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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/17/2013 2:29:20 PM   
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Strange that you did not seem to read the only feasible solution that I could see, which would involve Israel withdrawing to the pre 67 war borders, making their community building sites no longer part of their country.

Maybe he can see that as a possible solution but is aware that it's far less likely than the black stone at Mecca being turned into a charcuterie?



If the UN leaves it up to the all parties involved. I am afraid it is a solution that would have to be forced down the throats of all parties involved, hence the international peace keeping force deployed to make it stick.

Basically it is a play on the old parenting technique of dealing with two or more kids, setting down the solution and using threat of punishment to make it stick.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/17/2013 3:18:56 PM   
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Which is why it isn't ever going to happen, sadly.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/17/2013 9:56:25 PM   
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The basic thesis of this thread - that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic - is nonsense. To sustain this absurdity, one must use the terms 'Israel' and 'the Jewish people' interchangeably.
However 'the Jewish people' survived for two millennia without Israel, and Israel is home to approx half of the world's Jews.

Therefore, "Israel' and 'the Jewish people' are not interchangeable and therefore political criticism of Israeli policies is not anti-Semitic.

Apologists for the nasty apartheid terrorist State of Israel automatically lose the right to accuse others of racism when they excuse or gloss over Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/17/2013 10:04:50 PM   
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Strange that you did not seem to read the only feasible solution that I could see, which would involve Israel withdrawing to the pre 67 war borders, making their community building sites no longer part of their country.


Israel has rejected this and they reject it every time they build new settlements on occupied land. It is obvious the Israeli government wants the zionist ambition of a greater Israel on Arab land.

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As far as freedom fighters, strangely enough, I would expect freedom fighters to target military or government installations, not civilians. That seems to change the message from we want our freedom, to we just want to kill every body the hell with fighting a legit war.


1. Israel targets Arab civilians which is how it has slaughtered hundreds of women and children in its Gaza prison camp and let's not forget the west bank.

2. How can a few men with Kalashnikovs and fireworks in an open prison camp fight anything but a guerilla war against a regional superpower? Israel having a similar sized military as the UK, France and Germany.

3. Even the USA regularly targets civilians.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/17/2013 10:08:06 PM   
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.......just wants to kiss tweaky on the cheek and say I miss seeing you post.


I don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't think most people on these boards are anti-semitic.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/17/2013 11:18:32 PM   
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The post that started this, claimed that it was a lie that Arab countries had ever attacked Israel, and went on to deny that Jews had ever been the victims in any mass violence, going all the way back to the 1920s.
It also denied that there had ever been a TransJordan set up for Palestinians.
It specifically claimed that the Palestinians were living in their 'ancestral' lands and were forced off of them by the Israelis.

Now that level of denier rhetoric delivered in an angry tone might not be actual anti-semitism, but it'll do until the real thing comes along.


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But what I cant wrap my head around is how people can condemn the Israelis for doing things that are in their own national history.

Jlf, you ignore the ongoing Settlement Movement that is encircling Palestinian villages and cities, and diminishes Palestinian land.

You ignore that Palestinians have been driven from their homes in East Jerusalem to make way for new Israeli settlements so that Jerusalem will be completely unavailable to the Palestinians as a Capitol of their nation. Hence, the impossibility of the two state option.

You ignore the ghetto-isation of Gaza.

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In the case of each person that have made anti Israel or anti Semitic arguments, their own country has a history of ethnic oppression of indigenous people, which in many ways is still going on. They seem to rejoice in the deaths of Israeli civilians and mourn the deaths of Palestinians who die in the reprisal attacks.


It is outrageous bullshit for you to equate anti-Israel with anti-Semitic and if you suggest that anyone on this board has rejoiced in the deaths of Israeli civilians.

But, you touched on the essence of the present day problem: the Israeli oppression of indigenous people. The contest between Israel and the Palestinians for land is being waged with an asymmetry of power that favours Israel mightily.

You can keep going back to 1947 all you wish but you ignore the Ottoman history and the mandate history that preceeded that date. The Zionists are interlopers driven by a radical religious zealotry.



