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Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 11:24:19 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Does the idea of Gorean philosophies and identifying as Gorean hinder sometimes the self-admitted truths of self-identified Gorean Men's limitations and capabilities in regards to women sometimes?

Is part of identifying and understanding Gorean and subsequently one of the byproducts of Gorean ideals,  mastery and enslavement of women, also mean admitting that you may  have limitations in your life that cause you not to be capable of enslaving  a woman or you should not enslave women? 

I guess what i am asking is more of views in regards Gorean Men  understandings and admitting what they are capable of in life and what they are not.

What leeway should a Man have in coming to terms with his self-admitted limitations and capabilities when coming to terms with Gorean and identifying as such?  Self-discovery is a journey -- does that mean irresponsibility on some level is accepted or a certain amount of irresponsibility is allowed in the learning process of knowing Gor, understanding self and Gor and finally, enslaving women under the identification of Gorean?

Just a bit of discussion. 

angel

ADDED in an edit:  This is NOT in any way a thread or topic based on a slavery allowing a Man to identify with Gor, this thread does not concentrate on whether slavery makes a Man Gorean, this thread in all actuality does not address anything about whether enslaving  MAKES a Man Gorean.   I am speaking of the actions of the Men and their utilizing their application of the philosophies in dealing with self-acknowledged limitations and capabilies in dealing with women.  Gor is a male-dominated society, men are looked down on when they cannot control their slaves or even their FW.  Therefore, i am asking how he utilizes all that makes him Gorean to maybe admit that due to circumstances, issues, whatever in his life, he is not capable of, or should not, enslave women. 

Being a Man on the best of terms lol vanilla even usually means you don't admit weakness, limitations, or not being capable (can anyway say stopping to ask for directions??).  So i am curious how aspects of Gorean philosophies help in doing this so you don't act irresponsibly, without honor or without self-respect.  To me, i honestly don't believe it would be easy for a Gorean man who wants a slave to admit he was incapable of enslaving, or should not enslave a woman.  This has nothing to do with whether or not he is Gorean.

If it is still misunderstood, i will bring out what motivated this thread, but i am hoping it will be understood without that.



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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 11:33:32 AM   
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I recall a Gorean saying that goes like "The most dangerous lies we tell, are the ones we tell ourselves."  I believe for me and this has been spoken of so many times before, that to be Gorean does not mean you have to have a slave.  Okay, yes in the books Gorean Males enslaved women, it was almost the National passtime.  But here in this world of reality I can not go out and force collar a woman, althought there are a few I wish I could.  I do not define myself as Gorean by the slaves I have but how I keep my Honor and Respect.
 
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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 11:59:43 AM   
barelynangel


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sighs, i stopped myself from putting a note that i am NOT speaking about the idea that slavery defines a Gorean Man, because i know it does not.  i will edit it now if i can because i was afraid this is how someone would take it. 

That is not what i am asking, nor am i trying in any way to say that slavery defines Gorean or start a long hijacked idea about that.  i was hoping people would recognize that and not just parrot that idea.  My thread is a very specific idea and has nothing to do with a Man using slavery to identfiy as Gorean. 

Taking what you have said, you speak of honor and respect, both of those mean that at some point you HAVE to be able to admit to certain truths about yourself in order to act with honor and have respect in yourself.  i am not trying for a full unlimited debate on what makes a Man Gorean but how the Gorean ideals and philosophies he has affects his interaction with woman and at some point have him admitting certain truths to himself at the very least about what is is capable of doing. 

i hope this clarifies things.

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 1:15:29 PM   
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Greetings angel,

I am reminded of the Gorean saying "One must master himself before he can master another human being" (I have not found it in the books yet, though I think it is a wonderful truth).  This does not mean that he must know all and be all in Mastering before he enslaves a consentual girl, but it does mean that there must be an essentual level of self-knowledge present before hand.  This process of self-knowledge will grow after he has his delicious property under his mastery....it can not help but be so, he is discovering new levels that the Gorean without a slave will never experience.  (Note: a Gorean without a slave is still Gorean, but the non-slave-holding Gorean, who has never had human property, is missing a whole facet of Mastery and manhood). So, there is a learning curve that is present with Mastery as with any relationship....the new Master will learn much on his journey, and make mistakes.  A girl enslaved to a relatively inexperienced Master must understand that he is learning and she, as his property, will be something of an experiment for him.  BUT, an irresponsible Master is a dangerous Master.  A Master must have the intelligence and self-knowledge to be responsible from day one of his girl's submission.  "Master" has in it's meaning "the one responsible".  He must know his limitations, flash points of anger, his and her physical and emotional limitations.  He will learn much about her and how to (as Norman says) sweetly and mercilessly exploit her needs and longings. 

