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YN -> Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 1:09:50 PM)

Though this may be seen as minor to those in Europe or North America, the people of Uruguay have made first trimester abortions legal in their nation, in contempt of the Catholic church and the reactionary elements.

Though this is also criticized by certain feminists and women's groups as not going far enough, most regard the law as a radical and material change to the status quo and see it as inspiring a ripple effect across the region as now only Cuba and the Federal District in Mexico permit abortions outside the cases of rape or life threats to the mother, and some countries even prohibit those cases.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2012/1019/Uruguay-s-Senate-approves-abortion-bill-Will-there-be-a-ripple-effect





tazzygirl -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 1:37:36 PM)

But Uruguay’s new law has been criticized by some pro-choice groups for not going far enough: The law stipulates that women have to meet with a board of medical experts and explain the “economic, social, family, or age difficulties that in her view stand in the way of continuing the pregnancy,” according to the bill. The board will explain the alternatives and the woman will then have five days to reflect on her decision. The bill’s conditions, some argue, don’t allow a woman to make her own free decision.

No wonder why pro-choice groups are complaining.

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certain feminists and women's groups


Feminist groups were not even included in your article. Can you explain what their argument is and a source of that information would be appreciated.




YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:07:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But Uruguay’s new law has been criticized by some pro-choice groups for not going far enough: The law stipulates that women have to meet with a board of medical experts and explain the “economic, social, family, or age difficulties that in her view stand in the way of continuing the pregnancy,” according to the bill. The board will explain the alternatives and the woman will then have five days to reflect on her decision. The bill’s conditions, some argue, don’t allow a woman to make her own free decision.

No wonder why pro-choice groups are complaining.

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certain feminists and women's groups


Feminist groups were not even included in your article. Can you explain what their argument is and a source of that information would be appreciated.


Most the commentary and discussion is in Spanish an Portuguese. If you can translate a search will reveal terabytes of the discussions.

I inspected the matter in the Anglo press to present the article in the original post, perhaps this better shows the magnitude of the law.

http://world.time.com/2012/10/19/uruguay-diverges-from-a-continent-where-abortion-is-a-crime-worse-than-rape/

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To better understand the importance of what Uruguay’s Congress did this week, consider what Argentina’s Supreme Court had to do last week. It ruled that a woman who had been kidnapped, forced to work in a prostitution ring and raped must be permitted to have the abortion she sought. Argentine law allows abortion in cases of rape or when the woman’s life is in danger, but a lower-court, anti-abortion judge had insisted—in spite of everything the 32-year-old woman had gone through—that there was no proof of a rape. In fact, the supreme court said that the lower court judge, Miriam Rustan de Estrada, had helped leak the woman’s identity and whereabouts to anti-abortion protesters, so they could demonstrate in front of her home shouting, “Murderer!”


is a sample from the Time article.

However while this may not meet the standards in The United States for abortion rights, recall this is the legalization of abortion outside of rape or health of the mother, think of it as a child's first steps. Women in certain Latin American countries, along with the persons providing the abortions may face many years in prison for abortion. Even Chavez in Venezuela is not ready to face the public on this issue.

(Apparently Guyana also has legitimatized abortions, but as an English nation they generally are not considered.)




tazzygirl -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:19:25 PM)

The magnitude of the law is not lost on me. What is lost on me is the claim that feminists are critical of this law, unless you are adding feminists into the pro-choice groups when you make the "women's groups" claim in your OP.




Baroana -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:20:39 PM)

I think it makes perfect sense if so-called feminists are critical of a law that permits abortion only sort of. It's a start, though, and better than nothing.





YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:26:18 PM)

Such things evolve. In a decade certain modifications will likely be made in favor of the liberalization of the regulations.

First you must train a horse to a saddle and bridle before you climb on it's back and train it for riding.




Baroana -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:27:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YN

First you must train a horse to a saddle and bridle before you climb on it's back and train it for riding.



Oooh. This just got interesting.




YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:33:27 PM)

Certain horses like such usage.




tazzygirl -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:34:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Baroana

I think it makes perfect sense if so-called feminists are critical of a law that permits abortion only sort of. It's a start, though, and better than nothing.




My point is that a woman isnt a feminist just because she believes in pro-choice

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Though this is also criticized by certain feminists and women's groups as not going far enough


The only criticism I can find is from pro-choice groups. Nit picking? Perhaps.




Baroana -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:34:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YN

Certain horses like such usage.



Then why the hidden profile?




YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:48:55 PM)

Why not?




Baroana -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 2:49:38 PM)

Umm, no one can find you?




Lucylastic -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 5:36:25 PM)

[;)]




FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/20/2012 11:06:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: YN

Such things evolve. In a decade certain modifications will likely be made in favor of the liberalization of the regulations.

First you must train a horse to a saddle and bridle before you climb on it's back and train it for riding.


My B/f is sitting here in my bed and He's laughing his ass off. His Dad owns a huge ranch in Wyoming and he says "We still break all our horses with 8 feet of rope".

Not trying to take away from your point, just thought your equestrian noodling was a hoot.
Hopefully Uruguay won't need too much help from Cuba.




YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/21/2012 1:27:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL


Hopefully Uruguay won't need too much help from Cuba.



It is not Cuba who was rejected by the OAS that would be the trouble.

The various hemispheric nations have a treaty called the American Convention on Human Rights - the OAS English version is described here - http://www.oas.org/dil/treaties_B-32_American_Convention_on_Human_Rights.htm

The convention has as this provision -

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Article 4. Right to Life

1. Every person has the right to have his life respected. This right shall be protected by law and, in general, from the moment of conception. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.


And Uruguay agreed to it, so what the legal implications are will be also interesting.

The United States has signed this treaty but has not ratified it.




tazzygirl -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/21/2012 1:32:05 PM)

Depends on the definition of "person".

2. For the purposes of this Convention, "person" means every human being.

Again, not a clear definition for the word.




YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/21/2012 1:38:29 PM)

It will not be you or I defining the term but a set of Catholic judges.




tazzygirl -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/21/2012 1:48:35 PM)

Why do you believe its before Catholic Judges?




YN -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/21/2012 1:59:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Why do you believe its before Catholic Judges?


Because it is. Go inspect the Inter-American Court of Human Rights and its current judges.




tazzygirl -> RE: Uruguay approves first trimester abortions (10/21/2012 2:15:48 PM)

Diego García Sayán - Lawyer

Manuel E. Ventura Robles - Lawyer

Leonardo A. Franco - Lawyer

Looking at all of them, no where is their religion announced. So, again, Im not sure where you are getting them as all being Catholic.





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