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RE: Love equally? - 11/5/2011 3:20:36 PM   
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Well I'm going to chime in and try answer, because Hannah is out, and she is teaching me to be a Domme in her model. This idea of the responsibility of each partner in a power exchange is something we have spent a lot of time discussing, in part because it seems to run counter to so much of what I thought D/s was about. If I have anything wrong, I'm sure she'll post to correct me, as well, that we'll have a long talk about it in person.

As far as Hannah sees it, the basic deal in a power exchange is that the submissive gives the decision making authority to the dominant, and the dominant thereby assumes the responsibility for the submissive, not entirely unlike a parent/child relationship. The understood agreement is that the dominant will make those decisions which are in the best interest of the submissive, that the submissive will get out of the arrangement what they want and need. In exchange the submissive agrees to follow the dominant's lead, and to allow the dominant to do all those scary things to/with them.

In this case she is referring specifically to the relationship structure and dynamic. It is her responsibility, as the dominant partner, to establish the sort of home that will be to the benefit of all of us, that will give us each what we desire. She feels the way the house functions needs to be tailored to the people in it, to account for the talents, abilities, limitations, and the desires of each of us individually, and collectively.

For example, if any of us feels we would like to add another person to our home, it is Hannah's decision, but she has to consider what the effect of adding this person would be on the existing dynamic and on all the other family members. She has to assess how well the new person will fit into the existing structure and what changes, if any, have to be made to accommodate that person. Then she would have to consider how those changes will impact the existing members, and what alterations that would entail, and so on. Whatever arrangement is finally arrived at will be whatever, in her opinion, is the most likely to allow us all to get what it is we are wanting out of the relationship, both individually and collectively.

You are right, Ghita, there is a responsibility on the part of the submissive, and indeed all the members of a poly family to communicate openly and honestly with everybody, but particularly with the dominant partner. If we want her to be able to make the correct decisions, then we have to provide her with all the information she needs. If we hold back or are less than 100% honest, then whatever decision she reaches is less likely to work. But in the end it is up to the dominant to make the decisions, and the responsibility for the success or failure of any decision rests with the one making it.

It is this attitude, this acceptance of the responsibility for the success of the relationship along with the authority that goes a long way to explaining why somebody as harsh and abrasive (and let's be honest, often downright rude) has managed to attract three women to be part of her home. Yes Heather was the honey that first attracted each of us, but it was Hannah's vision that brought us together into one family.

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RE: Love equally? - 11/5/2011 6:13:35 PM   
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quote:

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In this case she is referring specifically to the relationship structure and dynamic. It is her responsibility, as the dominant partner, to establish the sort of home that will be to the benefit of all of us, that will give us each what we desire...

.... there is a responsibility on the part of the submissive, and indeed all the members of a poly family to communicate openly and honestly with everybody, but particularly with the dominant partner. If we want her to be able to make the correct decisions, then we have to provide her with all the information she needs. If we hold back or are less than 100% honest, then whatever decision she reaches is less likely to work. But in the end it is up to the dominant to make the decisions, and the responsibility for the success or failure of any decision rests with the one making it....




This.

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RE: Love equally? - 11/5/2011 7:44:05 PM   
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Thank you Suze....that really does help to clarify, appreciate it!

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RE: Love equally? - 11/6/2011 7:11:52 AM   
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Which is a thought process I agree with 100%.

My point was the the OP was only giving a very limited view of his situation and there was no way I was going to say his owner was an idiot based upon that limited point of view.

His situation certain does not appear to be ideal and based upon his limited description, not a situation I would want or tolerate. But I won't say she is a worthless twit based upon it. I just do not have enough information for that.

