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muhly22222 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 12:24:07 PM)
Unfortunately, this is small towns in rural Ohio for you, especially when those small towns are competing for the state title in football every year. I know, I'm from one myself. I never heard of classmates getting away (or committing) anything even approaching this, but it wasn't uncommon for DUIs or drug charges to disappear. While the kids certainly have the entirety of the blame on them for committing these despicable acts, I'm much more disturbed by the adults. The football coach's role isn't all that surprising, and small-town sheriffs are frequently influenced by strong athletic records. I'm most disturbed, though, by the role the prosecutor played. That might just be because I'm an attorney myself, and believe in standards of behavior and morality (I know...how naive). But her constant ignorance of the rule of law is utterly shocking. That being said, I do have some problems with that article. First, don't download the email files. If you do, you could be committing a felony - possession of child pornography. There are supposedly pornographic images of girls who appear to be underage. No matter what your reason for downloading the files is, you are committing a crime if they are of underage girls. Second, when the sheriff said that it is not a crime to be at the parties, he was right, in contrast to what the article said. Merely knowing that a crime is being committed and doing nothing to stop it (including informing the authorities) is not a crime itself, unless the person not acting had a special relationship with one of the parties (child-parent, patient-caretaker, etc.). That probably wouldn't exist between the kids at the parties and the victim. However, people who had their pictures taken with the victim or otherwise encouraged their behavior (cheering them on, for instance) could be guilty as accomplices. Merely being there and watching does not lead to criminal liability, though.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 12:31:08 PM)
quote: What am I doing about it? Signing petitions, volunteering at rape centers, helping friends who have been raped, and taking an active interest in male rapes and violence through various mediums. Sadly, you cant say any of that, even helping out the males you so bitterly complain about. I don't think there is much you can do to help a rape victim. The damage is done. Patting their back and telling them it's okay is a laughable excuse to say that "you're doing something about it". http://imgur.com/PcRHQ [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 12:34:34 PM)
Your ignorance on the topic of help for a rape victim is extremely disturbing. There is much one can do to help them after the fact, including giving them a sense of security and normalcy, as well as a shoulder to cry on, an ear to listen too, and an advocate when they cant seem to find the right words. But, it has become quite clear what your motives arem and exactly what you consistently moan and complain that you cant do anything.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 12:35:45 PM)
Yeah not like they have family and friends for that lol

Phoenixpower -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 12:39:56 PM)
yep cause families are always a safe heaven to go to, innit [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 12:57:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Yeah not like they have family and friends for that lol Keep going. You continue to show how lacking in information you are about victims of rape and violence.

Aylee -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 1:52:27 PM)
I am really not sure which post in this thread is the most disturbing. Wow.

DomKen -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 4:09:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 Unfortunately, this is small towns in rural Ohio for you, especially when those small towns are competing for the state title in football every year. I know, I'm from one myself. I never heard of classmates getting away (or committing) anything even approaching this, but it wasn't uncommon for DUIs or drug charges to disappear. While the kids certainly have the entirety of the blame on them for committing these despicable acts, I'm much more disturbed by the adults. The football coach's role isn't all that surprising, and small-town sheriffs are frequently influenced by strong athletic records. I'm most disturbed, though, by the role the prosecutor played. That might just be because I'm an attorney myself, and believe in standards of behavior and morality (I know...how naive). But her constant ignorance of the rule of law is utterly shocking. That being said, I do have some problems with that article. First, don't download the email files. If you do, you could be committing a felony - possession of child pornography. There are supposedly pornographic images of girls who appear to be underage. No matter what your reason for downloading the files is, you are committing a crime if they are of underage girls. Second, when the sheriff said that it is not a crime to be at the parties, he was right, in contrast to what the article said. Merely knowing that a crime is being committed and doing nothing to stop it (including informing the authorities) is not a crime itself, unless the person not acting had a special relationship with one of the parties (child-parent, patient-caretaker, etc.). That probably wouldn't exist between the kids at the parties and the victim. However, people who had their pictures taken with the victim or otherwise encouraged their behavior (cheering them on, for instance) could be guilty as accomplices. Merely being there and watching does not lead to criminal liability, though. Wouldn't the host of the party, or at least the child who resided in the house the party was held at, have a responsibility that extended to reporting a crime being commited at the party? Isn't that the theory under which hosts can be held liable for DUI accidents commited by guests at the party?

tazzygirl -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 4:20:27 PM)
Many of those "kids" were 18.