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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 1:35:50 AM   
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The post that started this, claimed that it was a lie that Arab countries had ever attacked Israel, and went on to deny that Jews had ever been the victims in any mass violence, going all the way back to the 1920s.
It also denied that there had ever been a TransJordan set up for Palestinians.
It specifically claimed that the Palestinians were living in their 'ancestral' lands and were forced off of them by the Israelis.

Now that level of denier rhetoric delivered in an angry tone might not be actual anti-semitism, but it'll do until the real thing comes along.


If you are referring to post by me then you really need to re-check what I actually wrote, not the mangled confused abortion of my sentiments presented in your post.

The claims in the first two sentences do not refer to anything I have written here. Only the third and last claim ("It specifically claimed that the Palestinians were living in their 'ancestral' lands and were forced off of them by the Israelis.") is an accurate reflection of what I wrote.

How anyone could dispute the facticity of the claim that "that the Palestinians were living in their 'ancestral' lands and were forced off of them by the Israelis" is beyond my understanding. There is no doubt that the Palestinians are the indigenous people of the area and there is no doubt - even among most Israeli historians - that they were ethnically cleansed and driven off their lands by violence and terror by the forces that later became the Israeli Defence Forces, a process that continues to this day on the West Bank as Israel tries to complete its theft of the West Bank..

The screeching levels of "denier rhetoric" are all yours and yours alone. Apologists for the nasty apartheid terrorist State of Israel automatically lose the right to accuse others of racism when they excuse or gloss over Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

There is a limit to the amount of hypocrisy one can take and such contemptible claims exceed the limit.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 2:55:04 AM   
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In the case of each person that have made anti Israel or anti Semitic arguments, their own country has a history of ethnic oppression of indigenous people, which in many ways is still going on. They seem to rejoice in the deaths of Israeli civilians and mourn the deaths of Palestinians who die in the reprisal attacks.


1. Personally I doubt you have any Palestinian friends but there you go.

2. Criticism of the Israeli state is not anti-semitic although the Israeli government try to claim it is.

3. Indirectly you are justifying the holocaust because you are saying no one from any country which has subjugated people in its history has a right to criticise. Well, if that's the case, what right had the USA or anyone else in condemning the NAZIs for genocide when the USA had a genocidal programme against native Americans.


The Nazi Holocaust?

What about the US Holocaust that everyone in the world knows about except americans of course!

Thats most likely because we have runaway out of control "free" speech! LOL


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Eisenhower's Holocaust - His
Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans



"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944)

Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE.

Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an order on March 10, 1945 that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any water or medical attention.
Sounds a lot like gw dubya and the muslims doesnt it? The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.
Hitler allowed the Red cross to inspect his camps.
Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN reported in his column on September 12,1989 the following, in part:

"...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater."

"For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW's on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply ... Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald."

So lets assume the gas chambers were used for people. That makes it knowing premeditated murder of jews by gassing. Right? Now lets take a look at Eisenhauers premediated murder by starvation and lack of medical treatmentfor prisoners of war.

So the logic runs that Buchenwald treatment of prisoners is a Holocaust for Hitler but not starvation is not a Holocaust for Eisenhauer right?


It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, were denied. General Patton's Third Army was the only command in the European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans.

Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945,

He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12, 1990:

"My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our deliberate policy not to adequately feed them."

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@jlf so how do you expect people to respond?

Since most people do not slice and dice hair line distinctions between hebrew, askenazi, jew, zionist/ isreali and lump sum anything to do with isreal into one term "jew" category?

So much information was withheld and never put in american school books. Like that wonderful olympic swimming pool at auschwitz (and several other camps) and the fact hitler had several jewish officers on staff, and the fact that typhus and starvation due to allied bombing was the great killer.

Very inconvenient for the standing propaganda and so many people are so unhappy that they are getting beaten to death more each day with facts that their governments withheld from them.

That their american presidents and brit counterparts are war criminals that exceed and dwarf hitler.


So the question to you is:
When people get beat over the head long enough with the facts and come to this realization since isreal profited and still do from ww2 from tax dollars paid by the american people, why would there not be a wave of anti -something- the way these cards played out?

Then add what tweak said which is spot on to add insult on top of injury?

Do you think americans have a reason to be pissed after their TRUST has been destroyed by their elected and otherwise trustees?





