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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 3:22:52 PM   
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The law stating that she can breastfeed doesn't override the one that says the baby can't ride in the first place.
Is that so now? Well then, perhaps you would care to explain the meaning of this phrase: Notwithstanding any other provision of the law.


Not a law, but more than likely a sign that says "You must be THIS tall to ride this ride."


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 4:41:56 PM   
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IT DOES NOT, override laws that have nothing to do with breastfeeding except and unless it states so, which is why many of these laws speak of the nudity laws etc specifically. i.e., a woman can't be cited for nudity laws if she is breastfeeding.
you are correct in that those other laws do specify what laws are overriden, however, this one does not limit them and in fact specifies that it does override ANY (see now, I can use the caps as well woman) other law. now if you can show me where in the law there is a clause that does limit the opening line, then I will admit that you are correct. You however, upon finding that you cannot do so, will most likley not do likewise.

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As another example of it doesn't override all laws, it doesn't override the murder laws, meaning a woman is not allowed to murder someone just because she is breastfeeding and someone decided to tell her that's not appropriate.  See how that works.
Well, now you've gone from confused to right daft, haven't you?

And this Arpig fellow was correct, it was something in no way related to what I was commenting upon that you were addressing, but as before, I am not about to be holding me breath waiting for you to admit as much.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 4:59:08 PM   
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Just a reminder of sorts... the law specifices the ability to breastfeed or pump.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:01:28 PM   
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The law stating that she can breastfeed doesn't override the one that says the baby can't ride in the first place.


YOU SAID
Is that so now? Well then, perhaps you would care to explain the meaning of this phrase: Notwithstanding any other provision of the law.



You were speaking of the law, as was i. So yes, it is the same thing. You are trying to tell boi that the law because of the "Notwithstanding any other provision of the law" means a nursing mother can circumvent established laws that have nothing to do with breastfeeding, i.e., she would be allowed to take the kid someplace kids aren't allowed or in this more specific place circumvent the rules that are in place for safety reasons for the child. You believe that the words "Notwithstanding any other provisions of the law," means she could based on your application of the law mean that she can breastfeed while driving because the law states no one can interfere with same, which means no one can tell her she can't do that.


I don't have to admit anything, i have quoted the post i was responding too.  So how exactly is what you said NOT about what i am speaking?

But what do i know,  i am sure people outside of the U.S. know more about the application of U.S. law than someone like me.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:10:20 PM   
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The law stating that she can breastfeed doesn't override the one that says the baby can't ride in the first place.
Is that so now? Well then, perhaps you would care to explain the meaning of this phrase: Notwithstanding any other provision of the law.


Not a law, but more than likely a sign that says "You must be THIS tall to ride this ride."



Rule, law or sign, you can't take a baby on a rollercoaster. So the law saying you can breastfeed anywhere would not apply here.

As to the comment about eating or drinking....I was at court the other day and I asked about this. According to the clerk there is no eating or drinking in the courtroom and they really don't care how old the person is.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:11:01 PM   
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You were speaking of the law, as was i.
You were, were you? Well then, please accept me humble apologies. I must have been confused by the fact that you said it wasn't the laws that you were discussing, but rules unrelated to laws.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:15:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps you should read all of my posts, when Arpig decided to point out to me that boi may not be speaking about the RULES, but laws, i also commented upon that.  So maybe next time instead of trying to belittle someone, you instead take a second to realize that there may have been posts you missed == as it seems you have in this case.

All in all, law is not absolute, there are always interpretation of same -- that is why laws are interpreted and can be argued against in court.  Yes, a woman could take a park into court saying they violated her right by law stating they cannot tell her where she can breastfeed, however, that won't stop the park from kicking her ass out of the ride for attempting to bring a baby on board.  And i can guarantee you a court would side with the park and indicate that they did not violate the law by interfering on behalf of the child and its safety.

The thing is, you have to realize this is ONE law in a vast amount of laws.  That is what people are missing, the variables of the issue is not isolated on just the mother but also on the child.  Law is not an easy thing -- its why people make money off the interpretation of same. 

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:32:47 PM   
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Rule, law or sign, you can't take a baby on a rollercoaster. So the law saying you can breastfeed anywhere would not apply here.
Ok now, again, I am only discussing that one law, not those that lay out what has and has not been superseded.

If those making these rules have been empowered to do so by law, would you not say, that the way that law is written, it would indeed supersede those laws?

And further, if this is the case, then those rules would also be superseded because the laws that allowed for them has been?


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:37:18 PM   
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Yeah, i don't know the English language NOR do i know anything about U.S. law.  Yeah, that's it lol.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:43:42 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 5:49:16 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:03:34 PM   
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Yeah, i don't know the English language

Well it must be true, because....
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NOR do i know anything about U.S. law.

