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Input requested - 9/19/2011 9:09:58 AM   
KnightofMists


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I was recently ask to present a poly workshop. I already have lots of thoughts on the subject. But I want to bring it here and ask;

If you go to a poly workshop or lecture... What is it you are hoping or seeking to learn from it? What motivates you to attend?


And for those that have read my posts over the years and have some appreciation of my poly dynamic. Is there something specific from my perspective you would want learn or listen to?

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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 9:47:13 AM   
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As a person who is not poly I would probably still attend such a workshop to gain broader understanding of how such relationships work 'on the inside'. The complications of having varying dynamics between each party ivolved. IE, if you have two slaves, is your dynamic the same with each, or different? How do they deal with those differences? How do you address jealousy issues without putting one or more people in the dynamic on the defensive?


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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 11:02:44 AM   
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First, unless the workshop is for a specifically kink-oriented group I would seriously play down the M/s aspects of your relationship, but that would make it a little difficult to explain the conflict resolution part of things.

Now, on to the answer.

I think a really important point to cover is the enormous differences in the various different hierarchical structures possible and how those, more than almost anything else, will dictate how the poly unit functions.

A solution that works for your house would be unlikely to work in LadyP's or ours, and visa versa. This incompatibility of solutions is due to the different numbers of people involved and the way those people have structured their interactions.

I'm probably going to use the wrong words in the next part, so hopefully you can overlook that and get the gist of it anyway, so here goes. I'm going to use our house, yours, and LadyP's as examples, simply because I am more familiar with the structures of those three

In your house, all the members are involved with all the members so I would say all three of you are being poly, furthermore, all are within the scope of the single D/s relationship

In LadyP's house only she is really being poly, as there is only a friendship connection between MrP and clip, and further, the D/s applies only to her and clip.

In our house, like yours, we are all being poly, but the D/s apect only applies to two of the four.

Now assuming we are dealing with these three houses, then you can see how the problem solving and conflict resolution would be handled differently. In your case, any conflicts will be your department, and will be the business of all involved.

In LadyP's house, there are effectively two unrelated relationships, so most of the conflicts will only be the business of 2 of the 3, and how it is resolved will depend on which of the two relationships is involved. Issues between her and MrP will be handled very differently from issues between her and clip.

In our house, there are some issues that are strictly the business of Hannah and Heather, and others that are the business of us all, and those will each be handled differently as well.

This is the thing I would most want from a poly workshop, not how you handle things, but some different examples of how poly houses are structured and how they handle things based on those structures. So ideally you would present a basic principle, then provide some examples of how that principle is applied in a few different houses to show how that principle can be applied in the very different structures of the different houses. Give the audience some templates to use in trying to adapt the basic principles to each of their own very unique situations.

Another thing would be some concrete examples of rituals and or procedures in place. For example, it is one thing to say "communication is key", but that is sort of vague, some ideas on how individual houses arrange for that communication would be helpful, such as maybe regularly setting aside a specific time to have a state of the union discussion, calling impromptu family meetings, or some sort of formalized complaints department type arrangement.

I guess basically what I would like to get out of a workshop is not just the principles, but a few concrete examples of how different houses implemented those principles.

Sorry for rambling, typing as I think.

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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 1:21:35 PM   
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thank you for the comments....

ProlificNeeds... It does seem that Jealousy and dealing with jealousy is a common point of interest for poly. Which makes it even more interesting for us since jealousy is not something that has occurred within our dynamic. For the most part.. it has been the steps that we take that has undermine the motivating factors that develop these emotions in the first place... I fully expect to take about the tools and process we have take to avoid this from occuring.