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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 3:19:45 AM   
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Unfortunately Mr. Igor, its waaay more complicated than dat. Jews were cleasned from their ancient communities all over the Arab world, their lands a multiple of da size of Israel. Israel gave back almost all da land taken in a defensive war. Now they all want two lands for two peoples. Da Pals say da same but they keep a walkin' away, dats da truth. Remember Camp David. Arafat walkin' out an' startin' an Intifada... Two sides to da story, Igor, two sides.

What has the cleansing of Jews from Arab countries to do with the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed from their homes and land? I accept the Arab countries jumped on an excuse to expell Jews but that is not the fault of the people the Jews ethnically cleansed. That was a crime committed by those Arab countries that expelled jews. What you are doing is a little like blaming the Dutch or Irish for the holocaust. The Arab world is no more homogenous than the european world.

You keep forgetting it is the Palestinians who are subjugated by Israel and any right minded person would accept subjugated people have a right to fight for freedom against their oppressor.

You're missing da big picture Igor. It is a conflict dat involves da whole Arab world, where much of it sees itself as a single entity. Ever hear of pan-Arabism? Da PLO wuz started by da Arab League in 1964. Arafat said a few times dat it wuz really an Arab conflict not a Palestinian one. Many Arab leaders said similar things in da early part of da conflict. Da Arabs keep Palestinian refugees in their countries in poor conditions wit few rights to use dem as a fifth column. They also didn't want a Palestinian state being created (Jordan an' Egypt). Any expulsion of Palestinians (its scale is debated) started after they revolted an' got involved in da Arab-Israeli war, sometimes wit their own forces. Da expulsion of Jews began before Israel existed, an' Jewish peeps dat lived a long time in da West Bank were also cleansed. So it's all interlinked, an' da very reason a secure Jewish State should exist.

Sorry bud but your parallel wit da Dutch an' da Irish wit da Holocaust makes no sense. Not all Palestinians but many (including their leaders) had a leading hand in da expulsions. Ever heard of da godfather of Palestinianism http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Husseini.html Haj Amin al-Husseini? He aided da porgom araginst da Jews across da Arab world, e.g. Iraq.

Sounds like you justify terrorism, an' jus keep denying the Pallys walked away from peace. Da truth whether you like it or not, is dat they did walk away a few times. They got no moral right to fight as they rejected a just peace: two states for basically two peoples dat have difficulty gettin' along. Nuthin' wrong wit it. Da principle of partition has been applied well in other parts of da world.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 3:36:17 AM   
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You're missing da big picture Igor. It is a conflict dat involves the whole Arab world, a great deal of which sees itself as a single entity.



Actually no one but the Americans see the Arab world as a single entity, noit even Israel sees the Arab world as a single entity which is why Israel has peace (of sorts) with Egypt and Jordon. There is a whole host of different attitudes to Israel in the Arab world. It is just good propaganda on Israel's part to keep telling the Americans the whole Arab world is one and against Israel, it keeps idiot Americans bankrolling the IDF.



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Ever heard of pan-Arabism?



Ever heard of pan-Europeanism? That is the same wishful thinking.

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Sorry bud but your parallel wit da Dutch an' da Irish wit da Holocaust makes no sense. Not all Palestinians but many (including their leaders) had a leading hand in da expulsions. Ever heard of da godfather of Palestinianism http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Husseini.html Haj Amin al-Husseini? He aided da porgom araginst da Jews across da Arab world.



Zionists helped to create their great bogeyman, just as most powers create their own bogeymen. Meaningless drivel to bring up a bogeyman who had no real power.

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Sounds like you justify terrorism. They got no moral right to fight as they rejected a just peace: two states for two peoples. Da principle has been applied in other parts of da world.


The Palestinians have every right to fight for their freedom against the power that subjugates them. Israel has rejected far more peace opporunities than the Palestinians and if you are talking about Ehud Barak's peace offer, what he was offering was the equivalent of the Palestinians living on reservations just like north American natives. He was not offering a two state solution, he was offering on the west bank pieces of land surrounded by the IDF, rather like Gaza. As for the Oslo accord, Israel appears never to have had the inclination to impliment it.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 3:43:07 AM   
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when you talk about the state you are talking about the zionists which may or may not include jew.

britian decided that their zionist pals should have a state and gave it to them so the US colonies and britain could have a strategic foothold in the ME and supplied the military power to back it up.

