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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:17:50 PM   
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In fact you could say that the modern Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was largely created by the CIA in response to the Russian invasion, and beating the Russians is what put the idea of beating us into their heads in the first place.




Really? It seems like the Afghans have a longer history of beating the invaders than that.

But no worries then, right, Xssve? As long as the Republicans can be blamed, it doesn't really matter anyway?

Well it is one more in a long list of fuck ups.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:19:16 PM   
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Expensive fuck ups.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:20:29 PM   
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Well it is one more in a long list of fuck ups.



And where do you figure Obama hanging around until he can negotiate our surrender is going to place on that list?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:22:07 PM   
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That's a hypothetical fuck up that doesn't belong on the list until such time as it actually happens.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:23:33 PM   
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Bring home the troops.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-04-07/news/31305459_1_afghan-security-forces-afghan-president-lynch

WASHINGTON - During one of Representative Stephen F. Lynch’s early visits to Afghanistan, a crush of angry protesters had to be forced out of the path of his convoy with rifle butts. When his plane approached Iraq in the weeks after the 2003 invasion, enemy mortars were still striking the runway.

The South Boston Democrat, who won his seat in a special election on Sept. 11, 2001, has traveled to the war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan 21 times, more often than almost any other member of Congress.

He has often been the only Democrat in the visiting delegation. The fact-finding missions - often into savaged neighborhoods, his blood type written on his body armor in case of attack - helped make him much more supportive of the decadelong war effort in Afghanistan than his Bay State colleagues.

Not anymore. Lynch, frustrated by a lack of progress, is now breaking with the Obama administrationand calling on the president to speed up American withdrawal from Afghanistan by at least a year.

“I don’t think we are going to get there in 2014,’’ said Lynch, speaking about the administration’s timeline for withdrawal. “The pace of progress is so slow that the law of diminishing returns will apply. I don’t think there will be any added measure of benefit that is worth the sacrifice to stay an extra year.’’

In a wide-ranging interview late last month, Lynch said his evolving view was prompted by recent visits and one-to-one talks with service members. Matters were made worse by the violence sparked by the accidental burning of Korans by US service members and then the slaying of 17 Afghan civilians, reportedly by an Army sergeant.

“The recent events have been a real setback,’’ Lynch said in his Capitol Hill office, decorated with photos of some of his travels, including one with the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai. “We are going to have to do a reset on our expectations and try something different in terms of helping them get to where they need to be. But I don’t think it involves a massive military presence.’’

The Pentagon has already begun drawing down troops from the surge in force levels Obama ordered in 2009 - which Lynch supported - and will bring home 23,000 more by September. The White House wants to withdraw the remaining 65,000 US service members by the end of 2014 and hand over security to newly trained Afghan forces.

Lynch, considered an authority on the war by his colleagues, serves on a key national security oversight committee and cochairs a congressional task force on terrorism financing.

One of his most pressing concerns is the slow pace of preparing Afghan security forces to carry the battle on their own. While progress is being made, he doubts that US forces staying longer will make much a difference in the end.



BTW, just wanted to point out, the troops hate these "fact finding missions." Imagine being a soldier out there, and you hear that a bigwig is coming out, so everyone needs to do extra patrols, possibly meaning friends are going to die, so you can make the area "safe." Then you have an extra convoy to get the bigwig, and another in the other direction, knowing that the other side is going to want to ambush you more now since you have a bigwig with you-again, higher chance you or a buddy dies.
Even if everyone comes home safe from the whole kerfluffle, you and everyone else has a shitload of extra work and patrols, and you take time out of the actual mission-which could mean backsliding in areas that actually help the war. Oh, and when he/she gets out there, there will be "meeting the troops," events, which are mandatory time to get your picture taken with a fake smile as you shake hands with the person who's put your life at risk for their PR stunt. Then there will be one or more speeches, which means everyone standing at attention so the bigwig can thank you for your service-not that you want his thanks, you are doing your job, and not for him but for your family and friends back home, who you can't see, and today you can't even scype cause between "security concerns" making comms less available, and the time you lost from all the crap.
Stupid bigwigs...

