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Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 11:25:20 AM   
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Ok...so Im fairly darn certain Im not the first person here to start thinking this way or to have these questions, and Im sure I could use the search function and find lots of reading material. I plan on doing that too...but I also want to write all this out myself..because writing it all out and getting feedback often really helps me. Hell, even when I dont get any feedback, just writing to myself helps me.

Long time ago in a Galaxy far far away......

(ok, 10 years ago and a two hours drive north of here)

I used to be fairly darn active in the BDSM community. It was work, play, social time, relationship, volunteer efforts, learning...I did it all. 95% of my time outside the home was spent doing something that had something to do with the BDSM community or lifestyle. But at home I was still a single mom without a partner in life. I got very frustrated trying to find someone for me that could be everything I needed. A partner at home as a family, and a partner in the BDSM world in the capacity I wanted and needed. I was young enough to think I still had to adhere to societal "norms" so I thought I had to chose one or the other so I of course chose the life that I thought would be healthiest for my kid. I walked away from the BDSM world and into a vanilla marriage with someone who I thought would be the best provider and  parent for my son. That was seven years ago. We've had ups and downs. More downs than ups lately, but the ups were still there and still mean a lot to both of us.

Here I am, all these years later, still wondering the exact same thing I fell apart over before. Is it physically possible for ONE person to be and provide everything I need and want? Is it even fair for me to ask anyone to be that? Am I for some reason asking to much? Do I have unreasonable expectations? Should I learn to shove aside wants and desires and just make do with the status quo?

There are so many things that my husband WANTS to be for me, but I really dont think he can. Maybe that isnt fair of me, but we've been through enough downs that we've built up a fairly large wall between us (hell, we live in separate bedrooms now even). He tried being the dominant...he ended up just being overly critical and controlling. His assumptions of what BDSM is due to past experiences and my expectations of what I want out of BDSM are just too different from each other.

Before anyone asks...YES we have talked all of these things (and a lot more) out in detail....

Now he thinks maybe the solution for us is for him to stop trying to fill that role in my life and let me find someone else that can. Even IF it turns out he really could handle that, Im not entirely sure I could handle dividing myself like that.

We have been involved in the swinger lifestyle for the last 5 years. I know we dont (or at least didnt used to) have problems with each other having other sex partners...but thats just sex. This is an actual developed intimacy and connection we are talking here. I dont know if that is something we can handle pursuing or not.

I dont know if I even want to. Part of me wants to just be done and start over completely. But we do have 3 dirtballs to think about also. The stress in this house was astronomical in size for a long time. Its gone way down since moving into separate bedrooms, but its still there. The years of combined emotional abuse we've hurled at each other (his due to some pretty severe PTSD issues, mine due to self defense and feeling the need to retaliate) has really divided us emotionally towards each other.

Yes..we are going through therapy to work on the PTSD and other issues...

No..I dont think either one of us need to run out and throw in another relationship into the mix right now thinking it will FIX either one of us. I know we both have individual problems that need some work before we head into any other direction.

But life has a way of handing us things when we least expect it. And this possible poly subject has come up because of discussions started in counseling.

Is there ever "one true way" to make poly work? How common is it for people to have one person who is kind of a life partner and one who is a kink partner? Does it end up working like two separate relationships or does everyone kind of end up in a relationship together? Does having an intimate connection with one person take away from the intimate connection you had with your original partner? What about when the intimate connection with your original partner is already damaged? Is adding the poly equation ever a good idea at ALL when one partner already has emotional and psychological issues involving paranoia and insecurity? Even if therapy can help with those issues, would adding a poly dynamic just bring them all back up? How do you work out boundaries in each relationship. Should relationships have boundaries? Expectations? Should I hope that my expectations could possibly be met or am I setting myself up for failure??



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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 11:42:33 AM   
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There is indeed one true way, and thats your guyses way.

It succeeds or it fails, there is no guarenteed way.

You don't know until you do it and it comes to the end of your life together.

There is like life, nothing else.

And BTW (intimacy is different aspects for men and women, you know) What you see as intimate he might not, and vice versa.



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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 11:47:57 AM   
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quote:

Is adding the poly equation ever a good idea at ALL when one partner already has emotional and psychological issues involving paranoia and insecurity?


NO

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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 12:06:33 PM   
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I thought I recognized your avatar. Less than three weeks ago this is where your head was at: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3788814/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3788814

How'd that work out?