Nelee -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 5:19:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven It's not the rapists. It's the culture about them that permits this. You've got teenage boys, chock full of hormones, and a bunch of adults around them that condone rape. If there was a serious smackdown, this would be unlikely to occur again. I hate to say this, but the adults did not seem to think that this was out of the ordinary. I'd be surprised if this was the first time that they covered up for rape, beatings, etc. I'm sure it's not. Like Cordeliasub mentioned, it's usually just bred into the culture. Football really is like a religion to some towns, especially here in the South. As long as they make their moms and pops proud on the field, they let those boys get away with whatever they please. That's part of the reason that football (and other sport) players at universities commit rape and sexual harassment at such a high rate. They're so used to getting away with it and they just see it as another way of showing their physical dominance, be it to abuse women or to gain "manhood" credit from their peers.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 5:43:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The details are too long to repost here. They are all here: http://localleaks.blogs.ru/ What are we coming to when this sort of thing can not only go on but the perpetrators are actively protected by an entire community? Rape is only valid if you're married....California said so.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 6:00:32 PM)
This happens all over and it happens a lot. http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AqDpcsDVxVcqIDm4xKsvj0.bvZx4?p=star+athlete+rape&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701 http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7km_iOdQDVoAaidXNyoA?p=fraternity%20rape&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701 http://chronicle.com/article/Gang-Rape-Scandal-Roils-Elite/13057 quote: ORIGINAL: cordeliasub Sadly, growing up in the south.....this is not the first story I have heard like this. Football is a religion that trumps EVERYTHING for some people...especially in rural redneck towns. It is disgusting. And yes, it would still be disgusting if these football players were raping boys or if the cheerleaders were.

jlf1961 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 6:20:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cordeliasub Sadly, growing up in the south.....this is not the first story I have heard like this. Football is a religion that trumps EVERYTHING for some people...especially in rural redneck towns. It is disgusting. And yes, it would still be disgusting if these football players were raping boys or if the cheerleaders were. Unless the girl in question came from the "right" family. Some similar crimes have never seen trial, but the individual or individuals who committed the crime have suffered accidents that ended their football careers and reproductive ability. In one instance that I am aware of that happened in my father's home town in North Carolina, the victim was the daughter of one of the oldest families in the county. The male that committed the act was also from an old county family. A few months after the crime was committed, the male was found in his car in the river quite dead. Strangely enough, while the county coroner said he died in the accident, a second autopsy performed by one from the state found that he was dead before the car hit the water. This happened about 19 years ago, and as far as I know, there has not been an arrest made in the case. Of course, those in the backwards southern states are not civilized enough to allow the court system to handle such indiscretions. Of course there was the incident involving the father of my oldest nephew. It seems that he was assaulted after he had been informed of my sister's pregnancy, to which he called her a few less than pleasant names. No I was not involved, I was in Panama at the time going through survival training. Sis had a lot of male friends that considered her a sister.

