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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/17/2012 7:14:09 PM   
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Sheer speculation not rooted in fact. The companies were up for "sale" for over two months. No one outside of Fiat showed any interest at all. Sorry something needed to be done right then.....not wait for the Romenylike Vultures to come clean the carcass of a huge part of the country.


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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/17/2012 7:57:41 PM   
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Problem was bubba that there wasn't exactly a whole group of investors jumping up and down wanting GM or Chrysler now were there. Please don't act as this happened in an afternoon meeting. Bush did the first 18 billion and Obama came back to do the rest after his inauguration. Months. Months of no one coming to the table to say....hey....We'll help out with GM. Chrysler got Fiat involved. So no, it wouldn't have been picked up by anyone else.


Penske Auto Group was very close to buying the Saturn brand when they abruptly pulled out, citing concerns over being able to manufacture the cars after the first 2 years (GM was going to continue to make the cars for 2 years). And, with GM and Chrysler in the Government's hands, who would jump up and down to buy any?

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Even if it had many, many of the plants in Ohio, Pa, Il, Wi, Indiana, and Michigan would have been shuttered. As I have been trying to reason with another repug here that would have been a disaster for each of those states and cities that they wouldn't have been able to deal with. Yes, I know, no the market would have fixed it. Bullshit. Did the market fix the last depression? Nope.


You can only blather on about the demise of cities and states. You don't know what would have happened. We will never know what would have happened.

The Market wasn't allowed to fix the last one. That's why it lasted so long. The Market took care of the 1921 Recession with no problems.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 5:04:33 AM   
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Yes, but no one wants to acknowledge the old market recoveries since the politicians can't take credit for them. There's no, "look at what I did! Re-elect me!" that they can squeeze from sitting back and doing nothing. Furthermore, they feel that they need to be constantly passing new laws in order to justify their existence. What people don't seem to understand is that virtually every new law is a decrease in our freedom. Think about it. Even the laws we like, the ones that are in favour of whatever sick agenda we have (social, political, economic, or whatever) are restrictive in nature. People are too fat? Start banning certain foods and drinks! Let's not consider for a moment that they're the ones to get themselves into it, that they're the ones who decided to eat like slobs and continue to do so while gaining so much weight. No, they must be victims of evil fast food! So, instead of banning hamburgers, sodas, and everything else *coughBLOOMBERGcough* why not let individuals choose? People make mistakes, sure, and so do politicians. But if you want to get skinny, it's on you to do it. If you're concerned about your neighbor being fat, why not just talk to him about it or leave him the hell alone? Why try to legislate away his freedom to eat? What are you going to do, shoot him if he tries to cook some french fries?

And, yes, this is a bit off-topic but it's all the same pattern of trying to get the government to run our lives. Nothing is "too big to fail," no company is so wonderful that they can't eventually go out of business. Study economics for more than a few minutes and you'll see that most of the largest companies either aren't around, got bought out, or have radically changed over time. Why? Because markets change. The most common example is the buggy whip industry. Aside from kinksters and the few buggy drivers left, no one buys these things but they used to be a common item. Look at the Dot-Com bubble: the companies that failed had poor business models, poor sales, poor service, poor advertising, were competing in an overly-crowded market, or had some combination of those faults. The ones that survived (such as Amazon and eBay) tended to thrive because they learned the mistakes of the others. Why was GM doing so poorly as a company and bleeding red ink? They paid their workers more than the market rate (thanks to union demands), had few good selling models, and generally had poor product. Meanwhile, the other car manufacturers were providing their customers with better products and/or products at lower costs. We've seen car companies die in our lifetimes for various reasons just like any other company. If the company cannot satisfy customers and compete in the market, investors will turn their backs because they know the company is doomed. That is, unless they change their ways. GM hasn't changed anything other than giving the gov't and unions a big share in the company. So, yes, they'll satisfy the government's and unions' agendas but are still losing money from the same bad practices. Sure, you can say that they "paid back" their bailout money... but that was only after getting a 0% loan from the Fed. So, what's going to happen the next time they're on the verge of bankruptcy? We all can see it clearly: more cries of "too big to fail" and pressure for yet another gov't bailout.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 5:19:13 AM   
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Sheer speculation not rooted in fact. The companies were up for "sale" for over two months. No one outside of Fiat showed any interest at all. Sorry something needed to be done right then.....not wait for the Romenylike Vultures to come clean the carcass of a huge part of the country.



