AnnaOfAramis
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Greetings Master,
This was a wonderful post. In regard to the two posts on the previous thread they boil down to if the man isn't mastering the woman, it isn't going to happen not matter how much the woman wants it to. It isn't something where a woman can decide to act like a slave and somehow hope she feels like one, because she never will because she will know she is mastering herself. Ultimately, that feels extremely insecure. You spoke here:
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Mastery of the woman and her heart on the other hand is that invisible chain that all women seek, and I do mean all in this instance. This conquest of the “love slave” is what the human male/female condition is ultimately about. At least as the Gorean sees it. Norman spoke to this in sufficient depth that we should understand it by now. Now I’m not sure if it is a pair limited experience, it may or may not be, I suspect that this will be a provision resolved by the persons involved.
Ultimately women only seek one real thing from a man......Security. Women accepting of reality realize that men do not feel, think or love the same as they do and that to seek a mirrored effect from men is foolish and in the end heartbreaking. The one thing that women need from a man is security. Security in terms that he will provide direction, safety, purpose and a host of other details that demonstrate his commitment to the relationship with her; in short security that he is committed to her. It is also important to remember that men, generally are not naturally compelled to monogamy , while women in fact are(this is not an absolute so you nymphonic sluts out there remain calm).
of a woman's need for security, and that just completely hits the nail on the head. That mastery, that invisible chain, and the commitment to her make her feel held and supported. Whenever she is in doubt about that is when she feels her foundation uncertain and that is when you usually have a slave who starts acting out- probably because she wants to test the hold on her and make sure it is firm. Also what you say about most men not being monogamous- Master often says this. At first it was hard to accept. But in the end, all that matters is the commitment to you and the rest doesn't matter because you have mastery. Also as you wrote, it is that bond of love that forges the chain that keeps the mastery in place. It didn't need to be there to start with - becoming mastered didn't need love, just a man capable of mastering, but it seems that in order to maintain it over a lifetime, that love would have to be present. Most women need to have that in their lives. Were it a matter of being a slave for a year and then moving on that would be one thing, but to remain mastered for a lifetime by a man, a woman would need to get her needs met. As FW Ishtarr says in her post below,
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Women who seek mastery get mastered by a man capable of doings so precisely BECAUSE the man mastering them lives up fully to the standards the women wants her man to adhere to.
She gets mastered, because, in her mastery, and his living up to her standards, her most basic biological needs and desires are met.
The ONLY reason why a woman -any woman- even sets out on the search for a man capable of mastering her is to fulfill her own needs and desires.
The need and the search for mastery, is an entirely selfish desire and pursuit on the woman's behalf, to the point that woman searching for masters are usually even less willing to settle for less than they "demand" to be fulfilled than the typical vanilla woman who is willing to compromise on her needs in order to secure a stable partnership.
When a man sets out to master a woman, he'll always have to live up to higher standards than when he sets out for an equal partnership, because in being mastered a woman gives up a most important part of herself -her self-determination and autonomy- and puts this all in service of the man who masters her.
She doesn't do this without expecting something in return, she does this because she very much demands that in exchange for his control over this part of her self, he will live up to be exactly the type of man she needs to completely be herself without reserve.
Thank you both for posting these thoughts. A very interesting thread.
Well wishes,
anna
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“I refuse to be the leader. I want a man ... always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot."~Anaiis Nin
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