kalikshama -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 6:41:22 PM)
Here's another petition: Justice for the Steubenville Rape Survivor In August, a 16-year-old girl was raped by members of the Steubenville, Ohio high school football team. She was carried, unconscious, from one party to another so the boys could repeatedly violate her throughout the night. She was reportedly urinated on. Witnesses--as many as 50 partygoers--not only watched, but posted photographs, videos, and comments about the crime to Twitter, YouYube, and Instagram. But months later, only two boys have been charged with the rape--when dozens of others participated in taking videos, posting photos and helping cover up the crime. Police claim that witnesses are not coming forward, but the truth is that the police had been dragging their feet for months. We need justice for the survivor and we need it fast. Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and the special prosecutors assigned to the case need to know that everyone who participated in this crime or in covering it up needs to be be held accountable. If we all speak out we can pressure him to prosecute all those involved. Our message to Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and the special prosecutors: A teenage girl was brutally raped in Steubenville, Ohio, as other teens posted photos and videos of the attack online. She deserves justice. Prosecute anyone who participated in this crime, as well as those who intimidated witnesses, destroyed evidence, or otherwise impeded the investigation--including people who posted photos and video on Twitter, YouTube and Instagram instead of trying to stop or report the crime.

kalikshama -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 6:47:03 PM)
http://localleaks.blogs.ru/ ...Sheriff Fred Abdalla has been the Sheriff of Jefferson County in Ohio USA for 28 years and has stood for election unopposed (with only one rare exception) for his entire career. In this video interview taken at the recent Anonymous organized protest that took place on December 29, 2012 you can clearly hear Sheriff Abdalla admit that he is aware from evidence gathered that numerous individuals witnessed the attack on the victim and yet he oddly states that simply being there and being aware of the attack is not a crime. This is of course completely incorrect, as witnessing a crime and failing to report it is in itself a crime – and under certain circumstances can even be equated to the charge of conspiracy or being an accessory. Certainly having been a law enforcement officer for nearly three decades, the Sheriff knows this fact. Sheriff Abdalla also states in this interview that he has nothing to do with the investigation, yet states that he assisted the local police department in hunting down people who attended these parties at which the girl was attacked and confiscating their cell phones and other electronics. And finally he states, again incorrectly – that he CAN’T investigate the gang rape attack or whether or not this has happened to other victims because it is not his jurisdiction. As almost everyone knows, the Sheriff is the highest law enforcement officer in a county and has jurisdiction over ANYTHING in that county. Under constitutional law, his authority even trumps that of the federal law enforcement agencies in his own county. Watch the video, and make note of the points above – this man is lying: [Video] LocalLeaks has confirmed that Sheriff Abdalla and Head Football Coach Reno A. Saccoccia have breakfast a couple of times a week together at the Spot Bar in Steubenville. Recall that per Sheriff Abdalla’s own admission in the video interview above, it was he who was tasked with retrieving the cell phones and other electronic gear from the football players and other students involved in the gang rape of the young girl. In the process of this operation to retrieve the cell phones, several KEY pieces of video and photographic evidence were “inadvertently” deleted by the Sheriff and his deputies. And finally, Sheriff Abdalla runs the largest illegal gambling operation in Jefferson County – employing bookies who work out of the Spot Bar as well as other establishments in Steubenville. Sheriff Abdulla’s brother is the largest importer of cocaine in Jefferson County. His brother was also a teacher, that is until he was caught having sex with a student and was fired. – Prosecuting Attorney Jane Hanlin – The Honorable Jane Hanlin is a Prosecuting Attorney for Jefferson County and the mother of Big Red football player Charlie Keenan, who is suspected of being a member of “The Rape Crew”. Jane Hanlin represented Edward “Eddie” Lulla in a civil legal matter this summer (spending a great deal of time with him). Mr. Lulla is an agent for the BCI who was sent by the State of Ohio to lend oversight to the rape investigation in Steubenville. Not surprisingly, the State of Ohio found everything to be going smoothly. In addition, “Eddie” Lulla’s son was recently chosen to join Steubenville Police Department out of a pool of three candidates. When ranked, his son was not the first candidate. It is crystal clear why Mr. Lulla was unable to find anything wrong with the current investigation (which is being conducted by SPD) into this horrible crime. When the family of the victim went to file the charges, Jane Hanlin was present. She strongly discouraged them from filing. Hanlin frightened not only the victim, but the parents as well. Telling them that her name was going to be dragged through the mud, she will be in and out of court for well over two years, the press wouldn’t leave any of the family alone once the crime was made public. Scared out of their wits, the parents said they didn’t want that and Hanlin then said not to worry just leave it up to her and the detectives on the case. Read more: http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

