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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 12:34:18 AM   
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Somehow I have my doubts whether, during the throes of labour 2,000 years ago, the prospect of little me, so far down the track and a couple of continents away, was foremost on either of their minds.

I see that you did not get it: the revolution of ideas. That is unfortunate, but likely genetically determined. I recommend that you team up with someone who does get it.



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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 4:19:42 PM   
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I went to the store on Halloween morning because I was worried I wouldn't have enough candy for the trick or treaters, and it was GONE - already replaced with Christmas stuff. I was appalled. Of course, when I did find the candy, it was already 50% off too so I guess it was okay lol

I have no problem with people being all up in arms about the word Christmas and having Christmas forced down their throats blah blah blah......as long as they don;t observe all the other perks like bonuses, gifts, the day off, etc.

This was always a challenge when I was a teacher in charge of the "winter program" each year. We just included every holiday that might possibly happen during cold weather and moved on with life. I have never understood why it has to be so contentious. Live and let live.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 5:50:36 PM   
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Pat-Fucking-Robertson is pissing and moaning about the War on Christmas.

And he should shut the fuck up.

If you want to celebrate Christmas ON CHRISTMAS, no-one cares. BUT, when you start shoving it in our faces all the time for months? Fuck that shit. You just abused your privilege and now you all can just shut up about Christmas, and celebrate it quietly in your own homes.


I think all the people that bitch "why the fuck are you wishing me a Merry Christmas? That isn't MY belief system" should go fuck themselves.

20 years ago as a 34 year old young man (my Momma raised me right) I was at the post office....a 60 some year old woman behind me was about to enter (behind me) said Post Office....I stepped aside, politely opened the door for her and patiently waited for her to walk through the door, whereupon I was accosted with "I can open my own damned door you know!", whereupon I said "well...fuck you very much, and the broomstick you rode in on cunt"....which seemed oddly enough to piss her off all the more. Not quite sure why actually.

I figure....I'll just continue to be polite to people until I die, and if they take some odd unusual offense to my kindness....I'll just wait until they get back in their car, follow them home and slash their tires after they go inside their home.

In a giving and loving manner of course.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 6:31:31 PM   
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In a giving and loving manner of course.


You forgot subly...

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 7:56:29 PM   
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I think that Fargle has just not watched the right Christmas special.  Ya know, the ones where what's-hir-name learns the TRUE meaning of Christmas.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 8:31:01 PM   
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He is not happy, that much is obvious.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 8:34:53 PM   
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Ya think?

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 9:12:32 PM   
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I think that Fargle has just not watched the right Christmas special.  Ya know, the ones where what's-hir-name learns the TRUE meaning of Christmas.



fargle = scrooge

Someone please send the 3 ghosts to visit fargle.

I personally HATE the commercialism that surrounds Christmas, but you can take what you like about Christmas, and leave/not buy into the rest.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/20/2012 11:53:29 PM   
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Pat-Fucking-Robertson is pissing and moaning about the War on Christmas.

And he should shut the fuck up.

If you want to celebrate Christmas ON CHRISTMAS, no-one cares. BUT, when you start shoving it in our faces all the time for months? Fuck that shit. You just abused your privilege and now you all can just shut up about Christmas, and celebrate it quietly in your own homes.

Relax Hon, Christmas was already celebrated on November 6th.
  The rest is just big box stores shooting their loads. Celebrating the Feast of St. Retail is encouraged by marketers of ALL FAITHS.
    I have a second cousin who owns a camera store in Brookline, Ma. Every year he raises a glass of  Castel at Hanukkah toasts "Thank you Santa".
  The average Christian on the street is not to blame.
  And here in New England, I have never even once met anyone who gives Pat Robertson a second thought. I guess he is perceived differently in different places.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 6:17:29 AM   
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Bah! Humbug! I'm with you, fargle. I'm Pagan, not AuntieXmas; but, I get put right out of the holiday spirit, when xmas music plays anytime before Thanksgiving. There's a radio station that starts its exclusively xmas music playlist before Halloween! Blech. One can only listen to Annie Lennox's "Winter Wonderland" so many times in a one-hour period.