Just as I questioned him prioritizing his guns over his marriage, I must question your priorities too. When you say "we do have 3 dirtballs to think about also" - you have three children? I think you need more Dr. Laura and less Dr. Ruth.

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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 12:19:43 PM   
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Honestly Kalik...Im with you. We need an amicable split along with some serious years in therapy and a lot of praying over how the outcome will ever effect the dirtballs. In my mind....THAT is the answer...

Not so in his mind. In his mind we will either fix this or destroy each other (and the dirtballs) in the process. So Im scrambling to keep up with his suggestions and "fixes" and trying very darn hard to keep my mind on top of whatever tangent he has blindly run down today. This one is just the most recent. And oddly the one that makes the most sense....

Simply. Im overwhelmed. There arent any answers. None.


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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 12:23:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiarsia
Here I am, all these years later, still wondering the exact same thing I fell apart over before. Is it physically possible for ONE person to be and provide everything I need and want?

Some people believe that it is and other people believe that it isn't.  I can't sit here and say that it isn't possible because some folks find all that they want wrapped up in one person.

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Is it even fair for me to ask anyone to be that?

As I see it, the question isn't about asking "anyone".  You have a person in your life who is *the* person you would be asking it from.  Is it fair that you are asking him to be that.  From what I'm reading here, you did ask at one point, that wasn't the person that he really was, ergo, it was somewhat unfair.

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Am I for some reason asking to much?

It's not necessarily that you are asking too much.  It's that you are asking someone else to live up to the expectation that you may have created.

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Do I have unreasonable expectations?

For the situation that you are in, you very well might be. 

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Should I learn to shove aside wants and desires and just make do with the status quo?

Nobody can answer this but you.  When all of the options available to you are laid out on the table, which of the choices is what you want most?

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Is there ever "one true way" to make poly work?

Nope.  Take a look at some of the regular posters to this board.  For example, I have a different type of poly situation when compared to someone like KoM.  Yet, it works for each of us based on what we want from the situation.

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How common is it for people to have one person who is kind of a life partner and one who is a kink partner?

I couldn't say how common it is, but there are certainly enough of us to show that it happens fairly frequently.

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Does it end up working like two separate relationships or does everyone kind of end up in a relationship together?

It depends on who you ask.  I happen to recognize each.  For example, V-type poly is different than O-type poly, even though there will be elements that cross over.

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Does having an intimate connection with one person take away from the intimate connection you had with your original partner?

No.  If anything, I was surprised that it deepened our intimacy. 

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What about when the intimate connection with your original partner is already damaged?

I can't really address this.  We weren't 'damaged' when we decided that poly was a good solution to Me getting My BDSM wants fulfilled.  My other half isn't submissive and him bottoming to Me doesn't click in the right way.  He actually turned out to be a top, so it just means that we aren't compatible for that particular aspect.  It doesn't mean that the intimacy that we have as a couple doesn't work.

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Is adding the poly equation ever a good idea at ALL when one partner already has emotional and psychological issues involving paranoia and insecurity?

I wouldn't say it's the greatest place to start from.  Insecurity doesn't especially work well with poly, even when people claim not to have those issues in the beginning and say they have only come up since becoming poly.  Potential landmine would be an accurate phrase here.

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Even if therapy can help with those issues, would adding a poly dynamic just bring them all back up?

Possibly.  There's no way that I can sit here and promise you that they absolutely won't.

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How do you work out boundaries in each relationship.

I've got a really long original post discussing the way that we went about it.  Each relationship is going to be different depending on the individuals involved.

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Should relationships have boundaries?

Yes.

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Expectations?

No.  I'm from the school of thought that says an expectation is a resentment waiting to happen.  What you really have when you start out are hopes of how it will work. 

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Should I hope that my expectations could possibly be met or am I setting myself up for failure??

That depends.  You need to ask yourself exactly what "failure" is to you.  That it won't work?  That it means you might find that you prefer one partner to another and you might end up wanting to choose one over the other?  That you'll have to learn (all three) how to deal with the emotional issues that come up from these situations? 

Look at all of your possible outcomes.  You have to ask yourself (and your husband) if those risks are ones that you are willing to take.  If it does cause severe issues in your primary relationship, are you willing to give up on the idea of being poly and go back to the way that you are now?  Have you discussed feelings at length about the worst case scenarios?

Since you do already have a therapist, I think these are some things that you could discuss with him/her and get some feedback.  Is a change like this something that someone who knows you (at least in a professional setting) thinks would be a good idea?


