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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/23/2011 10:33:29 PM   
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The idea for this post, and the thoughts in it, grew out of a Cmail exchange between MadAxeman and I. <Thanks MA! >

One of the things I think that newbies and non-poly people do not realize about a poly relationship, is just how much thought, planning, negotiating, priority juggling, and just plain hard work really is involved. Sometimes it seems like a full time job in and of itself. <I know I had no idea when we started out so short a time ago, there's a steep learning curve to this>. And it isn’t the big issues that are the problem, it is the little things.

So often we hear about jealousy being the big problem, but I have found that there is actually very little jealousy; this could be because we are all still in the honeymoon phase, or maybe because Hanners works very hard at, and is very good at, making sure everybody is included and that everybody gets what they want as far as is possible. And that is where the work comes in. There is a constant need for juggling priorities that can get very complex. Even just going out can be a challenge, what with school demands, we often find that three of us want to go out, but the other has an exam to study for or a paper to do. Even when there is no issue with conflicting schedules it can be tricky. We all have different tastes in food, movies, music, and so on. Even just staying home can be a cause of potential conflict, no matter what we are having for dinner, one of the four of us is bound to have wanted something else, just settling on what to watch on TV can be hard <other than Big Bang Theory – we are all in agreement then – that show rocks!>. The home itself can be a source of potential conflict too, we all have different ideas regarding how to decorate; we each like different colour schemes and furniture styles and so on.

Now at first glance you are going to think that this is all very obvious stuff that any couple faces and just deals with using common sense, and you would be right. The thing is though, there are four such opinions on everything so reaching a consensus can be a long process at times. And often one of us will find herself opposed by the other three. Again that isn’t a big deal in and of itself, but when it happens a lot, one can start to resent it, and feel isolated or ganged up on. Here is where the idea of open communication comes in, but when you are having these feelings of resentment that you know are silly and really baseless, it is hard to bring it up. You know you are being unreasonable and you are reluctant to cause trouble over it, but it still needs to be aired or it will fester. So it often falls on the other members of the House to pay close attention and be on the look-out for anything like that brewing and to act proactively to head it off and get it out in the open.

One would think that having a D/s aspect to the relationship would simplify these things, but it really doesn’t, falling back on that just puts all the weight on one person. We do that a lot with Hanners, we rely on her to notice and resolve problems, which isn’t really fair. In the final analysis everybody is responsible for their own happiness. Maybe it’s because Hanners runs a very egalitarian household <make no mistake, she is in charge, but she doesn’t run it like a dictator>, but I think it probably applies to any poly home to some degree. She wants everybody to be happy and fulfilled and to be able to grow within the relationship, and that is where the real magic act comes into it. She is always negotiating, seeking input, and hammering out compromises. Compromising isn't really natural to girls in our age range, I'll be honest, we can be pretty self centered. Also, with four women, somebody around here is almost always PMSing, so it can be a lot like tap dancing through a minefield at times.

Hanners never says anything, but we can tell sometimes just from the look on her face that she's getting swamped, and that’s when we have to back down and remember to work together. And that really is the key, to work together. If Cheri and I notice tension between Hanners and Suze, we have to step in and try to get it resolved, we can’t hang back and say “Well, we’re the subs, so it’s none of our affair.” If they aren’t happy, then we won’t be either. And each of us has to be willing to compromise, and yet at the same time we have to realize that there will be times when each of us will really not be willing, or possibly even able, to compromise on certain things <like me and “realistic” dildos>.

It helps if you can recognize and rely on each partner’s strengths. For example I tend to be more logical and analytical, Hanners has more life experience and being more philosophically inclined has a more fully developed moral and ethical framework, Cheri is more empathetic and intuitive and can often see what is behind the words or feelings, and Suze is good at seeing the flaws in things and at seeing the long view of things. It can be hard at times to do this, especially for the Dominants, to admit somebody is better at something and to let them take the lead. But it really is one of the major advantages of a poly relationship, that there are several other people upon whose strengths one can fall back on, and it would be a mistake not to do so out of anger, pride, or just plain stubbornness. I find I have to remind myself of this every so often.

Laughter helps as well, and here is where a clown like Suze is a godsend. It isn’t even always a joke, sometimes just a silly remark, or tone of voice, or a funny face, or even just the twinkle in her eye that tells you she has thought of something funny that will make you smile. It’s a lot harder to be resentful or angry when you’re giggling.