I live in the so-called "bible belt." It's bad enough that the churches on every friggin corner are "Fall Festival"ing my Halloween. (Yes, I know. As a card carrying Pagan I should say "Samhain." Whatev.) But, there's xmas music everywhere???all the time??? Makes me want to pull out my hair...for two months, straight.



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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 6:43:20 AM   
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But christmas is a pagan holiday.   It is an adaptation of the Winter Solstice.

Why shouldn't the merchants put the ol Yule Log to ya? 

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 6:53:16 AM   
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I think that Fargle has just not watched the right Christmas special.  Ya know, the ones where what's-hir-name learns the TRUE meaning of Christmas.


I agree. I think he is going to be visited by three ghosts this Christmas Eve (although I'm not sure we want to witness the sight of Fargle running down the street in his bathrobe shouting "Merry Christmas!" at everybody the next morning).

The only question that really remains is: which three collarme regulars will take on the role of the three ghosts? I can see you Aylee as the Ghost of Christmas Past. I will gladly handle the role of Ghost of Christmas Future (I'm looking forward toward pointing my sickle at the empty grave with his name on the headstone). So who will fill in the role of Ghost of Christmas Present?

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 9:41:01 AM   
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I don't celebrate Christmas but I fully support the rights of people who do. They obviously have a need for suffering, guilt trips and discomfort which can only be satiated properly towards the end of the year.

It's the nature of Christians... While other religions mark their major festivals by fasting or not eating all the major Christian festivals involve people shopping, stuffing themselves with unpalatable food, getting pissed, and stressing themselves out.

It starts earlier and earlier every year, usually when companies decide they want to get rid all their crap by putting pictures of snow scenes, Santas and holly on the packaging.

People start talking about it, and the insanity starts with the inevitable countdown.

'Oh shit! There's only three months to Christmas!'

Christmas starts in October or even September with shopping, or when you decide to pass off all the crap people sent you on e-Bay to others in the form of presents. You ask other people about it.

'Have you started your Christmas shopping?'
'Oh shit no, and it's already October.'

This is not normal behaviour, is it? You don't turn to someone in your life and say 'It's your birthday next month I better start shopping.'

You don't wake up on a Monday morning and say 'Oh shit! I've only got six days left to buy the meat for Sunday dinner."

And so it continues, and the Americans and Canadians even have a dress rehearsal for it in the form of Thanksgiving, mainly to see how much they can stuff themselves with so they know how much more food to buy for Christmas. The countdown goes on.. 44 days.. 40 days... and the back end of November it takes on a new intensity and more people start getting involved in the madness.

In December it gets serious.. Gleeful that they're finally selling all the crap they didn't manage to sell throughout the year, companies start selling new crap by adding pictures of reindeer and red breasted robins to the packaging. Mysterious new tins start appearing such as 'SPICY YAKS BOLLOCKS' and people look at them and say stuff like 'I think we might try them on Boxing Day.'

I have memories of receiving such crap in the form of presents in Christmases past. One example was a pen which wrote underwater. I can't imagine wanting to write anything under water other than 'HELP! I'm drowning.'

Let's face it, Christmas exists so people can screw things up for themselves and other people. We are told it helps the economy, but from much of what I see being palmed off at dollar stores and pound shops you're probably only helping hundreds of thousands of Chinese peasants sitting at home putting together tacky digital watches and equally tacky plastic children's toys.

I don't know whether they do it on purpose or to take the piss, but most kids dolls and action men made in China seem to all look severely constipated and as if they haven't had a decent dump in months.

But then to be fair people are also going out and buying as much food as they can carry home.

How many of you are going to be sitting there at home and saying at some point 'I'm completely stuffed and can't eat another thing'?

And how many of you will probably get up an hour and half later and make a sandwich?

And it isn't like you're stuffing yourselves with good food. No.. because being a Christian holiday you have to make yourselves suffer by eating all the unpalatable foods you can imagine.

Take turkey for instance. Let's face it, turkey is a big ugly bird which by rights should have been extinct, but survives because people force themselves to eat its dry, bland, tasteless meat.

I live in London. You can go down any High Street in London and you will find places where you can buy pizza, kebabs, chicken and burgers, or burgers, pasta, pizzas, chicken and kebabs, or even burgers, pizza, chicken and kebabs. You don't find anyone selling turkey anywhere. Burger King and MacDonalds don't offer turkey and KFC is probably so successful because it is Kentucky Fried Chicken and not Kentucky Fried Turkey.