something needed to be done right then

Therein rests your problem. Perhaps no one wanted to buy what wasn't worth buying. Your solution is a deep part of the problem. You just don't see that. It's like you'd pay 20$ for a pair of shoes worth 1$ simply because the yard-sale seller needs the money. Your philanthropic, sorta, but with other peoples money.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 5:23:23 AM   
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And that's exactly the problem with government's finances: they see it as everyone else's money because they stole it from all of us. Oh, sure, they tell us that they'll steal more of it from one group than another, they'll tell us that they'll make the tax code more fair..... and then add it more loopholes for the people that bribed, I mean, "contributed to their campaign." They're laughing all the way to the bank and will do anything to buy votes to steal more money to buy votes to steal...

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 5:42:54 AM   
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Yes, but no one wants to acknowledge the old market recoveries since the politicians can't take credit for them. There's no, "look at what I did! Re-elect me!" that they can squeeze from sitting back and doing nothing. Furthermore, they feel that they need to be constantly passing new laws in order to justify their existence. What people don't seem to understand is that virtually every new law is a decrease in our freedom. Think about it. Even the laws we like, the ones that are in favour of whatever sick agenda we have (social, political, economic, or whatever) are restrictive in nature. People are too fat? Start banning certain foods and drinks! Let's not consider for a moment that they're the ones to get themselves into it, that they're the ones who decided to eat like slobs and continue to do so while gaining so much weight. No, they must be victims of evil fast food! So, instead of banning hamburgers, sodas, and everything else *coughBLOOMBERGcough* why not let individuals choose? People make mistakes, sure, and so do politicians. But if you want to get skinny, it's on you to do it. If you're concerned about your neighbor being fat, why not just talk to him about it or leave him the hell alone? Why try to legislate away his freedom to eat? What are you going to do, shoot him if he tries to cook some french fries?

And, yes, this is a bit off-topic but it's all the same pattern of trying to get the government to run our lives. Nothing is "too big to fail," no company is so wonderful that they can't eventually go out of business. Study economics for more than a few minutes and you'll see that most of the largest companies either aren't around, got bought out, or have radically changed over time. Why? Because markets change. The most common example is the buggy whip industry. Aside from kinksters and the few buggy drivers left, no one buys these things but they used to be a common item. Look at the Dot-Com bubble: the companies that failed had poor business models, poor sales, poor service, poor advertising, were competing in an overly-crowded market, or had some combination of those faults. The ones that survived (such as Amazon and eBay) tended to thrive because they learned the mistakes of the others. Why was GM doing so poorly as a company and bleeding red ink? They paid their workers more than the market rate (thanks to union demands), had few good selling models, and generally had poor product. Meanwhile, the other car manufacturers were providing their customers with better products and/or products at lower costs. We've seen car companies die in our lifetimes for various reasons just like any other company. If the company cannot satisfy customers and compete in the market, investors will turn their backs because they know the company is doomed. That is, unless they change their ways. GM hasn't changed anything other than giving the gov't and unions a big share in the company. So, yes, they'll satisfy the government's and unions' agendas but are still losing money from the same bad practices. Sure, you can say that they "paid back" their bailout money... but that was only after getting a 0% loan from the Fed. So, what's going to happen the next time they're on the verge of bankruptcy? We all can see it clearly: more cries of "too big to fail" and pressure for yet another gov't bailout.


Here, stick with me on this. The country had an open wound that was bleeding(banks). Then it got another wound that was bleeding as much(auto).  Can either sit around and muse philosophic about the "market" stanching the bleeding or you can actually LEAD and stop the bleeding yourself. I will take the latter each time.

I know you don't want to talk about it but it is fact. The areas of the country that would have been affected would have been affected in devastating ways. Hurtful to people. Hurtful to cities, hurtful to counties, hurtful to states and ultimately hurtful to the federal gov't.