So, I guess to answer your question...Yes a Gorean Master must assess himself as to his ability to own and properly Master his female property, He must assess everything, everyday as to her training and his ability to emotionlessly discipline her (I never discipline when I am angry, I feel that anger clouds rationality, thus leading to irresponsible behaviour of the Master).  Irresponsibility is someything no Master can, and no good Master will allow in himself.  A Master is resposible at all times for his property....for her welfare, discipline, clothing, food, emotional well-being.  The list literally goes on and on.  He is fully responsible for her because she has given up all rights and decision making....handing it to him in her submission, declaring herself human property and her Master as her owner.

 

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 1:20:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel
Self-discovery is a journey -- does that mean irresponsibility on some level is accepted or a certain amount of irresponsibility is allowed in the learning process of knowing Gor, understanding self and Gor and finally, enslaving women under the identification of Gorean?

Just a bit of discussion. 

angel 





Greetings Masters, Mistress's, Fellow slaves and angel,

This girl has to disagree about the irresponsibility part. For a responsible slave will not even beg the collar of a irresponsible Master.

A Master that is irresponsible in His Mastery of Gor will not be able to handle what property He obtains. and a slave would not have lil to no respect for a Master that had time to do irresponsible things.

Now if Your meaning some ignorance or Mistakes He makes along the way in learning the way of being gorean . Yes there would be some Leeway as it is touch and go in the learning process of being gorean. Everyone at one time or another would have some mistakes even slave girls. But to be irresponsible can lead up to dangerous, life threatening and even  cause the loss of slaves.

What slave is gonna want to stay in a household that a Master can't responsibly Manage? This is the real world not Gor. and its consensual slavery. So a lot of things can happen in real that cant happen in the books. For instance a slave walking away.

Irresponsible actions can lead to not taking care of His property and not listening to the needs of HIs household. A Master might make mistakes but a responsible one will listen to the needs of His household and correct Mistakes as they happen..

After having said what i have to say. I woud definitely have to say no. There is no room for ignorance on the Behalf of the Master if He wants a Household that works and does not fall apart.(No disrespect to the Masters here.)



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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 1:56:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		greetings barelynangel
 
I sorry if I misunderstood your question. Now I can only speak for myself.  Now, Yes I do admit I have limitations, we all do in one form or another.   Irresponsibilty is a choice, I can be responsible or not.    Limitations do not mean that I am weak, there is so such thing as a "Perfect" person, nor society fiction or real.  Being responisble to myself I identify and learn what those weakness are and develop ways in my life to compensate for them.
 
Now, as I hate to throw out proverbs but  I found this Gorean proverb that to me, is how I should live my life.
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"Do not ask the stones or the trees how to live, they can not tell you ; they do not have tongues; do not ask the wise man how to live for, if he knows , he will know he cannot tell you; if you would learn how to live , do not ask the question; its answer is not in the question but in the answer, which is not in words; do not ask how to live, but, instead, proceed to do so."
Page 9 - Magicians of Gor

 
I do try and apply this to much of my daily life as possible.  Life is met to be lived, it is the Great Teacher.  We learn not by trying to understand, seek the ultimate answer or try to analyize everything, but rather go out and live life as it is presented to us.  AA calls this "Living on Lifes terms".  I hope this helps.
 