Nobody mentioned anything about your knowledge of U.S. law but you.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:26:10 PM   
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Perhaps one day you may show us the Man instead of the child when you post.  But i won't hold my breath.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:37:41 PM   
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Is that really what you came up with, Arpig?   Seriously?
Yup, you don't warrant much in the way of effort.

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Perhaps one day you may show us the Man instead of the child when you post.
I keep that hidden out of kindness to the other males on the board, so they will have a chance. besides, the fact that you don't consider me manly is really quite the compliment, I would hate to ever find myself behaving in a manner that you found appealing.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:41:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Judges get wide latitude in setting rules concerning decorum in their courtrooms. People are expected to show the utmost respect in court, and that leads to requirements that may even arguably violate constitutional rights. For example, attorneys (and sometimes even witnesses and litigants) can expect to be thrown out of the courtroom if they are not appropriately attired. The United States Supreme Court expects all counsel to wear traditional business attire in colors no lighter than navy blue or charcoal gray (go to http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/guideforcounsel.pdf if you don't believe me). Does this run afoul of the constitutional right to free expression? I would say so. However, the final authority on such issues is .... oh, wait.

Spectators are expected to be 100% silent, and therefore I would question whether one should even attempt to bring a baby into a courtroom if it is not necessary to the case.

I absolutely agree that there should be no breastfeeding in court. There also should be no eating or drinking by anyone. Biological necessity is not an excuse. When courtroom spectators need to urinate or defecate, I strongly support rules that make them leave the room to do so. No one should receive dialysis, chemotherapy, or blood transfusions in a courtroom either.

This isn't even a case of nudity double standards. Neither men nor women are allowed to expose their nipples in court. A general rule of thumb is, if you would not do it in a job interview, do not do it in a courtroom.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:48:25 PM   
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You keep telling yourself you voluntarily hide it.  That's what people who usually can't achieve tell themselves and others as they try and save face.

grins, good luck Arpig lol this last comment from you goes a long way in explaining things. 

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:50:59 PM   
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Judges get wide latitude in setting rules concerning decorum in their courtrooms. People are expected to show the utmost respect in court, and that leads to requirements that may even arguably violate constitutional rights. For example, attorneys (and sometimes even witnesses and litigants) can expect to be thrown out of the courtroom if they are not appropriately attired. The United States Supreme Court expects all counsel to wear traditional business attire in colors no lighter than navy blue or charcoal gray (go to http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/guideforcounsel.pdf if you don't believe me). Does this run afoul of the constitutional right to free expression? I would say so. However, the final authority on such issues is .... oh, wait.

Spectators are expected to be 100% silent, and therefore I would question whether one should even attempt to bring a baby into a courtroom if it is not necessary to the case.

I absolutely agree that there should be no breastfeeding in court. There also should be no eating or drinking by anyone. Biological necessity is not an excuse. When courtroom spectators need to urinate or defecate, I strongly support rules that make them leave the room to do so. No one should receive dialysis, chemotherapy, or blood transfusions in a courtroom either.

This isn't even a case of nudity double standards. Neither men nor women are allowed to expose their nipples in court. A general rule of thumb is, if you would not do it in a job interview, do not do it in a courtroom.



And when there is no one else to take care of the child?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 8:52:53 PM   
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Judges get wide latitude in setting rules concerning decorum in their courtrooms. People are expected to show the utmost respect in court, and that leads to requirements that may even arguably violate constitutional rights. For example, attorneys (and sometimes even witnesses and litigants) can expect to be thrown out of the courtroom if they are not appropriately attired. The United States Supreme Court expects all counsel to wear traditional business attire in colors no lighter than navy blue or charcoal gray (go to http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/guideforcounsel.pdf if you don't believe me). Does this run afoul of the constitutional right to free expression? I would say so. However, the final authority on such issues is .... oh, wait.

Spectators are expected to be 100% silent, and therefore I would question whether one should even attempt to bring a baby into a courtroom if it is not necessary to the case.

I absolutely agree that there should be no breastfeeding in court. There also should be no eating or drinking by anyone. Biological necessity is not an excuse. When courtroom spectators need to urinate or defecate, I strongly support rules that make them leave the room to do so. No one should receive dialysis, chemotherapy, or blood transfusions in a courtroom either.

This isn't even a case of nudity double standards. Neither men nor women are allowed to expose their nipples in court. A general rule of thumb is, if you would not do it in a job interview, do not do it in a courtroom.



And when there is no one else to take care of the child?


Really?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 9:07:19 PM   
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You keep telling yourself you voluntarily hide it. 
There you go with that reading problem again barely...I didn't tell myself I voluntarily hide it, I told you I do.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 9:23:52 PM   
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Really?


Yes, really. Do you not consider that to be a possibility?

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