The market, at the time, was not in a position to help this situation out. Re-writing history won't help. The results of this great decision can be seen all across the midwest. It took leadership and courage to believe in the American people and bet on them. Far too often Republicans look down on the American people. As much as Romney should be chastised for his 47% comment the real shame is that no one in that room even made a comment. Agreement was all around. Republicans have come to hate America. I just don't know why

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 5:48:54 AM   
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Problem was bubba that there wasn't exactly a whole group of investors jumping up and down wanting GM or Chrysler now were there. Please don't act as this happened in an afternoon meeting. Bush did the first 18 billion and Obama came back to do the rest after his inauguration. Months. Months of no one coming to the table to say....hey....We'll help out with GM. Chrysler got Fiat involved. So no, it wouldn't have been picked up by anyone else.


Penske Auto Group was very close to buying the Saturn brand when they abruptly pulled out, citing concerns over being able to manufacture the cars after the first 2 years (GM was going to continue to make the cars for 2 years). And, with GM and Chrysler in the Government's hands, who would jump up and down to buy any?

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Even if it had many, many of the plants in Ohio, Pa, Il, Wi, Indiana, and Michigan would have been shuttered. As I have been trying to reason with another repug here that would have been a disaster for each of those states and cities that they wouldn't have been able to deal with. Yes, I know, no the market would have fixed it. Bullshit. Did the market fix the last depression? Nope.


You can only blather on about the demise of cities and states. You don't know what would have happened. We will never know what would have happened.

The Market wasn't allowed to fix the last one. That's why it lasted so long. The Market took care of the 1921 Recession with no problems.


Come on DS. Penske was never serious. The market had plenty of time to "jump" on this if they wanted a piece. The Fiat inclusion took even longer.

Sure we know what would have happened. Especially us DS. We've seen the plants close before. Drive down to Mansfield. Just now are they starting to recover from the hits they took with plants closing. Lorain? Ghost town. Been further up 75 to Flint? No, we have actual evidence of what happens when plants close in good economic times. Feb of 2009 wasn't exactly good economic times. The affect on you and me would have been buckling.

You've never explained before. Why are you in such a hurry to have other people that are your Countrymen suffer? Its odd

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 5:54:03 AM   
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Sheer speculation not rooted in fact. The companies were up for "sale" for over two months. No one outside of Fiat showed any interest at all. Sorry something needed to be done right then.....not wait for the Romenylike Vultures to come clean the carcass of a huge part of the country.



something needed to be done right then

Therein rests your problem. Perhaps no one wanted to buy what wasn't worth buying. Your solution is a deep part of the problem. You just don't see that. It's like you'd pay 20$ for a pair of shoes worth 1$ simply because the yard-sale seller needs the money. Your philanthropic, sorta, but with other peoples money.


No, I'd pay the 20 cause I know that they are really worth 20 my neighbor needs the cash so they will take most anything for them. See, he needs the money to keep the property he lives on in shape. That helps everyone in the community since property values will be affected if he large expanse of land and buildings sits idle and becomes a rusted heap.

Plus, if my neighbor can stay on his land the rest of the community won't have to worry about chipping in more tax money so that we can care for the property that he will leave in ruin.

The problem is Conservatives only see trees and never the forest. Small ideas will never fix big problems.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:15:31 AM   
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Well, you may claim that you'd pay 20x the price but most people would not.

Small ideas never fix big problems, eh? Here's a small idea: freedom. Here's another small idea: the Constitution. Tell me, where in the Enumerated Powers does it say that the federal government can use our money and give it to the people they like? Whether it's Obama, Bush, or many before them, plenty of companies get bailouts, tax breaks, and other federal favours that the federal level of government is not permitted to do. State constitutions may allow for such things but the Fed (President and both parts of Congress) constantly violate the Constitution with nearly everything they do... yet they all swore oaths to uphold it. So, even if it may seem to you to be the right thing to do, it really isn't. And sure, your neighbors may be out of work for a while, but all you've done is delay the inevitable. We can't save every individual at the expense of the entire society. Sorry, but sometimes Spock really was right and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:30:44 AM   
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Typical Teabagger diatribe. The good ole constitution. If we could just go back to the days when blacks were slaves then everything would  be just fine. Right? Thankfully we don't live in those days. Do you suppose they allowed amendments for reasons? It is a living document. If you want that sort of thing you need to head off to Iran.

