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Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 8:39:44 AM

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Hello everyone, i had a quick question about Gor if i may. I'm not Gor, though i did enjoy the novels. It was brought to my attention by a friend of mine, that the novels were extremely similar to a series written my Edgar Rice Burroughs called Barsoom.

I could post them if necessary.

MY question is, have any of you read the Burroughs novels?
do you find them similar to Norman's novels?
Do you think this is poppycock and you could care less?

I'm just curious!

thanks in advance for your responses :)

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 11:35:32 AM

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Guess no ones interested .....

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 2:21:26 PM

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 2:28:30 PM

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:) im trying.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 2:35:24 PM

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I haven't read them, but I was interested by your question, so I looked 'em up on wiki, and pinched this piece of information.

'While there is variation, most of the Barsoom novels follow a familiar plot structure. A hero is forced to journey to a far-off location in search of a woman he is either in love with, or believes himself to be. The woman has been kidnapped by an odious but powerful man, who both desires her and values her for his own political ends.[14] Female characters are frequently threatened with sexual assault;[15] Dejah Thoris (on numerous occasions), Thuvia and Tara of Helium are all subjected to this threat. Tara notably is pursued by a headless body being remotely controlled by telepathy by a Kaldane in The Chessmen of Mars.[7][16]

The hero is awkward with women and will tend to misinterpret their lack of interest in him due to his low confidence or familiarity with the ways of women. Female characters are likely to be virtuous and fight off amorous advances and other dangers until able to connect with the hero.[14] The hero is often forced to adopt a disguise and is not recognized by the heroine.

He will have to fight both strange races and hideous creatures to claim her love. Along the way the hero will encounter kings or other powerful figures who rule over a severely repressed population, ripe for rebellion. He will be instrumental in deposing the ruler, usually with the assistance of a fresh-faced member of the same population, whom the hero will have encountered when both are in some kind of slavery or imprisonment.' (With thanks to Wikipedia)

Apparently John Norman and many other science fiction writers were influenced by the ideas expressed by Burroughs, and hence the Gor stories were partly produced as a result of the earlier Barsoom ones. However, there is no major emphasis on a slave owning culture in the Burroughs stories, at least as far as I can see; and the role of women seems to be much more one of being icons for the heroes, rather than objects of lust and servitude.

So; this is an example of how we academics sometimes contribute to a discussion we know nothing about by drawing on second hand information!

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 2:41:59 PM

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Thank you ChasteDream I actually have a list of similarities in detail if anyone would like to see them. I haven't read the books as well, but im going to. I'm interested in Gor as a whole, so this take on it is a great way to understand it.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 4:04:24 PM

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Well, apparently this subject is a sore spot for followers of the Gorean ideals. So i'll let it go. Bbut i was really curious about it. It's a shame no one wanted to just talk about it, instead everyone just wanted to attack me on how i was attacking their lifestyle....

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 4:12:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VonGlorious

Well, apparently this subject is a sore spot for followers of the Gorean ideals. So i'll let it go. Bbut i was really curious about it. It's a shame no one wanted to just talk about it, instead everyone just wanted to attack me on how i was attacking their lifestyle....

Hmm, why would you assume that it was a sore spot? And where has anyone attacked you?

Sounds as if someone is a bit sensitive.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 4:21:23 PM

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Iv'e gotten quite a few messages about it, and this is not the only place i've posted this discussion, nor is it the first time i've posted it.

And what of my sensitivity? you say it as if it is an poor character trait to have LOL. I never had issues her or anywhere else until i pull this topic out of my hat. It's disappointing...

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 4:38:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VonGlorious

Well, apparently this subject is a sore spot for followers of the Gorean ideals. So i'll let it go. Bbut i was really curious about it. It's a shame no one wanted to just talk about it, instead everyone just wanted to attack me on how i was attacking their lifestyle....

Who attacked you? . With this post you appear overly dramatic which doesn't give the best impression. Take a deep breath and go do something else, checking back for responses as it can take a while to get responses. This isn't the fastest board on CM.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 5:07:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VonGlorious

Iv'e gotten quite a few messages about it, and this is not the only place i've posted this discussion, nor is it the first time i've posted it.

And what of my sensitivity? you say it as if it is an poor character trait to have LOL. I never had issues her or anywhere else until i pull this topic out of my hat. It's disappointing...

You are aware, are you not, that whining is looked upon as very immature?

We are not responsible for your 'disappointment'.

Perhaps, in the future, you could try to actually show some maturity in regards to your attitude when you post. You might find that you will receive much better and more enlightening replies.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 5:24:09 PM

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THIS is the only post i've ever had any issues with, so thank you for your unsolicited advice.......

