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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 9:58:17 AM   
RqrCompanionS


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Iv'e gotten quite a few messages about it, and this is not the only place i've posted this discussion, nor is it the first time i've posted it.


So, you've posted it before, you've gotten responses before. Yet, you posted it, this time, in such a manner to make it look like it is a fresh, new question that just popped into your head, and, you posted it knowing that (at least in your mind) it was bound to incite problems.

You had your answers, from other times you posted, and, you posted it, knowing those answers and knowing that posting it would be nothing but trouble. That is what you are telling us.

Then, you start acting as if you are being attacked, when you are not, and, trying to incite a flame war.

In other words, your motivation in posting this thread was to get people to attack you , and, when they did not attack you for posting it, and, instead, one of them went so far as to take you seriously, research an answer, and, give it to you, you repaid his kindness by throwing a tantrum, pretending an attack occurred, hoping that we'd all rip you a new arse for acting this way.

One way or another, you are bound and determined to have your attack. Poor thing. Not getting any action on the whole "please let me grovel at your feet" front at home, eh? Well, this is not the way to get it, here.

If people don't like you, they won't follow you about and chastise you for long, you know? They'll just block you and forget you, or, ignore you. If you want attention, find a better way to seek it.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 10:31:07 AM   
bondageBirdy


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I was going to try and explain myself, but why? Everyone here already has a judgmental attitude towards me. And me trying to get them to see anything else is fruitless.



And to assume this is me looking for attention, that im being bratty for attention??!! seriously?




This is truely hurtful, and...i don't know how to deal with this. is there anyway to have this deleted? You guys are really really cruel.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 11:55:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bondageBirdy


I was going to try and explain myself, but why? Everyone here already has a judgmental attitude towards me. And me trying to get them to see anything else is fruitless.



And to assume this is me looking for attention, that im being bratty for attention??!! seriously?




This is truely hurtful, and...i don't know how to deal with this. is there anyway to have this deleted? You guys are really really cruel.


Again, you are over-personalising things.

Is this thread or any of the responses going to matter a month from now?
2 weeks?
7 days?

The answer should be no.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 12:40:55 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 12:57:44 PM   
bondageBirdy


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Status: offline 		I'm trying.....I posted the question somewhere else, and i got the answers i was looking for since i screwed up here....


I changed my name becuase i was over the rude private messages, and also because my handle here isn't the same as my handle on fet, i wanted them to be the same....

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 1:08:57 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Ahhh, was wondering.  When people change nicks, tends to raise suspicions that something is being hidden.

Your profile is well written, and comes across much more mature then I have seen here, so I know your capable, and glad I took the time to read it :)  

I saw no rude responses here, just blunt and to the point, nothing wrong with that.  You won't always hear what you want, but thats ok, it's all learning.  I hope you stick around, it's a good bunch, just try a thicker skin and less drama, you'll be fine.

And, welcome.

Lisa


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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 1:34:25 PM   
Wheldrake


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Status: offline 		I'm not really a Gorean, but I read most of the Gor novels and a few of the Barsoom (or "John Carter of Mars") ones during my younger years. I quite enjoyed both, and I did notice some similarities in content and writing style. As I recall (it's been a while now) the Barsoom novels were pretty much straightforward pulp science fiction with a lot of adventure, swordplay, zipping around in flying machines, and bizarre alien life forms. Slavery was a fact of life on Mars, where the novels were set, and at least some of the books had erotic and rather Gor-like overtones involving female slaves and their submission to dashing male warriors. However, the eroticism was very restrained, and I don't remember any explicit sex or drawn-out scenes of bondage or punishment. I don't believe there were any ruminations on the philosophy or psychology of slavery, either. All of Burroughs' work tended to be too swashbuckling and fast-paced for that sort of thing.

My impression was that the first three Gor books were very Barsoom-like, but with somewhat more emphasis on female slavery. Later in the series, as that element took over even more, the resemblance to Barsoom was pretty much lost. I'm not sure it would have occurred to me to compare Burroughs and Norman at all if I'd only read the later Gor books.