It helps if you have some strategies with which to deal with the stresses. One seemingly silly one we use is to dance, all of us together. We do a lot of that. It's physical so it’s cathartic, its fun, and sexy/silly, and it’s a bonding thing as well. We all end up laughing sweaty and happy. Often when one of us notices tensions mounting, she’ll just put on some music, crank it up, grab somebody and start dancing. That invariably ends up with us all laying together on the floor exhausted and happy, snuggling and talking freely.

Another is our evening fire time that Hanners mentioned on another thread. And we have expanded the hair brushing ritual that Hanners and I had to include everybody. We will sit in a circle each brushing the hair of the person in front of us and talk. We use this ritual not only when we need to talk things out, but sometimes we do it without talking just to reinforce the bond, the mutual closeness, and the sense of togetherness.

I’m not sure if there really is a point to all this. It's really just some thoughts I had on how things are developing that I thought were worth posting here. Maybe somebody will find them useful.



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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/24/2011 12:27:04 AM   
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Does there have to be a point to an insightful and elegant post?

You have transported me to a better world.
There's some good advice for almost any type of relationship there.
Couples have an inherently lopsided view of their relationship, because there is no fully informed alternative viewpoint, fine irritants can become ingrained and possibly corrosive.
Like a golfer or batter that never sees themselves on film, these flaws may become permanent when the solution might be simple.

The next time my football friends and I suffer a really bad defeat, I'm going to suggest we all dance together and then brush our hair.

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/24/2011 11:50:31 AM   
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Heather,  you truly have a way with words that is awe inspiring.  I always love to read what you post as I can be assured that it will be insightful, well thought out and makes sense.  There's so little common sense in the world today, that to see it rule in a home comprised of 4 women, regardless of age, is quite beautiful.  The 4 of you seem to have it made in the shade and for that I congratulate all of you.  May your days be filled with happiness and silliness and lots of love.  

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/24/2011 4:08:48 PM   
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quote:

Also, with four women, somebody around here is almost always PMSing, so it can be a lot like tap dancing through a minefield at times.
I don't know if you are allowed to give it to yourself, but this really should be the quote of the day!

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/24/2011 8:00:07 PM   
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I'm sure that is an entirely unbiased opinion as well.

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/24/2011 8:50:42 PM   
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Well Heather, here's an unbiased one.  I think you should use it as a "Quote of the Day".  So there.  

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/28/2011 10:02:32 AM   
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quote:

It's really just some thoughts I had on how things are developing

And that is all the point there really ever needs to be. These glimpses into your personal lives and your thoughts on it are very enlightening and to be honest, fascinating. It is a unique chance for us to watch a very different and very complex dynamic grow and evolve and to see it from the perspective of those involved in it.

Again, my thanks to the four of you for starting this thread and for continuing to post updates on it. It is one of the highlights of the boards, and if ever there is a Best of CM forum, then this thread will get my vote.

PS. I think you girls should make a Haytch House blog or something, where these thoughts can be shared with a wider audience.


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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/28/2011 3:35:43 PM   
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quote:

PS. I think you girls should make a Haytch House blog or something, where these thoughts can be shared with a wider audience.


Now that's an awesome idea. Reading the day to day stuff you girls do and deal with would be fascinating.

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/28/2011 7:52:25 PM   
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we'll take it into consideration, it might be interesting. but then again it might just be boring as fuck as well. 

normally i think a blog is just too much fucking work, but with four of us contributing it may be ok. and it sure as fuck would be random, which is always a good thing.

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 10/29/2011 7:40:31 AM   
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<snip> with four of us contributing it may be ok. and it sure as fuck would be random, which is always a good thing.


Exactly. It's the different viewpoints and such that would make it interesting. I'm glad you are willing to consider it and I hope it happens.

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RE: In our heads, not our beds - how it works for us. - 11/13/2011 6:27:59 AM   
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WoW i AGREE WITH kALICO I have a headache but thank you for the outline and sharing your life ...that takes courage so thank you ... I personally Like my Life simple and my amusments complicated ... so no love or affection I foster is limited or conditional... to me its just not worth it. But what the hell do I know

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