you guys up twice already?

Sounds to me like she's just stringing your master along for some kinky phone fun while she stays at home with hubby, and has no intention of ever showing up. It sucks that you're caught in the middle of what sounds like a dramatic situation, but I doubt she'll ever turn up anyway. So don't worry so much. I hope you guys can actually find somebody decent someday, once he's over her.

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/21/2011 1:14:07 PM   
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Thank you and we are still searching

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 7/23/2011 9:32:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: innocentluv

YES HE IS PERFECT OTHER THAN THIS SITUATION


But THIS situation is not a silly little thing. While I agree on the concept that your voice and opinion only go so far, I also agree on the fact that, although I'm not poly, for it to work in a cohesive household, there can't be all this turmoil from the start.

Sometimes someone can be perfect in all ways except for one thing, but that one thing can be a deal breaker.

He has never met this woman, yet admits she has this "control" over him that he doesn't understand. I think if he is allowing her to have that "control," both you and he need to seriously look at the situation, and he needs to do a reality check on what HE is doing. Often the "fantasy" of someone you have never met is much greater than the reality.

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 9/1/2011 8:50:53 AM   
wolf223


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  This guy has a problem ; He has a very nice looking woman
who seems to be willing to be his sub and he is willing to
loose her over a woman he has never met????????????????
You're young good looking, move on if this isn't a deal-breaker
I never saw one.

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 9/8/2011 1:37:51 PM   
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Thank you for all your oppinions and advice I have taken a step back from the situation and am now a free agent. But am still hoping he comes to his senses

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 9/10/2011 3:17:24 PM   
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I can understand the upset, you believe he should be a treated a certain way, the dynamic you and he have/had, is not the dynamic he has with the second girl. I'm no expert at poly, but as far as I can see it, he can have different dynamics with each of you so long as the two of you can accept those dynamic differences as well. From what I can decypher, she doesn't like like the situation, neither do you. The guy is a fool for not realizing neither of you wants to work with the different dynamics present, and he could end up losing the one -real- girl he has by trying to keep both when you clearly don't mesh.

He may be the Dom but that doesn't mean he can make you enjoy a relationship that makes you unhappy. Same for the other girl. Some people just don't mesh, doesn't make someone more right or more wrong, just means they are wrong for eachother. I would say be patient, but don't take it out on him, because you and the other girl are conflicting personalities. He'll realize in time you can't make oil and water mix, but everyone tries at least once.. and some people keep trying long past when they should give up.

< Message edited by ProlificNeeds -- 9/10/2011 3:19:56 PM >

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 9/20/2011 9:43:59 AM   
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Ok you need to hear that what you feel is ok. Just because your his sub/slave doesn't mean that you deserve no respect at all/no opinion. When there are children in the picture Sorry but children are the most intelligent when it comes to knowing whether it's a good/bad idea to know someone! This is because being children they can be more honest about things they have more freedom. Like when your above 18 you can't give out to someone you just met because lets say they just littered! You could be told that Verbal harressment is against the law, you know! Talk to your Master oh and if this is happening in your house tell her she either treats you with respect or she will not be allowed through your front door. I'm just being honest.Especially if he thinks he can come to your house already when ever he wants, your a mother now if your kids thought it'd be ok to walk into your house with dirty shoes would you be as nice to them about that as you are with your master having another girl that disrespects even you? I see a problem, don't you?

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RE: Am i making more out of it than it is - 9/25/2011 2:26:00 AM   
Sunny27


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Forget the one I wrote above just listen to this one I have instead!

Ok is this man the father of your kids?
Ok give an ultimatum it's either you/her that goes, I would say that!
Even say that you will look for another girl asap on collar me and speak to a few people on the the phone.
This might upset you for a few days but trust me, its easier to move on when you've done the breaking up.
Its always better to hear their voice on this subject goodluck!!
Take care!



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