SuzeCheri... I do agree that Principles that are supported by examples are an important aspect to the discussion. I do appreciate that different structures of poly is an important aspect and will affect how a give dynamic will function from those principles. For example, Principle or foundation block to a successful relationship would be to develop problem solving//conflict resolution skills and processes. Each given dynamic will handle problem solving and conflicts differently. The key though is understanding how it can be done within the relationship. Your example of it being all in my hands is far from accurate however. This maybe as result of your own understanding of what an M/s dynamic is for you. I see you mixing problem solving and conflict resolution with the decision process of the dynamic. It is very easy in my dynamic because of the M/s aspect. I make any and all decision I so desire and delegate the rest. However, a decision process is not a problem or confllict resolution process. They go very nicely together and one usually leads into the other. But sometimes the problem/conflict resolution is more about clarity of understanding rather than making actual decision on where the relationship needs to go. Defining boundaries and expecttaions of the dynamic is an important step.. this is what gives the relationship it's structure.

To use your example of the three families. If Alandra has an issue with Kyra she would actually first address it with Kyra first. If they come to no resolution they would bring it to me together. In both steps there would be some basic tools and behaviors used to bring about a constructive discussion that will bring about a necessary resolution. This is a process established in our dynamic. For LP it is going to be a different process but yet she will not be successful unless she has one and it's effective. What if her her hushand has an issue with Clip. Her husband will need to understand how to proceed with it. Maybe LP will want everything to go through her first with regards to Clip... or maybe she wants him to address it with him first. Maybe it's not that simple in that certain area her husband brings it to her first and in other areas to Clip first. The key principle is that it is there and functioning! Just is it needs to be in your dynamic of the four. You made note that some issues are strictly the business of Hannah and Heather and others the business of all. This is an indication of establish relationship boundaries that I believe are very necessary to be successful.

I also agree that this whole idea that communication is the key to be vague if not rather lame. There are tools and processes that a person can doto bring about effective communication. We have things we do and I expect to share them with the class.

thanks again for your thoughts... it is appreciated.

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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 4:06:18 PM   
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If I were attending I'd want to know how ownership of property is handled. I'd like to know about wills and Powers of Attorney. How is everyone protected legally when the government recognizes marriage as being between 2 people only?

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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 6:30:03 PM   
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Kind of rambling Myself here, so I hope this will be effective.

Depending on how much time you've been allotted, and the circumstances surrounding the presentation, I would probably want to include some very brass tacks basics.  If we're talking "Introduction to Poly 101," I would plan on spending a little bit of time discussing that various types of poly exist.  Spend at least a bit of time on the poly alphabet soup.  The differences between O type poly, V, N, so on and so on.  If you are in a setting where authority dynamics are also a theme, make some reference that power structures and hierarchies can work differently in all of these, including one head of household (the inverted T), shared authority (regular T for D/D couples who have co-ownership), and descending authority.  This will serve two purposes for you.  One, this will allow the members of your audience who are in poly relationships to feel "included" in your presentation.  Two, folks who aren't familiar will be drawn in by getting an understanding of various options for a poly home.  (You know what they say about that first fifteen minutes.  That's when you capture their attention.)

I would want to hear something about your evolution.  Touch on the time period where it was just you and Alandra, how you decided poly was for you, and even that there were other attempts before Kyra came along.  Then, include how Kyra came into your lives. 

From what I remember, you three had a fairly smooth transition for those things that were pretty content within your own four walls.  I'd still include things like conflict resolution, communications skills, and your personal structure.  What worked and what didn't is always good to talk about, with gratuitous mentions that other folks may do it differently.  Use some specific examples of challenges you had and and how they were resolved.  Even if they didn't effect you, I'd have some mentions in there about common poly problems (jealousy, for example) and how working those types of things would be dealt with in your home.

Last but not least, I would definitely suggest some time reserved for Q&A.  If possible, have all three of you available for that so people can direct questions to any of you.

Good luck.  I know you'll do great.


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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 7:57:31 PM   
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Unless the OP is an attorney, discussing how to legally protect everyone in the house can be construed as the illegal practice of law and really should be avoided. The best thing to do in that regard is to have available he names of some kink friendly attorneys the people attending can contact.

