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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 5:25:03 AM   
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smiles and waves to TheHouseofHussey...my thanks for the welcome...nice ta meet You

nephandi...i think your question a good one..and you are right...one who is whole should know themselves enough to realize it is not for them....but...i have known people..and myself as well in certain dark circumstances past...that have sought to hold onto the dream of what they believe will make them happy...to fill an emptiness inside that would, for a time perhaps, become a larger vacuum were they to let go of the dream.  i have also seen those who would take advantage of one in such a desperate frame of mind...either by ignorance of the situation, or for personal fulfillment.  regrettably when this happens it furthers the cycle of destruction for the weak one...and is the most horrid of tragedies.  a pain no one should ever have to feel.  the right and wrong of it is so obvious regardless of lifestyle choice...and, if Ironbear will forgive the repetition of the phrase (wince) when i said Gor/Shmor...(wince)..that's what i meant...regardless of lifestyle choice if it don't fit...walk away.  wasn't meant to say all Gor are bad...although i'm not 100% certain about the nun thing...heh

thank You Ironbear...i'm glad i was able to make myself more clear and i appreciate Your comments...
Checks the map for places the Norse live......meade?...did someone say meade?....

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 5:25:58 AM   
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Joybird, This forum is about people learning about Gorean, and living the lifestyle.  When someone who has no clue comes in and decides to dictate what their personal beliefs of not being Gorean is and how what the observe is wrong without having any intelligence of what Gor is, their comments based on ignorance over something they don't understand tends to be what confuses people on what Gorean is as much if not more than online roleplaying Gor does..

Basically,  someone who comes to the forums as to what they are here for, to learn about Gor (interested party 1) and many people do btw.  And you have people who actually understand Gor, live Gor, have lived Gor, have read the books, have the knowledge and intelligence of information explaining what Gor is (living Gorean), then you have someone like you (non-Gorean) who comes into the forums and starts declaring what is wrong based on her beliefs that have nothing in any way to do with Gorean in fact the non-Gorean doesn't know or understand a thing about Gorean, and all the non-Gorean  says is based on ignorance not knowledge, the non-Goreans have the interested party 1 completely confused, and because of the non-Goreans false information of what Gorean is and the non-Gorean's  ignorance to say no no living Goreans are wrong, interested party 1 now is caught in a tunnel of trying to figure out what is wrong and right in understanding Gor.   interested party 1 is in a Gorean forum so  interested party 1 is pretty much presuming that the information garnered here IS based on Gorean understanding, not non-Goreans coming in from another forum being a cop for non-Gorean's own beliefs without understanding Gor.  So  interested party 1 is going to presume what what the non-Goreans say is based on non-Gorean presumed understanding of Gor because they are posting in a place to learn about Gor.  And non-Goreans running in to "save"  what they deem victims (without truly knowing if there are victimes) may actually cause much confusion and pain and future hurt because  interested party 1 believes non-Goreans words are what Gor is. 

Are you saying that your need to march into a Gorean forum and declare what you believe is right and wrong even though you don't understand Gor in the slightest, is fair to those who are new to it trying to come in and learn about Gor?  Is your need to dictate your beliefs and how you wish to live is more important to get across than the purpose of this forum and that is to teach and discuss living through the Gorean philosophies?

Just something to think about.  This is a place people do in fact come to learn about Gor and living the lifestyle because of their interest in Gor, not their determination to find what is wrong with Gor.  Goreans love discussion, people who are learning Gor give great discussions.  Despite what you feel, people in this forum who are regulars, who respect what Gor is, do in fact try to teach and explain their way of life.  It doesn't always match what is outside the forum, we aren't trying to, nor are we trying to integrate or become BDSM or another lifestyle, the people dedicated to Gorean philosophies are simply trying to dispell many of the myths and wrong  understandings that non-Goreans create.  That is why this forum was created. that is why it is segregated because its a different way of believing on many levels compared to the other forums. 