I wish you well
 
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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 3:54:59 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the answers so far,   Many of the questions do come from a learning process of realizing the self discovery journey Goreans "should" take when coming into the identy of what Gorean means to them. 

noyeh, its curious that you are putting the "responsibility" of knowing an irresponsible Man on the shoulder of a slave by deeming her a responsible who would not beg a collar from such a man.  Are slaves somehow more responsible or able to identify irresponsibility better then the Men who are seeking slaves?  Based on situations i have seen, the recognition doesn't seem to be clear many times.
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Master Jeff, i agree with much of what you are saying, but i am wondering if the rational of the philosophies continue through time that the self-acknowledgment of not being capable or limitations can overcome the desires of a Man who wants to own a woman, feels it is his right, and on some level, feels it is his expectation to enslave.  Men are simply human who at many times are ruled by their instinctual desires just as women are, are men who identify as Gorean more capable because of the "strength" for lack of better word, in what they believe of the philosophies and the focus of the guidance they believe?

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smiles, Master Nosathro, i completely agree being irresponsible is a choice, but what if one is not realizing he is being irresponsible and instead feels he is simply being Gorean and doing as he wishes?  Do the philosophies actually care within the application a "strength" of the Gorean focus, if you will, to allow a Man to overcome his own wants and desires to recognize the truth that he may not be capable of gaining his wants and desires especially if it comes to women and perhaps enslaving one?

grins, i do not know if i agree with your quote:

quote:

We learn not by trying to understand, seek the ultimate answer or try to analyize everything, but rather go out and live life as it is presented to us.

Because how can you then explain the idea in a counter-quote:

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Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ~ G. Santayana,  


How do you learn if you do not understand, answer and analyze what you live?  Just a little tangent question lol, sorry i couldn't resist.

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Just for the records to clarify a little more the OP, on many levels, i am not even speaking of the beginning of a relationship.  The self-acknowledgement of not being capable of enslaving or holding a woman in enslavement or the fact he should not have a slave could occur years after the initial collaring that up til then had been completely responsible and content in the relationship but things have changed. 

i am not talking about actualities of Gor, but of applying the philosophies, they are very different ideas which i believe will cancel out any idea of "This is earth, not Gor," as the philosophies are easily applied to our life even when the actualities of the sci-fi books are not at times.  Many times you have two people who are exploring Gor and neither have a clue how something is irresponsible.  And you end up with broken slaves, and Men who are preceived as monsters.  It just seems that irresponsibiliy is not as cut and dried, which is why i am kind of asking the questions. 

Thanks for far for the interesting perspectives and discussion, i look forward to more.

angel


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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 4:16:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel


Being a Man on the best of terms lol vanilla even usually means you don't admit weakness, limitations, or not being capable (can anyway say stopping to ask for directions??).  So i am curious how aspects of Gorean philosophies help in doing this so you don't act irresponsibly, without honor or without self-respect.  To me, i honestly don't believe it would be easy for a Gorean man who wants a slave to admit he was incapable of enslaving, or should not enslave a woman.  This has nothing to do with whether or not he is Gorean.



Two things come to mine here angel lass....

Firstly using your statement that "Being a Man on the best of terms lol vanilla even usually means you don't admit weakness, limitations, or not being capable (can anyway say stopping to ask for directions??)" simply deminstrates what being a Man is not. What you have illuminates is a poor male specimin who whilst he cointinues in his mindset will and can never be a Man as Goreans view him. It takes a Man to admit his failings and then seek to address them.

I would look more favourably on a man who identifies as Gorean who admitted he has trouble in enslaving a woman even though he may wish to do so. For it is them possible to work with him and help him overcome his fears. Yes they are fears, fears of failure or even fears of going against something ingrained in him. To o'come such fears the first step is self admission and then if necessary to seek help. This takes courage and courage is highly valued by Goreans.  It has been my experience that some Gorean Free Men have difficulties in enslaviong which has nothing to do with breaking awak from some former ideology but suffer the fear of failure and riducule.. It is not overly difficult to help a Brother move past this obsticle which after all is a como human situation which at one stage of the game all suffer from.... Ayt times we are our worst enemies and knowing Gorean Pride, this aloe can becoe a mighty hurdle but not one which can not be o'come...

Eited to Add: I know a couple of Goreans who have privately commented to me that findig and enslaving a girl is the easy part, knowing what to do with her after is where the hard work comes in if yoiu would keep a girl in Gorean Bondage for aby length of time and have her grow....