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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 1:18:24 PM   
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quote:

So Im scrambling to keep up with his suggestions and "fixes" and trying very darn hard to keep my mind on top of whatever tangent he has blindly run down today. This one is just the most recent. And oddly the one that makes the most sense....


From your OP, I got the impression that poly was YOUR idea. What exactly does he want who to do with whom?

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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 2:09:21 PM   
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He thinks that a good bit of the reason behind our differences is because I want a D/s dynamic that he is unable to give me. My connection to him just isn't on that level and because of our difference in opinion ofwhat exactly that dynamic should entail (his fetishes and fantasies are way different than mine, for example I really just want force and overpowering in sex and want to make most of my own decisions. He tends to micromanage and control just for the sake of control) I don't resent him for that, its just who he is and not part of the relationship parameters we discussed in the beginning.

So now he thinks we should drop all of that between the two of us and not even try anymore and I should find someone else to be my Top as a way of filling out that desire of mine.

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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 3:34:42 PM   
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Does it end up working like two separate relationships or does everyone kind of end up in a relationship together?
For us things began with the intention of keeping them as separate relationships, but that didn't happen. The relationships got tangled and just changed in everybody's mind into a single relationship. I suppose if you want to keep them apart you can, it really depends on how you set things up, but if there is any interaction at all between your two partners then there is a relationship of a sort, so it seems to me that on at least some level it could be looked at as a single relationship no matter what the ostensible arrangement was.

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Does having an intimate connection with one person take away from the intimate connection you had with your original partner?
In my case, and the others have posted similar thoughts elsewhere, the opposite is true. The experience has brought us closer and closer together. There is a greater intimacy between Hanners and I than ever before. The same goes for the relationships between myself and Suze and Cheri. And between the three of them as well. It may not do the same for you, but it has for us.


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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 3:53:49 PM   
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Well, if you can find a Top that your husband can micromanage, then everyone would be happy :)

But seriously, it sounds like your relationship is too unstable to bring a third party into it, even for NSA topping.

If I were you I would channel my energy into parenting, marriage, and workouts at the gym.

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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/17/2011 9:37:34 PM   
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There arent any answers. None.
yeah there is. you just don't want to accept it.

first he won't go to couples counseling because "they might take away my gun". now his solution is for you to find top to play with? he says fix it or destroy each other? wow, that's a constructive bit of blackmail.

i hate to have to be the one to break it to you babe, but it's already destroying you and the kids. end it before you fuck up yourself and the rugrats irreparably. keeping a toxic marriage going for the sake of the kids is just fucking wrong. it borders on abusive.


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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/19/2011 12:48:54 PM   
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Is adding the poly equation ever a good idea at ALL when one partner already has emotional and psychological issues involving paranoia and insecurity?


HELL NO!

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So now he thinks we should drop all of that between the two of us and not even try anymore and I should find someone else to be my Top as a way of filling out that desire of mine.


It sounds like he's made his decision.  If he doesn't want to try anymore, that says it all.  If you bring a 3rd person in to make you happy, it sounds like your hubby will eventually be edged out anyway (just my humble opinion) and then where will your "3 dirtballs be during divorce proceedings when it comes out that you have a man on the side (even tho hubby initially agreed to it). 

It's not fair to bring anyone into this mess until it's all been straightened out, either you go your separate ways & you both find what makes you happy or you can stay together & try to force the issue. 

People grow apart, it happens.  There's no shame in that.  It's best to end things on a civil level.  That would be better for the kid's.  Staying together for the sake of the kid's while you find another man doesn't do them any good.  Kid's aren't stupid, they know the tension in the house is thick enough to cut w/a knife.  You think they don't notice the sleeping arrangements?   Like HLH said below.........................

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i hate to have to be the one to break it to you babe, but it's already destroying you and the kids. end it before you fuck up yourself and the rugrats irreparably. keeping a toxic marriage going for the sake of the kids is just fucking wrong. it borders on abusive.



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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 8/19/2011 12:54:04 PM   
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I just read the thread...http://www.collarchat.com/m_3788814/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3788814
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If this is the end I just want it to be over.


Things are going from bad to worse.  You know the answer, you just don't accept it & that's understandable.  I don't know how old your kid's are or if they're showing signs of stress yet (bullying other kids, lashing out etc) but it's coming if this keeps up.

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RE: Lots of thoughts... - 9/1/2011 7:41:52 AM   
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  Either fix or finish this relationship before you
start another. You both have issues that need
resolving adding another would only make things
worse like having a baby to fix a bad marriage.

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