On a Friday night when you're pissed you don't stagger into the local kebab shop and demand turkey, do you?

But this doesn't stop people buying turkey for all the major Christian holidays and forcing themselves to eat it. To make it palatble they serve it with gravy, cranberry sauce, stuffing, and even other meat which they would much rather prefer eating.

Oh and then there's Brussel sprouts. Let's face facts here. If you eat more than three Brussel sprouts you are going to fart. If you eat more than a dozen or so your farts are going to stink.

The truth is people only eat Brussel sprouts to increase the misery and suffering of their Christmas. They eat them because they really want to be there sat on the sofa, feeling bloated, flabby, sat among relatives they normally don't have much time for, watching movies that they've seen half a dozen times before and farting whenever a pet or kid gets close enough to blame.

Christmas pudding - possibly the only food certain to survive a nuclear war without becoming too radioactive - is specially designed to increase your suffering at Christmas. It's so you can miss half the movie you've seen ten times before through sitting on the bog.

Christmas pudding is designed to stretch your ringpiece and exercise your sphincter muscles making it easier for you to fart and let out all that gas from the sprouts. You're sitting there on the bog, convinced that by the time you're next standing there'll be a red ring on your arse, your eyes are watering, you're gripping the towel rail or washbasin for support, letting out an 'Eeeeeh!' between laboured breathing, as the last of the Christmas pudding exits your body in a turd that's unwilling to leave your backside.

When it finally does hit the water you've got pins and needles in one of your legs and like Disney's Bambi you're struggling to stand up because you can't feel the floor. This is invariably when you bunch up half a toilet roll in your hand you're disappointed with the brown spot and with all the grace of a three-legged dog chasing its tail you waste another two minutes prodding and poking for a much better skidmark.

Another example of food and drink popular at Christmas - because it's designed to make you suffer - is mulled wine.

Mulled wine is basically cheap plonk which you heat up and serve with spices and drink over Christmas.

Why?

Many people don't drink much wine throughout the year and those that do spend time and money on selecting the finest reds and whites, the cabernet sauvignons, the merlots, semi sweet white wines, Liebfraumilch, which is generally served chilled in a glass unaccompanied.

I bet none of you would go out and get a decent bottle of Californian red or German white wine, boil it up, and start adding cloves and cinnamon to it. So what is it with the mulled wine?

The answer? Because it's Christmas and you enjoy making yourself suffer.






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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 10:05:06 AM   
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They obviously have a need for suffering, guilt trips and discomfort which can only be satiated properly towards the end of the year.


If that is what they get out of it, they aint doing it right.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 10:07:01 AM   
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It's not Christmas that is being shoved down your throat.

That's commercialism.


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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 10:08:45 AM   
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Dont forget, Christmas was a war on pagans...

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 11:03:55 AM   
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Wow....I probably shouldn't say this, but I read some of this and my though is:

bitter much?

Do I buy presents for certain family members? Yes. But that has never been the thrust of Christmas for me.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 11:30:47 AM   
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Cancer Research (UK) start shipping NEXT year's xmas cards and stuff on 2nd of January over here.

I'm not into xmas but it's fun for the kids - when you eliminate all the comercialism that goes with it.

The same for all those other major commercial events - Valentines Day, Easter, Independence Day, Thanksgiving, various Jubilee's etc.

It's just all too commercial these days. {sigh}

I'll stick with my (traditional) roast beef for 'xmas'.
Turkey isn't traditional if you read various religious texts (bringing home the fatted calf etc) - turkey for xmas is a modern thing that I personally don't subscribe to.
And not being christian, we won't be having the fir tree or the decorations or lights either.
We stick a big sign on the front door that says "Carol singers will be shot, survivors will be buried alive".
We treat it as a 'family time' with no religious connotations at all.


But each to their own.

Merry Yule to you all

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 12:31:37 PM   
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War on Christmas - Historical Fact-Checking

The Gretch Who Saved the War on Christmas

The holiday season wouldn't feel the same without people going out of their way to be offended by nothing.