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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 4:48:10 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		smiles, thank you Master IronBear, your post is what i think i was seeking in idea.  What i am sort of reading into here is taking on the identy of Gorean helps a man step beyond the fears and insecurities that seem to have invaded Men in todays society but the first step may actually mean the focus of self-realization of what you feel you are not capable of could perhaps be a stepping stone to truly understanding the application of philosophies, that will take a person beyond the trying to apply the actualities?

Lately i keep believing a Man keeping a woman in  Gorean bondage tends to keep a girl in constant neverending improvement through his expectations and maintaining those expectations and in addition, altering and adding expectations of her as she is further and further enslaved.  On many levels, when i look back to when i was owned compared to now, that is exactly what it seems it was, i was constantly striving to reach expectations and standards, and as i changed the expectations and standards changed to keep me on the same avenue of constant never-ending improvement.  Its a process he won't give up on or give in to, she will constantly be striving to reach the perfection of what he believes slave should be.  if that makes sense. 

Thanks for your input.

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/29/2006 5:09:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetinges angel,

In one senseyou are correct, it should be a never ending progression and thus always changing of some expectations. Assuming I collared you today, I would want and expect that we would both be growing and expanding as we did so. I know my physical limitations and I also know other limitations which I would be opushing in order to attempt to become the best I am physically (including health) able to.  Mentally  and in similar areas, I accept no limits  to what I may accomplish and thus would be ever striving to  attain higher goalsw and would  expect you to be doing the same according to your psychological make up.... I believe that when people are in a relationship of any sort, it is wrong for one party to enter that relationship with the view of changing the other into what the dominant party has designed. relationships are about compromise. As a master, I need to know and understand a partner/slave and understand her inside out, her fears, limitations, her hopes and expectations. Thus I can guide and to some sculpt if you will her with the view that she will change as will I and thus it should be a neverending planned growth with the expectations that compromise will be needed and that she or I may change in different and unexpected ways.....


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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/30/2006 3:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Smiles, in the words of Harry Calahan "A Man's got to know his limitations."
angel, acknowledging that You can't do everything, that You have not been given every ability under the Sun does not make You weak. Remember, a central tennet of Gorean Philosophy is reality, that is acknowledging things as they in fact are, not insisting black is white just because You wish it to be.
If You as a Gorean Man do not have the skills, and strength of will, or just lack the desire to do the work necessary to own a full time slave of Your own, then reality dictates that You either develop those skills, and be willing to do the work, or that You do not own a slave, (just go rent one when needed from Honest John's kajira rentals!)
Gor can give those Men who came from the femino-socialist, estrogen overloaded matriarchy that is the modern world view the ability to become men again, to strive to be more than they are, and to re-claim their birthright. I was brought up in the Western Culture, and these traits were instilled in Me from infancy, along with the knowledge that it is no sign of weakness to know when to ask for help, or to admit that a certain task may be beyond My ability, however much I may wish to achieve it.
I am not entirely certain if this is what you are looking for, but at the very least I've added a new facet on the stone :-)
           

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/30/2006 5:00:46 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Ironbear,

Though you and i seem to see eye-to-eye on many things, i am not sure i agree with your statement here:

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   believe that when people are in a relationship of any sort, it is wrong for one party to enter that relationship with the view of changing the other into what the dominant party has designed. 


Could you explain a little more what you mean please? 

smiles, Master Shreveport, most Men who live by the standard that they have to be able to do everything or else they will be seens as weak are usually in their own little world lol of thinking.  Most women i know lol slave or not realize fully a man cannot do everything and don't expect them too be able too.  grins teasingly, i wouldn't want to imagine a world where Men actually DID know everything lol.

Strength of Man that i find in Gor is what makes me all wriggly and squirmy lol however, i sometimes wonder if the aspect and expectations of being strong and being MEN in Gor has actually been distorted into a heman or extreme of MAN mentality because the MAN idea has been so neutralized within our society.

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/30/2006 5:00:56 PM   
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Tal Shreve,

I'm still pissing myself laughing as when I told Neets your signature line.
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"And to sooth the Bosk, there was found a Singing Cowboy. To soothe the Cowboy, a kajira is needed."

