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SireKane -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (1/18/2012 10:44:56 AM)

I'm a sadist,  I've owned a couple of masochist. Every masochist has their limit. You need to find it and be able to go beyond it.



ConnossuerofPain -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (1/20/2012 7:02:14 AM)

I prefer to use the mental aspect to punish those in my House. Once they initially belong to my house I bring out the blue paddle and explain what it is and also explain that if it actually comes down to using it, it will be bone bruising so that you will remember it for a long time. The infraction is countered by me creating an exact type mistake and making them figure it out on their own w/o them knowing what it is till it is figured out. Than it is explained.



Arturas -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (1/20/2012 11:42:35 PM)

Yes. From lots of experience (read, making mistakes) I echo the already well made comments on how one must lead and motivate rather than punish most submissive egos.



Tseegno -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (1/28/2012 11:29:52 AM)

Punishment needs to fulfill its role as negative reinforcement. If she enjoys riding the line of pleasure/pain then the art of dominance is in finding what works as negative reinforcement. It may be as simple as giving her the feeling she let you down. It may be positively reinforcing her when she does the behavior you want. I often find that withholding something can be an effective deterrent, something she doesn’t need but has become accustomed to having. Just be very careful about withdrawing your attention, or giving time-outs.



JanMikal -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/2/2012 4:32:21 PM)

I have told pain-lover subs in the past something along the lines of "Behave yourself, or I will tie you up and do absolutely nothing to you" You might be surprised how compliant a masochist sub might become after you've had them bound, waiting, and just sat in a chair next to them with a crop (or whatever) over your lap and simply read a book for an hour or two.



slutsMask -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/9/2012 12:12:56 PM)

It is easier to give unpleasant pain,
than it is to give sensual bonding pain.
I do not think most self proclaimed sadists really are that schoooled in doing it well,
it keeps me from playing with strangers actually.

An irregular rhthym that does not allow the maso to process,
irregular intensity in the force of the impact,
clamps somewhere new and totally non sexual to the maso, like the nose or ear.
and no matter what -- NO ramp up, go straight for the punishing blow,
no chance to get pain numbing and brain buzzing endorphins built up,
less is more effective, enough to cause pain, not enough to get any good stuff going on.
stay away from areas of the body that are normally involved in your sensual activities
go for the inner thighs, soles of the feet.

sadly i know about all this unpleasantness from activities that were SUPPOSED to be enjoyable,
there is a reason why <30 years experience doesn't get you near me with an impact toy.

Finding a new edge, just hitting past thier edge, that is pure reward for a maso.

When the punishemnt suits the crime, the maso will learn faster.
Physical pain is not usually the most effective teacher, but it can be done to maso's.




SailingBum -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/10/2012 10:18:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Masterimpulse

Hello ive recently gotten into the world of bdsm but ive been learning about it for two years and i have a slave that is a masochist, now when she disobeys i very well cant spank her or anything so may i get some advice on some creative ways to punish her?
Also any other advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.


Wow that so difficult to handle <tonuge firmly planted in cheek> UH how bout no pain unless she obeys????

BadOne



Diphon -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 12:02:58 AM)

I'm a big fan of writing assignments. Also pouring a bit of dried rice onto the floor and handing her chopsticks and a bowl and instructing her to put the rice back in bowl with the chopsticks(Sometimes you have to be specific). Or making her hold a ping-pong ball against the wall with her nose for an hour.



Englishcrumpet -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 6:08:06 AM)

it isnt all about the pain in punishment - theres another kink attached to it - the psychology behind punishment, i think some people just get off on the whole 'ive been naughty and need to be punished' - whatever comes next is almost irrelevant.  which is fine if youre into that but if youre a Dominant trying to instill discipline youre up a gumtree with that one.



sirsholly -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 6:24:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SireKane

I'm a sadist,  I've owned a couple of masochist. Every masochist has their limit. You need to find it and be able to go beyond it.


This is a deal breaker for me.

He and i do not really have a punishment dynamic but if we did and he knowingly took me past my limits the trust i have in him would be shattered and in all probability the relationship would eventually end.



DarkSteven -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 6:45:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SireKane

I'm a sadist,  I've owned a couple of masochist. Every masochist has their limit. You need to find it and be able to go beyond it.



I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant taking them past the point where pain is pleasure, not taking them past a hard limit.



GreedyTop -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 6:46:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: SireKane

I'm a sadist,  I've owned a couple of masochist. Every masochist has their limit. You need to find it and be able to go beyond it.


This is a deal breaker for me.

He and i do not really have a punishment dynamic but if we did and he knowingly took me past my limits the trust i have in him would be shattered and in all probability the relationship would eventually end.


*grins* it's not like you don't hurt yourself enough!!

*ducks and runs*



sirsholly -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 7:14:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: SireKane

I'm a sadist,  I've owned a couple of masochist. Every masochist has their limit. You need to find it and be able to go beyond it.


This is a deal breaker for me.

He and i do not really have a punishment dynamic but if we did and he knowingly took me past my limits the trust i have in him would be shattered and in all probability the relationship would eventually end.


*grins* it's not like you don't hurt yourself enough!!

*ducks and runs*

i am SO picked upon..



softnsexy73 -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 10:48:29 AM)

I have always read what others say and never put in my input, but two years ago through therapy I have come to the realization that I am indeed a masochist. I have been through 4 relationships that back that statement up. I have just recently discovered this was the lifestyle I needed to structure my life. To me the only way to discipline me is with embarrassment, humility, and grounding. Whip me once, whip me a million times, I will just love it anymore.



OsideGirl -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 11:08:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: SireKane

I'm a sadist,  I've owned a couple of masochist. Every masochist has their limit. You need to find it and be able to go beyond it.


This is a deal breaker for me.

He and i do not really have a punishment dynamic but if we did and he knowingly took me past my limits the trust i have in him would be shattered and in all probability the relationship would eventually end.


He meant the limits of pleasure, not limits, limits.

Kane plays hard and so does his submissive...but they have a great relationship that's been going on for (trying to remember) 16years, I think. Master and I have known Kane and his submissive for years in real life.




NtwoU -> RE: Punishing a masochist? (2/28/2012 3:57:11 PM)

my sub/slave may also be considered a masochist. So when I hurt her for play or simply for my pleasure she and I can both enjoy it. But when I punish her due to an infraction, specifically by causing pain, she no longer enjoys it because she knows she has disappointed me and neither of us enjoy it. Although I consider myself sadistic I don't enjoy it either but see it as a requirement to help her, to teach her, to train her.



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