So you are willing to sacrifice your countrymen simply for your own economic good?  That is exactly what is wrong with the republican/teabagger party. They hate Americans. Simply enough. They want it for what it "used" to be. All of the Others that are part if "their" society need to fall back into the woodwork.  

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:31:51 AM   
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And, lest anyone think that I don't care about people, consider all the companies that either failed or had to downsize because they were failing in some way. Kodak used to be the giant in photography but lost that when they ignored the digital market. Even though Sony and other companies survived, few still make high-end stereos because the market isn't there thanks to, again, digital, as in computers and other devices that play music. Despite the resurgence in vinyl records, nobody makes cassette tapes, 8-tracks, ZIP drives, 5" floppies, and other outdated media. So any companies that made them either shifted production to other things or went under. You could watch movies like "Brassed Off" and see what happens when governments set unreasonable regulations on markets and companies are forced to act accordingly.

What happened to the employees of these companies? Well, they get laid off, their old jobs no longer being economically feasible. But the market balances that out with new inventions, new trends, new markets and other things. The economy is always in a state of flux. Who in the '70s or '80s would have known that internet shopping would be so easy and prevalent? So the buggy whip maker loses his job but finds another job making other products or providing a different service. Left alone, markets have low unemployment (there will always be some even if the government outlawed it) and things tend to be better. But like I said, leaving things alone is a chief responsibility of governments and they fail at it spectacularly Why? Because even though doing nothing is often the right thing to do, it ends up doing more harm than good. Think about the overreactions that occur after any terrorist attack or other disaster. Huge, sweeping legislation is passed quickly to "fix the problem" and/or "prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again." But then people read what's inside of it and the questions begin. Did Bush really need to take away so many civil liberties? No, of course not, but it was the perfect opportunity for a federal power grab. And as a famous Democrat said, "never let a crisis go to waste."

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:35:10 AM   
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Proof that left alone markets have low unemployment?

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:39:57 AM   
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Sheer speculation not rooted in fact. The companies were up for "sale" for over two months. No one outside of Fiat showed any interest at all. Sorry something needed to be done right then.....not wait for the Romenylike Vultures to come clean the carcass of a huge part of the country.



something needed to be done right then

Therein rests your problem. Perhaps no one wanted to buy what wasn't worth buying. Your solution is a deep part of the problem. You just don't see that. It's like you'd pay 20$ for a pair of shoes worth 1$ simply because the yard-sale seller needs the money. Your philanthropic, sorta, but with other peoples money.


No, I'd pay the 20 cause I know that they are really worth 20 my neighbor needs the cash so they will take most anything for them. See, he needs the money to keep the property he lives on in shape. That helps everyone in the community since property values will be affected if he large expanse of land and buildings sits idle and becomes a rusted heap.

Plus, if my neighbor can stay on his land the rest of the community won't have to worry about chipping in more tax money so that we can care for the property that he will leave in ruin.

The problem is Conservatives only see trees and never the forest. Small ideas will never fix big problems.




DOH!

Is it any wonder why progressives cannot understand that their convoluted ideology in motion eventually goes broke and damages what they profess to care about so greatly? It's amazing to see such absurd rationalizing as to why, for example, paying 20x what something is worth is beneficial. What a mind it requires for such.









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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:44:55 AM   
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Do you suppose they allowed amendments for reasons? It is a living document.



True, and it is very difficult to get an amendment passed for a reason. That doesn't mean you can just ignore it though.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:49:01 AM   
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No, you underpay and undercut yourself. I know that is what you believe but it is those ideas that have got this country in such a mess. Its time to scrape all those old ideas out and start anew. You've tried them for a long long time and they haven't done anything to improve this country. They are old and tired.

As I said, Conservatives can't see the forest for the trees. Everything is interwoven. Can't you see that?

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:50:55 AM   
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Do you suppose they allowed amendments for reasons? It is a living document.



True, and it is very difficult to get an amendment passed for a reason. That doesn't mean you can just ignore it though.


And we don't ignore it. But to think that ideas from the 18th Century can run our lives today is silly. If we hadn't ignored it I wouldn't be sitting here typing today.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:51:57 AM   
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Rofl! As, just as I suspected, when you cannot fight the argument, you try to fight the person with ad hominum attacks and a whole bunch of assumptions. It's been such quite a while since I've seen such a great example of a logical falicy that I'll address a few of these. Let's see if you believe that "reasoned discourse" is more than try to shout the loudest slurs.