Your need to "defend" a someone (with your own beliefs) who came into a Gorean forum to learn what Gorean is about, may, in fact, in your ignorance of deciding what is right and wrong for Goreans without understanding Gor, harm or hinder several others who are observing the forums trying to understand Gor and even harm the sub in question as she will encounter differently than what you are saying when interacting with Goreans. You are correct its not for everyone, however, i believe it would be better for someone trying to learn Gorean to hear it from someone who understands Gor.  As you could chase away someone who actually with a little gumption and strength can overcome their initial issues with Gor and find a lifestyle that is so naturally them, they would have lost a piece of themselves if they would have listened to you and walked away.

just something to think about.

angel

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 6:34:10 AM   
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One of the things joybird, which we do and tell those new to the Gorean Lifestyle, is that is is not for everyone. In fact we say that it is for very few people. A number of the slave/subs who ask about Gor have no knowledge whatsoever of either the books or the lifestyle. Some are new to BDSM and all of the "kink" scene. One of the things we try to do is to give them first hand knowledge based on the experience of those who do live and breath the Gorean Lifestyle. This is at times ably supported by some whoare not Gorean but who have the same demanding standards and beliefs as we do but choose not to identify as Gorean..

To me it would smell as dishonest if you for example, wandered in to learn and were spoken to with soft words and gentle treatment as lets say, a high maintaimance submissive better suited to being a pampered pet of a Dom, only to find later and be devistated by the harsh realities of our Lifestyle... I'd rather educate you to the facts that a slave of a Gorean Master or Mistress is owned property. She has nothing (Ok here we divert from the books and have to compromise if needs be because we live on earth where slavery as defined is illegal in most areas). She will not be a BDSM play thing, even though some of us do use BDSM area for personal play, but a service slave whose whole focus is to be pleasing to the Gorean Free and more so to the one whose collar she wears. here she can talk to and learn from girls who are kajirae (Gorean Slave girls) and have been for many years. She can watch and learn how the Free interact with each other. Proud, yes, and strong willed. Yet we can and do get along very well in the most and give respect to each other.. We can and will vehemently and passionately debate Gorean subjects amongst each other. We will post questions seeking for informational reasons and educational as well questions about some aspect or another. Example would be my thread about slaves and clothing. There is, if you have read the threads including this one, quite a deal of humour here too. Certainly a new commer is told to read the books as well as the archives of this forum where many excelent posts regarding being Gorean or being a kajira are to be found. Most here enjoy discussing matters of interest and responding to questions asked by those seeking information.

Many of those who come here seeking will never want be in a Gorean relationship. However it may be that those who are Dominant will take some aspects of what we do or believe in and bring that into their own living and philosophy. Some who are sub/slaves will find that some things they learn are easily taken into their own relationships.. You may even read where a kajia has asked something regarding what is considered to be the business of the Free, where she could be informed that the business of the Free is notthe consern of a slave. Such an admonition would probably sound harsh and unjust to outsiders. This was the basis of a long and heated war of words long ago here in this forum between experienced Doms from BDSM and experiened Gorean masters and even the girl who was at the point of the debate commented that being a kajira of many years realised that she was wrong in seeking to interfere..

I've also lost count of those who have been hurt and come here seeking something and who have been counselled and helped from those same masters who you could easily see as narrow minded and opinionated. We are opinionated when it comes to the Gorean Lifestyle and as such we do know what we are talking about. We live it nd understand it as those who do not can never understand. Angel has tried to give you the whys and I have tried to give you the hows and what fors..

I'm hoping that all of this will give you a better insite on who and what we are and do here. A lot of our ways and beliefs may not sit well with you. We can respect that and uderstand it too. We do expect that our beliefs and ways are respected in turn and that guests do not get all evangelistic and try to convert those here to other beliefs and ways.. There is room in the world for all.