Riders of Gor
Book 37, Pg 298

she bounced out of the chair to get "Riders of Gor" to check out the quote and it took me a couple of times to get it across that there are only 26 books published... (Such is the effects of an early rise and a freezing morning - Frost on the ground yet!!!!!!!)....

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/30/2006 10:35:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chuckles, glad You enjoyed it Iron Bear. I am one who loves to make others laugh, and could not resist the temptation here :-)
Besides, you never know, JN might be reading and decide to have a caste of Cowboys.

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/31/2006 9:07:17 AM   
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Greetings Master Ironbear,

Though you and i seem to see eye-to-eye on many things, i am not sure i agree with your statement here:

quote:

   believe that when people are in a relationship of any sort, it is wrong for one party to enter that relationship with the view of changing the other into what the dominant party has designed. 


Could you explain a little more what you mean please? 

smiles, Master Shreveport, most Men who live by the standard that they have to be able to do everything or else they will be seens as weak are usually in their own little world lol of thinking.  Most women i know lol slave or not realize fully a man cannot do everything and don't expect them too be able too.  grins teasingly, i wouldn't want to imagine a world where Men actually DID know everything lol.

Strength of Man that i find in Gor is what makes me all wriggly and squirmy lol however, i sometimes wonder if the aspect and expectations of being strong and being MEN in Gor has actually been distorted into a heman or extreme of MAN mentality because the MAN idea has been so neutralized within our society.

angel


This is easy angel lass if you take it outside the lifestyle and place it in a vanilla setting, there is nearly always one partner who is more dominant than the other. It is easy for the more domiant party to unconsciously or consciously attempt to mould or change the other party into his or her concept what they want their partner to be. For me and many others is wrong where as accepting some one into your life, the good and the bad and entering into the relationship with the ability and willingness to make compromises will for the most part lead to a healthier and thus better or stronger relationship.Lets say it is, using the aforementioned model, better to help your partner address bad habbits which are not critical to their happiness in the relationship. Burpingat the table or in public or farting publically or in bed with you could be addressed if both parties wprk together rather than the habbit becomming a point of conflict. However both parties need to understand and accept that they will both need in time to make changes and thus hgelp in creating a closer and more harmonious relationship.... All of this can be transposed into the lifestyle where the modus opperandi will change according to the relationship dynamic....


I would venture that those mature Men in Gor and outside Gor will not circum to the Extreme Male (We used to call them Occers in Aussie). The reason being that they are already safe in themselves as a Man and who they are. They have no need to prove anything to themselves or to others.... Pretty much the saying that before you can Master others you need to Master yourself.. A Man has no need for others to define Manhood for him he has already defined it and lives it for himself...


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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/31/2006 4:49:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings angel,

The truth should be held high for any Gorean, whether FW, FM, slave, kajira, anyone.

I personally hold truth high, very high.  Why lie about anything about yourself and what youdo, apart from a varying degree to be a private person.  If you do tell the truth, you can sleep at night, without the burden of anything upon your shoulders.

Does it have any limitations on my life.  No, simple.  I don't tell people that I can do somersaults for 2 hours, and then can't do 1....LOL.  I don't tell people that I have a job that I travel in, and can spend $5,000 a day without worrying me.  If a person just is themself, does not lie, and so thus can't be caught out, they can hold their head high in Gor.

Be well and take care.

Master Frank Ar.

PS.  I have to be honest, and I DO tell a lie.  I can't tell my mother how I treat another female within the confines of closed doors, and between consensual adults.  I mean she would be dissappointed and her blood presure would go sky rocketing...just grins.  The test that I know might come in the future, what if my daughter decides to enter Gor and asks me about it, but that is another thread.

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RE: Admitting the Truth - 5/31/2006 10:31:01 PM   
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Most people don't want to admit any type of problems they have.  Yes, a Gorean should be honest, with himself, his house, his friends.  But, we are all human, and have human wants and needs.  Such as the need to show that we are in charge, or know what we are doing.

Now, I'm going to go break my computer, because it sucks.....

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