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Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 8:31:48 AM

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Afghans, US sign deal on night raids

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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The Afghan government and the U.S. signed a deal Sunday governing night raids by American troops, resolving an issue that had threatened to derail a larger pact governing a U.S. presence in the country for decades to come.

Night raids involve U.S. and Afghan troops descending without warning on homes or residential compounds searching for insurgents. They are widely resented in this deeply conservative country.

So in the decade long unwinnable clusterfuck of the US in Afghanistan, we have one military tactic that works, that strikes some fear into the people we are fighting, that doesn't involve marching a squad out to get ambushed so they can shoot back, and we have made a "deal" to stop doing it.

Bring them home now. Bring them home yesterday. And every time the Dems want to crow that President Obama got bin Laden, remind them that then he licked Karzai and the Taliban's balls, and took the tool that put a bullet between Osama bin Laden's eyes right out of our arsenal.

If this is how we get to the peace table, what's our formal surrender ceremony going to look like?

RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 8:57:46 AM

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It does seem like a bad move alright. Hard to see how the move will give equal responsibility to the Afghan authorities as the article suggests since the majority of the troops are likely to be US led so when it comes to blame it will simply be more of the same.

Another report covering the story stated that they will require permission from local Afghani authorities first. Considering the issue of Taliban infiltration, I imagine that could become a serious security issue.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 9:02:08 AM

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Another report covering the story stated that they will require permission from local Afghani authorities first. Considering the issue of Taliban infiltration, I imagine that could become a serious security issue.

No??? Really???

Sorry. I'm not being sarcastic to you directly, Anaxagoras. The whole thing is just insane.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 9:11:29 AM

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If we do not trust them enough to make the military decisions about these raids, wtf are we letting our sons and fathers and cousins and daughters and moms put their lives on the line for them?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 9:52:27 AM

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Seems to me some are forgetting Karzai was the Republicans choice.

I would guess this has come about due to last months massacre.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 10:05:43 AM

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Seems to me some are forgetting Karzai was the Republicans choice.

And tonguing his balls is Obama's choice, Polite.

Perhaps you've missed it, but my thoughts on US policy in Afghanistan don't vary by the party conducting it.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 10:09:57 AM

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When I see you acknowledging the Repubs marching in lockstep position along with your alleged "Obamabots" (I don't know ANYONE who's saying "Yeah! The Obama War! Awesome!"), I'll believe that.

Until then, you're fooling yourself.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 10:13:17 AM

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Hilariously, he is being criticized by the same people who criticized his failure to reach an agreement in Iraq (where we need it less). You really do not think the man who killed Osama, al-Alwalki, helped overthrow Qadaffi is gogint to ask anyone's permission when the time comes (as no U.S. president would).

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 10:20:33 AM

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Hilariously, he is being criticized by the same people who criticized his failure to reach an agreement in Iraq (where we need it less). You really do not think the man who killed Osama, al-Alwalki, helped overthrow Qadaffi is gogint to ask anyone's permission when the time comes (as no U.S. president would).

So you wish to contrast Obama's willingness to completely abdicate our obligations to the people of Iraq, where we invaded, trashed their country, and heaped chaos on their lives, with his need to establish that the Taliban isn't really our enemy, per se, and that we have to go through a long surrender process in a place where we don't owe them jack shit?

Really?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 10:25:20 AM

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Rich, as I said at the outset, we have no obligations to that country nor any country, we have a long history of walking off the job on our 'allies' when we figure out (once again) we fucked up.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 11:56:18 AM

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Seems to me some are forgetting Karzai was the Republicans choice.

And tonguing his balls is Obama's choice, Polite.

Perhaps you've missed it, but my thoughts on US policy in Afghanistan don't vary by the party conducting it.

Oh really?

Tell us then....who should have been President Obama`s "choice" as president of Afganistan?

This is actually ANOTHER thread by rich, about bush........

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:10:57 PM

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I was hoping you'd join us for this, Owner59. Tell us how brilliant a move this is by the Obama administration. Tell us of his bold, strategic grand plan for peace that is worth one more American casualty of body or mind, in a war he won't even claim we can win.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:27:47 PM

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Lost for words eh?

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If there are any other cons brave enough to answer my question,please add to the answer....how exactly you would handle the FUBAR situation our president was handed?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:35:24 PM

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Well Afghanistan was created by the British, who gave a way part of India on the way out, I say give it back to India, let them deal with it.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:36:17 PM

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He (Obama) was left with a clusterfuck to deal with by Bush (More than one but thats getting off topic) After the killings last month it was obvious something would need to be done to show the Allies, including the Afghan forces we are training, are working in lockstep.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:37:27 PM

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Considering the issue of Taliban infiltration, I imagine that could become a serious security issue.

Hasn't "security issue"s been the whole strategy in Afghanistan from the off?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:39:19 PM

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Well Afghanistan was created by the British, who gave a way part of India on the way out, I say give it back to India, let them deal with it.

Absurd nonsense. Afghanistan is a long and established kingdom. Your time on here would be best spent learning history.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:40:02 PM

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Well Afghanistan was created by the British, who gave a way part of India on the way out, I say give it back to India, let them deal with it.

That's Pakistan you're thinking off.
We were arguing with the Russians over Afghanistan back when we still had an Empire. Read some fucking Kipling.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:40:36 PM

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Lost for words eh?

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If there are any other cons brave enough to answer my question,please add to the answer....how exactly you would handle the FUBAR situation our president was handed?

Lost for reading comprension, Owner59? I said it in the first post.

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Bring them home now. Bring them home yesterday.

C'mon, Owner59, get to singing the praises of it, and perhaps you'll use the North Korea deal as an example of his outstanding accomplishments and skill at the negotiating table?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 12:40:55 PM

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Well Afghanistan was created by the British, who gave a way part of India on the way out, I say give it back to India, let them deal with it.

I don't think you can blame this one on colonial Britain, while they ran a couple of obviously unsuccessful missions there, they (and the Russkies) took away more land than they gave. And it was Afghanistan long before the brits.

Anyone want to place my favorite Kipling poem here?

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