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RE: Love equally? - 11/6/2011 1:50:22 PM   
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But I won't say she is a worthless twit based upon it. I just do not have enough information for that.
go ahead, you know you're thinking it.

to further elaborate and clarify my philosophy <not that suze didn't do a good job>. each person is individually responsible for their own happiness, in a relationship this generally entails speaking up when you aren't fucking happy. my job is to create the fucking opportunities for finding that happiness, to identify and remove barriers to our happiness. and when bringing in a new person into a poly arrangement,  the dominant has to be really fucking certain they have thought the whole fucking scenario through and has asked all the right fucking questions of all the right fucking people and so on, because if i bring in the wrong person as a 5th here, i can fuck up all four of our lives and ruin what we have. the same fucking thing applies when there is only one slave and you are adding a 2nd. you are gambling with everybody's happiness, and if you are neglecting the original fucktoy for the new, you haven't thought it through properly. odds are you didn't get any further than "oooo yummy!"

just as there is a hierarchy of authority, there is one of gratification as well, and it is the opposite of the authority one. the lower on the authority scale a person is, the higher the priority of gratification they have. this doesn't mean that the domme becomes the fetish fulfillment unit, it just means that the dynamic should be designed around what turns the sub/slave's crank. they have entrusted the domme with their happiness and pleasure, so if she has to forego some gratification now and then to ensure one of the subordinates gets theirs, so be it. she get shit loads of fucking perks as it is, it won't hurt her to allow the underlings a few fucking perks as well.

as an example of all this, heather does almost all the fucking housework around here and does is largely undressed and often in some way inconvenienced. it's not just because she is the slave per se, but because we all get off on that, including heather. she gets her fucking ya-yas out, we enjoy the view and get to torment her by making things more difficult now and then <which she likes even better>, and everybody benefits from having a really fucking clean place. with one little rule, everybody is fucking happier. now if a new girl were to join us who was very service oriented, that would potentially fuck things up, because it would entail taking something away from heather that makes her happy, so i would have to consider all the possibilities very fucking carefully - which would involve a lot of consulting and discussing of shit with everybody.

i hope that makes things clearer, though i suspect it probably doesn't. sometimes it's really fucking hard to articulate a concept that is so obvious to you that you don't even think about it, you just "know" it. that's why i prefer the girls ask me questions rather than me just try lecture them, that way the answer can be specific, there's something concrete to hang my thoughts on that allows me to expand and solidify the ideas and concepts to myself. a lot of the time things are just an instinctive fucking gut feeling and i find the socratic method particularly useful in nailing down the basis of those motherfuckers.

bah, i'm fucking rambling again.

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RE: Love equally? - 11/7/2011 11:00:15 AM   
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No, that made sense.

Do you need special boots for fucking rambling?

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RE: Love equally? - 11/7/2011 3:06:06 PM   
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Not really, everyday rubber boots will do, things can get pretty wet...




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RE: Love equally? - 11/7/2011 5:38:20 PM   
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Nice smile. Did you brush your teeth today?

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RE: Love equally? - 11/7/2011 6:09:58 PM   
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my word that desk is messy.

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RE: Love equally? - 11/7/2011 9:19:22 PM   
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She asked if she could use my Dictaphone.
The desk turned to shit while we looked for a punchline.

Nice new pedal fax machine.
We're pretty fucking cutting edge here at usetheregularphone.com

Oh there it was all along.

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RE: Love equally? - 11/10/2011 3:14:59 PM   
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In my Mind ... POLY does mean many but to have true "relationships" it takes devotion ...and if your this insecure over it ... well than its kinda obvious your not "feeling" that devotion

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RE: Love equally? - 11/10/2011 3:25:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynn

quote:

each person is individually responsible for their own happiness, in a relationship this generally entails speaking up when you aren't fucking happy.



Actually I think that statement nailed the entire concept on the head. RESPONSABILITY ... a concept often lost in the american modern existance im afraid ... I now refer you to Cheaptrick ...

a random anthem of mine if you will ... Life is a movie of sorts I deserve theme music ... Tee Hee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QgfqTMSEU4

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RE: Love equally? - 11/13/2011 6:19:23 AM   
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You Know ... I not always sure of your "eloquence" However the wisdom contained in it is always on Point M'dear :)


DOM means I dominate my world ... and my household is all I can reasonably expect to dominate.

I am a Master ...because I master my world , I control the climate and the comfort for all who reside withing my realm

Too many people bandy thise terms about without any real Idea of their meaning ...seems most appear to be bullyboys with mommy or daddy issues ... but then again what the hell do I know.




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