Meade?.. Ayep I make meade and there Norse are found in Scandinavia. The Norsemen were erroniously refered to as Vikings..

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 8:05:04 AM   
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While i have seen Goreans take advantage of weak girls that might have had it better being send in the direction of a cudly, vanilla boyfrind that could nurse some backbone into them, not may do this, however, you must understand, most Goreans belive that if you are old enough and sane enough to vote, and to make lifestyle choices for yourself, you must be able to be hald acountable for them. i read a tread in another of the sections of this forum where it was discussed the morality of keeping a 24/7 sub becouse they cold get adicted to the grate sex tey got! to take advantage of somone clearly mentaly disturbed, yes, i think that be wery often wrong, but if not clearly disturbed, if one can take a choice it is the right of that person to make that choice, and the submissive is not the resposibility of the Dominant before she become his, nor is a lifestyle resposible for a few whitout a backbone that might wander in here and find somthing wrong for them.

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 10:45:53 AM   
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Pepole, should we set up signgs in the garden, Dont feed the trolls?

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 10:49:28 AM   
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Ahhhhh so now that the alpha slave is moderated the bets slave has been sent in to continue the attempts at disruption.. I shouldhave expected that the owned of HoH would hide behind his slaves.. So much for honour of HoH it is non existant..

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 10:54:55 AM   
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this isn't the only place tink is doing it either... sighs.... 

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 10:59:43 AM   
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laughs, Master Ironbear it probably is the same person, because its awfully funny that this person is now starting the same crap the other cannot do.

Its like a bad rash, keep trying to get it to go away, and it keeps coming back.

angel

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 10:59:57 AM   
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Oh well pepole have their fun in strange ways, some is creative, some anoy others, i guess some pepole can simply not help it.

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 11:05:54 AM   
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Could be angel, however tink is the beta slave of HoH and since the alpha one is out for a while and the ?Master doesn't see fit to grace CM, it just appears that he has his slaves posting for him. I have no doubt that he knows exactly what is being said and done in the forums.. She has tracked over to the General Forum and left a hmmm coment on puella'a post supporting Malkinius's rebuttal of Ken's post there. Ahh well ignoring them will do I guess, they will get board eventually.. .. I like the bad rash thought.. The CM version of the pox I guess..


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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 11:11:07 AM   
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Or the mods will realize their motives are far beyond the scope of the TOS and that their posting is not calculated to lead to any educational or productive discussion they are simply to try aggravate the purpose of the discussion boards whether it is the Gorean one or the main one and perhaps moderate the whole ISP because of the continual problems. I am not sure what their capabilities are based on it being a free site, but since it is free, that would be above the call of duty of the site. But we will see. I have faith in their looking at things fairly and objectively.


This household isn't much for productive thinking it seems so they divert to making snide comments and the like instead of discussing things as these forums are for. It comes down to they have nothing to say in response that is intelligent, so they deviate to the only thing they know. It is sad. What they hope to gain i don't know, but it states a lot about a person's and in this case a home's character and pride in who they are and how people see them.

Maybe someday they will have respect and pride in themselves, but until then they will continue on.


angel

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 11:20:17 AM   
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As I intimated on another post in this forum, the Mods have the technology available to sit on a hose and watch it closely, according to inferences made to me regarding other nicks.

I hope you follow that, I know it is rather circumspect.

 

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 11:24:08 AM   
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grins, i think so but i am hopeless when it comes to puters and how it all works in the background lol. I am trying to learn how to build websites lol so you can imagine with my non-puter brain lol its a load of fun.

Thank you for tryng to explain it Ron.

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 12:10:02 PM   
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Treat this like my mothers Bicon Frise puppy, he would bark and bite and make a mess and the more you yell at him, the more happy he become the more he misbehave, but ignore him and eventualy he get bored and start to listen.