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:24:16 PM   
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And here's something that might be difficult for you understand, Owner59, but I was saying the exact same thing when Bush II was President.



Yeah....and newty suggested we build a moon station.....as ridiculous as suggesting we shouldn`t have gone after bin-laden/al-queda/terrorist-central in Afganistan.

Again.....real gutzy response......

And when did what you say matter?

Same for the trolly OP/fake outrage......

General reply:

Could we have one our conservative members please explain what they would do, if left with the choices that the president has.

By that I mean,confining the answers to solutions to the present situation/reality on the ground TODAY.....and not the insincere would`a/should`a/could`a blatherings we`re getting from bush apologists.

Thanks in advance.


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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:25:13 PM   
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"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;!”


If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs-then you probably haven't grasped the seriousness of the situation!

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:28:05 PM   
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Well it is one more in a long list of fuck ups.



And where do you figure Obama hanging around until he can negotiate our surrender is going to place on that list?

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

That's a hypothetical fuck up that doesn't belong on the list until such time as it actually happens.

Word. He gets more ridiculous with every post.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:57:34 PM   
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Word. He gets more ridiculous with every post.



No. That would be US strategy in Afghanistan, that gets more tragically stupid with every press release.


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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:59:26 PM   
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And who's strategy was that?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:10:08 PM   
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And who's strategy was that?



Well, Xssve, I don't think Bush is in the White House anymore, so dumping night raids to make the Taliban like us enough to negotiate would have to be squarely on the Obama administration, wouldn't it?


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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:18:51 PM   
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OH NO!!!! NOT THE N WORD!!!!

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:22:28 PM   
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And who's strategy was that?



Well, Xssve, I don't think Bush is in the White House anymore, so dumping night raids to make the Taliban like us enough to negotiate would have to be squarely on the Obama administration, wouldn't it?



Who's country is it?

I guess that would be different from republican policy.

I guess the point is, why the fuck are we even there to begin with? That would be pretty firmly the result of republican policy in action.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:28:33 PM   
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The fact that the chimp and his organ grinder decided to invade, or the fact that they were paying so little attention as to let a couple of ugly buildings in New York get knocked over so that they had an excuse to invade? Both bollocks were dropped by the Republicans rather than the Democrats, iirc.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:30:55 PM   
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OH NO!!!! NOT THE N WORD!!!!




What's to negotiate from the posture we're assuming? How big a ransom we pay for a safe departure?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:35:34 PM   
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If you're stupid enough to start fights you don't have a hope of winning, the Kenyan would be doing well to even manage that much.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:41:21 PM   
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OH NO!!!! NOT THE N WORD!!!!




What's to negotiate from the posture we're assuming? How big a ransom we pay for a safe departure?

Staying there forever is the neo-con plan.

Apparently, it's yours too.

This country has too much ego and too little sense.




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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:43:23 PM   
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I guess the point is, why the fuck are we even there to begin with? That would be pretty firmly the result of republican policy in action.



Why are we in Afghanistan to begin with? I'll invite you to Google the events of September 11, 2001. Don't expect me to argue in favor of the action, but I understood it was inevitable.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:48:23 PM   
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Staying there forever is the neo-con plan.

Apparently, it's yours too.





Huh? Please tell me how you are getting that impression, Muse. I'm pretty plain on how long I think we should be in Afghanistan. Not another day.


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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 3:51:10 PM   
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I guess the point is, why the fuck are we even there to begin with? That would be pretty firmly the result of republican policy in action.



Why are we in Afghanistan to begin with? I'll invite you to Google the events of September 11, 2001. Don't expect me to argue in favor of the action, but I understood it was inevitable.

I wasn't aware that either Afghanistan or Iraq were involved in that.

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