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 5:35:13 PM

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VG if you can't deal with a post like IrishMist's you will not do well here. People here tend to be very blunt oh and btw IM is right

You posted about the rude responses when there hadn't been any - and there still haven't been any, just to the point posts.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/20/2011 11:11:22 PM

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Greetings VonGlorious.....

You are talking about something Goreans have known for many years. There is no big news and no new news in your post. Tarnsman has a beginning that is directly influenced by the first John Carter of Mars book. The connects and homage to Burrough's work drops off with each book until it is effectively gone by the the middle of the series. There are a few references back to manuscripts being sent to Earth but nothing much beyond that.

You jumped too fast on the lack of comments. As was pointed out, the fact is that we don't reply as fast as some forums is just the way we are. Also, this wasn't a very interesting post. We would have been less interested if you had posted that there were currently 29 books in the series and a new one called Mariner was planned for this year. This is old news. Not as old as your post but still old and not very interesting. Now...the first person to post a review of Mariner will have a post a lot of people will read.

Be well....

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 12:33:42 AM

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First of all Vonglorious as far as I am aware none of us have to write to your timetable, none of us are your slaves, and most of us don’t spend all day checking the boards, we actually have a life away from the internet, sometimes when things are busy it can take a few days or even (gasp with horror) weeks for some of us to check, so take your attitude elsewhere, you sound like a whining child.

Anyway back to the question.

At the time the early books were written many people were influenced by Burroughs books, if you look at the sci fi books from that period they all had similaraties, in the same way that many fantasy books are based upon Tolkeins ideas. In Tarnsman and Outlaw the similarities are very easily spotted, and John Norman in one of his interviews has said he was influenced by Burroughs so for Goreans your question is nothing new.

However as further books were released the similarities became less and less as Norman made his world more his own, writing is like anything the more you do the more it becomes your own.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 9:07:41 AM

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Your all assholes honestly. It was a mistake to even ask the question here. It doesn't matter how i explain anything, you all will take it and twist it into something else. So I don't care. I deleted my other profile becuase like i said, PEOPLE WERE SENDING ME MESSAGES THAT WERE RUDE AND DISTASTEFUL. but you all have seemed to completely ignore me saying that, i never said people posted rude things HERE! shit, give me a break. im new to this, and honestly im never participating in gorean groups anymore, most of them are rude and arrogant.

I never said that tis topic was brand spanking new, i was born WELL after these novels were publish, so ovbiously it's new to ME. I asked a simple question, if you don;t know shit about it, or don't like it, then leave it alone. No one forced you all to answer or put up with my alleged whinyness. :|

So a soud fuck you from a very frustrated submissive that has just had it with being pushed around by the Old people of CM.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 9:09:32 AM

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quote:

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 9:33:00 AM

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Some people will send you rude messages regarless of the question, the forum or the website used.
It just happens with the anonimity of the internet.

You posted when most people were in the middle of their work day and I am surprised that you would take it personally that there was a pause in a response.
And you did take the silence very personally.
Honestly, on the Gorean forum, had people been in great disagreement with you you would hear about it eventually, on the forum.

There is always value to patience, but having said that discussions do not always go the way we hope.

Try not to take rude responses personally; it says much about the responder and the best way to deal with them is via IGNORE.
By fussing about it here you gave them notice that it bothered you (and notice that they 'won'). The next time oyu get such messages the standard response is reort the message, block the person and delete the post without responding.
If a message seems rude via the hover technique you can save it to your main in-box, and read it there without reading it here.
After reading it in your off-site account you can report, block and delete unread if you so choose.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 9:39:00 AM

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Given her performance here, I doubt her cmail claims. After all, no one's shy about posting opinions on the forum. More victimization.

On this forum, it's not uncommon for a few days to go by before people get to it. There's not the rush to respond seen elsewhere. What she HAS done in her haste is flagged herself as a not so promising candidate for meaningful discussion.

Something, OP, to learn about Goreans--personal responsibility for our own experiences. Lesson One.

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RE: Edgar Rice Burroughs vs. John Norman - 7/21/2011 9:40:30 AM

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There is some resemblance,as there is also some resemblance to the stories of Conan, as there is some resemblance to Krull, as there is some resemblance to the Riverworld series. I imagine that if someone enjoyed Gor, they would enjoy Barsoom. It is not necessarily so, in reverse, simply because most people who read Edgar Rice Burroughs books enjoy the fact that he writes well.

I read just enough of the books of Gor to know that if I continued to read them, I would constantly be stopping to exclaim over how stupid and unworkable this or that is, and, of course, to rewrite whole paragraphs in my head, due to shoddy workmanship.

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