It may seem over cautious, but if the OP were to state (for example), "your will should say 'x'" and an attendee wrote one that says that, it doesn't mean it is legally binding. Those people can then potentially file suit against the OP for giving them bad legal advice. Regardless of how much of a longshot that may be, much better to be safe than sorry.

Pointing out that there can be some legal issues that can go with a poly relationship and stating that there are powers of attorney and ways to structure wills and trusts followed by saying there are kink friendly lawyers to guide them will keep him out of potential trouble and still make people aware of what they should do for protection to their poly family.inting out that there can be some legal issues that can go with a poly relationship and stating that there are powers of attorney and ways to structure wills and trusts followed by saying there are kink friendly lawyers to guide them will keep him out of potential trouble and still make people aware of what they should do for protection to their poly family.

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RE: Input requested - 9/19/2011 10:56:02 PM   
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I would discuss boundaries as the fundamental principle. Trust and communication are important to relationships, and you can help others by showing them ways to improve upon these aspects. Draw upon your own experience with conflicts. Think about times when you had difficulty with schedules, finance, jealousy, ect;. Draw upon how you went about overcoming those problems, how they impacted the relationship both negatively and positively, and relay that to your audience in a way that will help them relate.

You might also explain the strengths of being poly, how it enriches your lives, and how it helps you grow. Discuss the negative aspects, how it takes different forms and comes often out lack of experience or planning. Leave the topics broad if you are low on time, but detailed if you think you have time to explain it. Offer up people they can contact who are also poly they can ask questions to. Make the workshop less about what YOU define poly as, and give them a foundation for them to explore and learn as the audience. Try to make the workshop less about taking notes and doing it in a OTW and more about being a process.

I would also explain that people will have differing views, differing dynamics, and differing structures. Instead of pulling out a map and drawing up V's and O's just explain that each person will have to structure thier relationship that is best for them and thier partners. That having a harem of sex toys isn't the same as having a true relationship with multiple partners, that it takes work and time, and that it's not allways double rainbows and leprechauns.

And finally, consider leaving some time at the end of the workshop to take questions from the audience, if the ladies can be there to participate it may help for the audience to be able to ask them questions from their perspective they can offer answers you may not otherwise be able to provide. If not your ladies, perhaps some other poly subs and Dom/me's can be there to answer questions you may not be able to, and share thier experience.



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RE: Input requested - 9/20/2011 4:44:36 AM   
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i'd be motivated to learn the best ways of letting others know it's not as uncommon as they think.


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RE: Input requested - 9/20/2011 5:16:18 PM   
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Funnily enough I've been thinking about this a lot... what I hear coming up constantly is once everyone is in place, how do you make it work over the long run... I realize that's fairly broad but its a starting place...



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RE: Input requested - 9/23/2011 9:34:26 AM   
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I think you have plenty already for a workshop but if you still need inspiration, check out the chapter titles in "The Ethical Slut." I particularly liked the Jealousy and Conflict Resolution chapters.

http://www.amazon.com/Ethical-Slut-Practical-Relationships-Adventures/dp/1587613379/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316795529&sr=1-1

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RE: Input requested - 9/23/2011 1:33:55 PM   
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As someone who isn't poly (and if the audience possibly includes people who may be thinking about poly but haven't been actively looking yet) I would maybe like an explanation about why poly vs swinging

and also how do you know that what you are looking for is a poly relationship vs simply being a bit bored in your current relationship.

do you disclose to others and how do you do this and decide who to disclose to?

Oh and also maybe discuss some myths - eg, poly means will screw anyone or will have a hundred partners

Please let us know how the workshop goes KoM 


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RE: Input requested - 9/25/2011 2:23:09 AM   
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I'd want to learn if tying someone up how the other two can be involved instead of it just being
one doing things and the other just looking at it as it is happening!
And also what kind of things can be used ie. rope, cuffs .ie!
Thanks!

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