Teabagger because I believe in the Constitution? Okay, at least I'm not a fascist or socialist, but I guess you could accuse me of that too, along with any other name you can imagine. Yes, the Constitution is a living document and is not perfect (see Prohibition, slavery, and more) but the only way to change it is through Amendments... which are things that the federal government cannot do. That's right, the states themselves have that power. Also, check out the arguments in the Convention while they were drafting that document; you may be surprised that many fought for abolition even back then. Of course, so did General Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, but those facts aren't politically correct so let's just forget about them.

I want things how they used to be, eh? Well, sure, if you mean back when we actually had freedoms and the government wasn't spying on us and trying to kill lots of people. Look at how successful our country was when government was hardly involved in anything.

Ah, yes, slavery and racism. I like the Constitution so I obviously must be in favour of slavery! Well, guess what, I like the Bible too but that doesn't mean that I approve of slavery or approve of polygamy. I could give you a great argument on the history of slavery and how the Roman model was actually not all that bad (it wasn't racist and allowed slaves to work for themselves and eventually even buy their own freedom; there were also many laws saying how they couldn't be beaten or abused), but I suspect that would just solidify the "fact" that I must be a racist. Oh, and I'm white. Crap. That must mean that I'm totally racist and owned slaves... except that most of my family didn't even come over here during slavery (most came in 1930s from Germany and Eastern Europe) and even the ones that did came because they were poor shepherds and farmers that got kicked out of Scotland during the Land Clearances. But I'm a white guy so I must be racist... even though you were the one to start speaking about race. But CNN says that I want you in chains so that must be true. Funny how they never asked me about that or even talked with me at all...

And, yes, I must totally hate Americans. That's exactly why I enlisted during college to go fight a war. That's also why I'm in the American Legion and several other patriotic groups. That's why I continue to live in this country even though I speak one language well enough to live abroad permanently (well, two if you count English) and almost another one. Oh, and I've traveled abroad in South America and Europe, was even stationed in Germany for a while, but still live here. It could only be because of my amazing hatred of these Americans and our country.

Here's a tip, DomYngBlk, go shut off the television and actually learn a few things about the real world. You cannot win an argument simply by insulting the other person enough times. Oh, sure, it looks great in political theater and "reality TV," but not here. If you'd like to argue based on facts and reason, I'd be more than happy to continue with this. But if you would rather scream about how racist I am, how I hate America, and everything else that the left-wing pundits like to believe, then you can go put on your little crown and consider yourself the winner. Meanwhile, the rest of us sane people will talk about the real world.

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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 6:56:18 AM   
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you may be surprised that many fought for abolition even back then. Of course, so did General Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, but those facts aren't politically correct so let's just forget about them.


No, not hardly.   Jefferson Davis as secretary of War (or whatever that department was then) had federal arsenals moved down south to prepare for seccession and slavery.

That is what started the war, not abolition, not anything else.  They tried to take over a federal arsenal, Ft. McHenry.

Please don't offer this asswipe as some sort of history that you are spewing here.   It is nothing like what really happened.
 


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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 7:03:17 AM   
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you are the one that opened up the questions. I didn't bring up either. I am simply going off of what you said. That I tripped open a wound....simply proves my point.

Of course you can't argue what I pointed out to you in fact so you are going in this direction of having you lil feelings hurt. your the big kid and know all......whweeeeww.......Very impressive.

Somehow since you originally joined the conversation you've wanted to go on this bent of thinking you are being personally attacked. Why is that? Instead of looking down on me why not tell me why you are a person that cares for Americans. Going off to the service means you don't hate Americans? Then Benedict Arnold was a patriot?

Look I gave you the points of the argument a while back. You've not said anything substantive since then. You aren't giving any facts whatsoever to support your point. I ask questions of you and you don't even answer them........Its pointless. My guess is you've read some of my posts and wanted to jump in and on top of me from the start. So yes, you go off with the other big kids and be happy in your ignorance.


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RE: Obama v CBO - 10/18/2012 7:09:16 AM   
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Just in the line of teabagger hysteria. You know how they get.

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