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 2:32:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: allyC

Hello there, Master Shreve. I can't really say I have a Gorean slave list of 10 commandments, however, I did throw together 10 things that I think are helpful for a female slave (or potential slave) to read and/or understand.  These are things I have learned over the past several years.  I hope that someone finds some value in them.    I'm sure I missed some important stuff but this was just off the top of my head. -------------------------- 1.  Always do your very best to be pleasing and remember that it is ultimately he that will decide whether or not you have been.  It is also his choice to whom you should be pleasing to. 2.  Strive for absolute obedience.  It will be those times when it is hardest to obey that your mettle as a slave will be tested. 3.  You are the chameleon.  You are the one who is expected to adapt to his needs.  Anticipate that his needs will change often.  Even if they don't, you will always be prepared. 4.  It is your owner's responsibility to punish and discipline you as he sees fit.  Punishing yourself to excess for failures or wrongdoings may impede his goals when it comes to your enslavement.  It is up to him to enslave you - not up to you to master yourself. 5.  Keep your focus on your owner.  It doesn't matter what Master Bob and bessieslave do, don't do, or think you should be doing.  It is not about your slavery, your service, or your path.  It is about him.  Your master is the orchestrator of your life, not your peers or your ideals. 6.  Do your best to effectively communicate with your Master beneath the guidelines he has set for such things.   7.  Do not decide what your owner can and cannot handle.  That is for him to decide.  Hiding your feelings, your truths, and your problems and allowing them to fester is not conducive to your being a healthy slave nor is it helpful in building a healthy relationship.   8.  As long as you remain in that (figurative or literal) collar, your choices are his, your rights are his, and your life is his.   He may choose your job, friends, food, hairstyle, political party affiliation, hobbies - everything.  Do you best to accept those choices he makes with humility and grace. 9.  Embrace all of those things within (and on the outside) yourself that make you feminine and beautiful.  Always remember that while it is he who determines your value and beauty, it is you who possess those traits, qualities, and talents that can bring that beauty and value to the forefront.  Utilize that potential. 10.  Always remember that you do not live in a book, a movie, an ideal, or a chatroom.  Life is imperfect.  Just as you are imperfect so is he.  Do not expect him to be some sort of demigod.  He will make mistakes sometimes.  Don't let those mistakes bring you to think less of him as a man and master, just allow them to gently remind you that he too is human.  ------------------------- Well wishes, Cav's ally 


This is marvellous, and it makes things quite a bit clearer for slaves. <tosses a candy your way>
I would like to add something as well, though. Something I learned reading a book by David Deida, something of a 'Yoga for the comman person' guy.

He mentioned that women will tend to 'poke' at a man's weak spots. He said this isn't a bad thing, it's just a woman's way of indirectly demanding strength from his man, and men should treat this 'poking' with good humor and understanding. :) I've seen some slaves express a great deal of anxiety and grief for having done such a thing to her master and I want to point out that it's a natural thing to do. However, the trick is getting the master to understand what that 'poke' from her slave really means. {*poke*: Master, I need your strength, it hasn't been around for awhile. *poke*poke*POKE*} <chuckle>


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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 2:51:06 PM   
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The problem is when the poke Sir, become somthing truly hurtful, none is perfect, not even a Gorean Free, and to many pokes might have the oposite of the desired effect, making the man less selv asured and more unsure aboute the weakness he do have.

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 2:57:40 PM   
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There is one thing philisophically (within the Gorean Lifestyle) wrong with this though scott. A Free Woman is only Free as longas the free men allow her to be free. Thus any Free Woman poking a Gorean Free Man risks having her neck decorated with a piece of Gorean Steel. A slave poking her Master may find that he finds it not funny or cute.. 

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 3:06:34 PM   
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What if she poke him whit a pitchfork? 

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 3:10:35 PM   
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In the books it would be death.. In reality she would beout my door. If she pokes hard enough she would be facing criminal charges.. 

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RE: The Ten Commandments of Gor - 7/18/2006 3:20:28 PM   
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can He poke her???? :)

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