Sharon Green is another writer whose work is somewhat comparable to the Gor novels, if you're looking for that sort of thing.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 1:41:38 PM   
Arturas


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Status: offline 		You're right. Some people think being an asshole is required here. The weaker they are the more apt they are to attack you. It's actually a defensive mechanism for some Geeks here who have used their obsession with the Gorean Sagas, and it's spin on Master Morality, to give them a sense of elitism and greatness where none actually exists. I am not upset with what you posted and of course no true man will attack you for what you've posted because it would have no good purpose. After all, you were not rude, simply impatient. Some have decided to pretend you were rude so they have an excuse to attack you and attacking you gives them a false sense of superiority. It is "mediocre" behavior.

P.S. Hey, one of them was/is very obese and collared a "slave" with a rough looking dog collar on a picnic table in a public park and seems to be proud of it. Talk about mediocre (my favorite word for the week). forget them. Stay strong and say what you know is right.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 1:58:16 PM   
LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: Arturas


P.S. Hey, one of them was/is very obese and collared a "slave" with a rough looking dog collar on a picnic table in a public park and seems to be proud of it. Talk about mediocre (my favorite word for the week). forget them. Stay strong and say what you know is right.


At least none of them posted fisting fairy tales in really bad prose...

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 3:00:20 PM   
bondageBirdy


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Status: offline 		Thank you AlwaysLisa, i'm going to work on thickening my skin :)


Do you think it can be built like your pain tolerances level? because that's pretty low over here too lol.


Wheldrake, thank you very much for your response. Yes as i started reading the Barsoom novels, i found out the same thing. the start off almost neck and neck and then begin to tapper off as they both go along.
I kinda wondered why JN caught on and not so much EB. I also wonder the same about Anne Rice, and her sleeping beauty trilogy. Why hasn't that has a huge following? yes a thought really....








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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 3:05:18 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Thank you AlwaysLisa, i'm going to work on thickening my skin :)
Do you think it can be built like your pain tolerances level? because that's pretty low over here too lol.


Can't help you on the pain thing, I'm a wimp, lol 

Glad to see you aren't giving up :)

Lisa


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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/22/2011 1:18:17 PM   
Wheldrake


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I kinda wondered why JN caught on and not so much EB. I also wonder the same about Anne Rice, and her sleeping beauty trilogy. Why hasn't that has a huge following? yes a thought really....


Outside the BDSM community, Burroughs is probably the better-known writer. Aside from Barsoom, he wrote the Tarzan novels and the Pellucidar novels, along with a lot of other stuff. Tarzan, at least, has passed into the cultural mainstream in a way that Gor never did. Among kinksters, Burroughs was never going to "catch on" in the way that Norman has, because his work doesn't have the same focus on slavery and submission. Anne Rice is an interesting case; her "Sleeping Beauty" books were very kinky, and I certainly enjoyed them, but she didn't really define a setting as vivid and detailed as Gor or an approach to BDSM as distinctive as the one that Norman developed in his books.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/22/2011 2:37:01 PM   
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Thank you AlwaysLisa, i'm going to work on thickening my skin :)

Do you think it can be built like your pain tolerances level?


Most definitely

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/22/2011 8:14:13 PM   
Hisprettybaby


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ORIGINAL: bondageBirdy
Do you think it can be built like your pain tolerances level? because that's pretty low over here too lol.

I don't usually post in this particular forum, but yes, in my experience pain tolerance can be increased over time. Mine has.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/23/2011 6:27:02 AM   
nephandi


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Fiction wise I see a similarity between the Barsoom books and the Gor books, they are both about a man who get taken from Earth, they are both swords and spaceships stories about a hero who have to adjust to a somewhat primitive society on another planet, there are sword fights, strange creatures and women weary little else than jewelry in both.

However the Gor books have distinct differences, one of the main ones being that the Barsoom books still sell the common Western morality as the right one, the strong but evil ruler is disposed, the maiden in distress is saved and so on, while in the Gor books one of the most interesting thing about them is that they present a society with very alien morality, where the maiden in distress might be saved and then raped, or just raped and left to her fate. At the end of the day the hero in the Barsoom follows Western morality, while Tarl eventually abandons it and accepts a Gorean morality instead. However I do think Normann tokk inspiration from the Barsoom when he wrote his Gor books.

I wish you all well


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