Jon Stewart Gleefully Bashes Fox News For Ignoring War On Women While Pushing War On Christmas

On Monday, Daily Show host Jon Stewart took on Fox News over the network’s continuing narrative that the “War on Women” is completely manufactured while its anchors and hosts have insisted that there is a “War on Christmas.”

“I did not know there was a war on Christmas,” said Stewart after playing a clip of Christmas’ most staunch defender, The Five‘s Eric Bolling. “Because, from my perspective, Christmas seems to be everywhere.”

Stewart then showed various recent TV reports on several measures being taken or considered in Arizona, Mississippi, Texas, Wisconsin, Kansas and Pennsylvania that would place restrictions on women’s access to birth control or abortion, or that would — in the case of Topeka, Kansas — make it “legal to beat your wife.” That last report? Comes courtesy of Fox News’ own Shepard Smith.

So what would it take to “generate the same sense of outrage” at Fox News over issues facing women as does the removal of poinsettias and blinking lights?

Maybe women, Stewart suggested, could pretend their reproductive organs were vagina mangers. Cue photo of a VAGINA MANGER, which is precisely what it sounds like. Then again, he continued, perhaps women could receive “an Advent calendar with pills instead of chocolate.”

But it’s not like Fox News bandies about the term “war on…” willy nilly, right? Save for, the show demonstrated, the war being waged on nearly every holiday, fossil fuels, the Constitution, Ladies’ Night, fishermen, salt, chocolate milk, sugary drinks, food and potatoes. McDonalds, not unlike love, is a battlefield.

Seems like women are the only thing there’s not currently a war on, Stewart observed. Unless, of course, they happen to be conservative.

Watch, via Comedy Central: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-gleefully-bashes-fox-news-for-ignoring-war-on-women-while-pushing-war-on-christmas/



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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 1:11:04 PM   
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Got some coal in the stocking huh? That's the only explanation I can come up with for that level of resentment.

I've neither the time nor the inclination to address every point but there are a few things I must answer.

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This is not normal behaviour, is it? You don't turn to someone in your life and say 'It's your birthday next month I better start shopping.


When it is someone's birthday you're only shopping for one person, with Christmas you're shopping for several.

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You don't wake up on a Monday morning and say 'Oh shit! I've only got six days left to buy the meat for Sunday dinner."


Not when it is dinner for a family of four or five... a dinner for twenty or thirty people on the other hand take some advanced planning.

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How many of you are going to be sitting there at home and saying at some point 'I'm completely stuffed and can't eat another thing'? And how many of you will probably get up an hour and half later and make a sandwich?


In all of my Thanksgivings I have never seen anyone make a sandwich and hour and a half after the the meal... or even two hours or three hours. The sandwiches are for the next day. I've already got my mayo and cheese ready to go.

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Take turkey for instance. Let's face it, turkey is a big ugly bird which by rights should have been extinct, but survives because people force themselves to eat its dry, bland, tasteless meat.


Dry? Bland? Tasteless? Somebody in your circle needs some cooking lessons. When done properly turkey is juicy and delicious. Also, turkeys are doing just fine in the wild. They are intelligent birds and surprisingly fast and any hunter who bags one has earned some major bragging rights.

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I live in London. You can go down any High Street in London and you will find places where you can buy pizza, kebabs, chicken and burgers, or burgers, pasta, pizzas, chicken and kebabs, or even burgers, pizza, chicken and kebabs. You don't find anyone selling turkey anywhere. Burger King and MacDonalds don't offer turkey and KFC is probably so successful because it is Kentucky Fried Chicken and not Kentucky Fried Turkey.


I can go into any deli, any grocery store, and find turkey for sale any time of the year. I can go to any sub shop and get a turkey sub any time of the year.

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But this doesn't stop people buying turkey for all the major Christian holidays and forcing themselves to eat it.


I have never heard of anybody having turkey on Easter. What other major Christian holidays are there? Well, at least ones that have crossed over to the mainstream. I suppose you could include Valentine's day but that is all about chocolate. Saint Patrick's day? Corned beef and beer. Mardi Gras? Booze and boobs.

Well, if you are going to hate Christmas, that is your prerogative... but I'm still going to wish you a happy one.







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