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Define a S.A.M. - 4/2/2004 2:02:51 AM

iwillserveu

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The definitions will be diverse as posters. I have one question to all though. Can one be a S.A.M to one that they have not agreed to respect?

(Side note to one who will appear. Take your own advice already and make my dot red. [I'd add please but respect is either earned or given with consent.])

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/2/2004 3:03:51 PM

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SAM = Smart Ass Masochist

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Can one be a S.A.M to one that they have not agreed to respect?

Sure. In fact, I could probably ONLY be SAMmy with someone I didn't respect. *For me*, SAM behaviour is manipulative, and I"m not going to do that to someone I respect. But I can sure as hell mouth off to someone I don't.

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/2/2004 5:36:57 PM

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I agree with Sherri, though at times it is more than that. Most that have called me a sam do so because I do not see them as they see themselves. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there is anything wrong with how they see themselves, or even that they are wrong with in their own lives. The problem is simply they do not want to respect my views as mine even though they feel I *must* accept theirs as what is true or right.

Not sure I said that clearly, but I understand it... so hopefully that counts for something ;)

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/3/2004 8:23:55 AM

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I was not very clear. I apologize to SherriA and Sandy for using up their time. (Good answers, BTW, pity I didn't get the question right.

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(Side note: Sandy, I'm glad you understood it even though I was hardly clear!

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I thought a SAM was like Bill Murray's dental patient in Little Shop of Horrors. One that purposely does things to frustrate the Top (or Dentist) to get "punished". Is this the wrong idea?

Also is it possible to be a SAM to one who is not your dominant. In the example above what if Bill Murray acts that way when not in Steve Martin's dentist chair?

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/3/2004 9:55:08 PM

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That's how I had always understood it to be too iwill. And I would imagine a Sam is someone who craves attention from everyone, not just their unfortunate Dom.

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/5/2004 12:19:31 PM

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That's how I had always understood it to be too iwill. And I would imagine a Sam is someone who craves attention from everyone, not just their unfortunate Dom.

Unfortunate Dom? Smart assed masochist. Correct? Would this not just be someone who craves abuse from anyone then? If the Dom gives into the abuse..does this make the Dom an abuser?
I think on a certain level everybody wants to be the center of attention at times. Some people want it more than others. Some people want to blend in and hardly ever stand out.
Does this make them a SAM though?

Sorry but reading the responses gave me more questions than answers.

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/5/2004 3:04:07 PM

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I guess in my opinion, a sub who purposely and constantly misbehaves on purpose to get attention and punishment, would not be what I would want. In my case that would be unfortunate for me.

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/5/2004 3:40:21 PM

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My new one calls herself a SAM but I simply see it as a way of her being playful. she is very respectful of me as I am of her. I have seen true SAMs in the past and I agree with those who wrote that they simply seek out attention. So I would not call the one I claim as a true SAM but if that's the title she chooses for herself when she feels playful, so be it.

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/20/2004 11:36:43 AM

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In my few years of being in this lifestyle i have only been called a SAM once. By one who did not know me well enough to call me anything. Considering i am far from being a masochist, and having never considered myself a SAM, i went to a Master of more experience to ask his opinion. Having more knowledge about me he told me no. And that i shouldn't worry about the comments of one.

In answer to your question; i guess you can be considered a SAM by anyone. But, that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

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Sure. In fact, I could probably ONLY be SAMmy with someone I didn't respect. *For me*, SAM behaviour is manipulative, and I"m not going to do that to someone I respect. But I can sure as hell mouth off to someone I don't.

i would have to agree with Sherri here. i definately have a problem with showing someone respect who doesn't give it or deserve it. You get what you give.

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RE: Define a S.A.M. - 4/20/2004 4:09:10 PM

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I personally think the person is just trying to see how much they can push limits mentally, to make things more intense.Like reverse psychology.

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