PeonForHer -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 6:57:27 PM)
quote: I'm sure it's not. Like Cordeliasub mentioned, it's usually just bred into the culture. Football really is like a religion to some towns, especially here in the South. As long as they make their moms and pops proud on the field, they let those boys get away with whatever they please. That's part of the reason that football (and other sport) players at universities commit rape and sexual harassment at such a high rate. They're so used to getting away with it and they just see it as another way of showing their physical dominance, be it to abuse women or to gain "manhood" credit from their peers. I honestly had come to believe that this kind of characterisation of male sports teams at colleges and unis in the USA was exaggerated in the films and TV shows that have depicted it. Apparently not, though. That really does give me the shudders.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 7:26:54 PM)
The fact that you think it has anything to do with one particular country, instead of being common worldwide, gives me the shudders. It is exactly that sort of thinking that fuels the coverups... worldwide. quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I'm sure it's not. Like Cordeliasub mentioned, it's usually just bred into the culture. Football really is like a religion to some towns, especially here in the South. As long as they make their moms and pops proud on the field, they let those boys get away with whatever they please. That's part of the reason that football (and other sport) players at universities commit rape and sexual harassment at such a high rate. They're so used to getting away with it and they just see it as another way of showing their physical dominance, be it to abuse women or to gain "manhood" credit from their peers. I honestly had come to believe that this kind of characterisation of male sports teams at colleges and unis in the USA was exaggerated in the films and TV shows that have depicted it. Apparently not, though. That really does give me the shudders.

Owner59 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 9:54:13 PM)
When I heard that some of the residence were backing the players saying "she wants to hurt the football program"........I thought............Whahhh! Then I realized that there really really really are some really stupid people out there.

jlf1961 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 10:08:40 PM)
Unfortunately, in small town America high school football is more of an obsession than guns ever were. Local football heroes are given a pass when buying beer, booze or whatever they want. They expect girls to spread their legs without argument or resistance, of course there are the willing girls that have sex with football players as some sort of status symbol. Hell, I live in West Texas and in high-school I made first string varsity in my freshman year and played that way all four years in high school, Made all state team all four years and was voted Most Valuable Defensive back for three of those years. I got free booze during the off season, one of the school alumni owned a feed store so all members of the team that owned horses got free feed, tack and he even covered vet costs. There were other perks, like gas for my 66 charger and pickup, a new set of tires every year and of course girls. To put it mildly, in small towns football players are treated as if they are gods or something. It happens all over the United States.

muhly22222 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/4/2013 10:48:49 PM)
I'm answering your questions without having specifically researched the issue, so I could be wrong...but I really don't want to devote several hours, and that is actually a fairly narrow legal question that would take that long to research. The theory under which hosts (and bars) are held liable when guests are in accidents as a result of having consumed too much alcohol is one that extends to civil liability, but not, to my knowledge, to criminal liability. In other words, the victim of the car accident could sue the host in addition to the drunk driver to recover his/her medical expenses, etc. However, the host would not be held criminally responsible, such that he/she could spend time in jail. For that reason, I think the comparison probably isn't apt with respect to criminal liability. There is certainly an opportunity for the victim here to sue the parents and the host under several different causes of action, and I think that she and her family should at the very least be considering that. Whether they ultimately want to do that is completely their decision, though. Assuming that by the "host" you mean the adult(s) who owned the house(s) at which the girl was abused, they certainly couldn't be guilty of a crime if they weren't home. Even if they left home knowing there was going to be a party, there is no way they could have foreseen an event like this, barring some sort of knowledge that, from the article, they did not seem to have. As far as the child, there shouldn't be any criminal guilt there, either, barring special facts that don't appear to be present. There is never a legal duty (moral duty is another story) to report a crime that has been committed, unless the law imposes such a duty. Thus, teachers and doctors must report suspected cases of child abuse. A person in high school is not going to have such a duty in most cases.

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