Another installed "democracy". Nice label huh?

You know supply the backing, sort of like we did with sadam when we installed him, or the terror when K. roosevelt toppled the democratic government of iran.

The fact is in the final analysis the pallys have as much claim to the same land that was forcibly removed from them and given over to zionist control by the creation of the isreali state as any jewish sect does.

Not to mention those who followed Jesus Christ who also can claim a piece of that pie.

So what would you think if someone came in and kicked you off your land made it a state gave it to someone else?

Then combined that with massive "failure to inform"?

You know like coming in the nite and hauling you to a camp and then no one knows so no one looks.

Do you think you or your family would be a bit anti about that time?

Then how come land title claims run all the way back to the beginning of time everywhere but america?




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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:02:52 AM   
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You're missing da big picture Igor. It is a conflict dat involves the whole Arab world, a great deal of which sees itself as a single entity.

Actually no one but the Americans see the Arab world as a single entity, noit even Israel sees the Arab world as a single entity which is why Israel has peace (of sorts) with Egypt and Jordon. There is a whole host of different attitudes to Israel in the Arab world. It is just good propaganda on Israel's part to keep telling the Americans the whole Arab world is one and against Israel, it keeps idiot Americans bankrolling the IDF.

Simplistic thinking bud, an' where exactly does Israel keep tellin' America da Arab world is jus' one entity?

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Ever heard of pan-Arabism?

Ever heard of pan-Europeanism? That is the same wishful thinking.

Ain't da same thing at all buddy boy. Very different part o' da world wit a totally different mindset an' culture, wit da Arabs perceiving demselves as being at risk from da West.

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Sorry bud but your parallel wit da Dutch an' da Irish wit da Holocaust makes no sense. Not all Palestinians but many (including their leaders) had a leading hand in da expulsions. Ever heard of da godfather of Palestinianism http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Husseini.html Haj Amin al-Husseini? He aided da porgom araginst da Jews across da Arab world.

Zionists helped to create their great bogeyman, just as most powers create their own bogeymen. Meaningless drivel to bring up a bogeyman who had no real power.

Yep da grandfather of da Palestinian movement is a made up bogeyman who collaborated wit Hitler an' started da Holy War army. ROFL

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Sounds like you justify terrorism. They got no moral right to fight as they rejected a just peace: two states for two peoples. Da principle has been applied in other parts of da world.

The Palestinians have every right to fight for their freedom against the power that subjugates them. Israel has rejected far more peace opporunities than the Palestinians and if you are talking about Ehud Barak's peace offer, what he was offering was the equivalent of the Palestinians living on reservations just like north American natives. He was not offering a two state solution, he was offering on the west bank pieces of land surrounded by the IDF, rather like Gaza. As for the Oslo accord, Israel appears never to have had the inclination to impliment it.

Nope da Palestinians always reject peace dealz when part way through or near completion. Barak gave Arafat 90% plus of da territory demanded including East Jerusalem so wtf you talkin' about? You are just making all this stuff up bud.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:11:58 AM   
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Silly simplistic response from a dude who denies da Holocaust an' thunks they had olympic swimming pools in Auchwitz. Jews got da right to be there an' are there. Da Pallys have a claim too. Its bout findin' a solution jus' not a final solution. lol

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:17:35 AM   
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"I" am in denial?

those swimming pools are a matter of record, even on all the original arial photos LOL

"I" am in denial?

They are there to this very day!

"I" am in denial?

Really?

Ask the mods to undelete the pics I posted of them LOL








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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:19:57 AM   
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"I" am in denial?

Thought you would refer to yourself wit da royal "We"!

ETA bout da swimmin' pool http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/01/dumbest-holocaust-denial-icon-auschwitz.html

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:26:36 AM   
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Its a foregone conclusion people not in denial are antisemites

thanks for the loser blog

I'll pass.

I prefer factual historical records thank you very much.

Like I said ask the mods to undelete the videos and pics.







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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:38:45 AM   
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Its a foregone conclusion people not in denial are antisemites

thanks for the loser blog

I'll pass.

I prefer factual historical records thank you very much.

Like I said ask the mods to undelete the videos and pics.

Why should I ask da mods to do dat bubba?

Da blog is using other reliable sources - http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0509.htm an' http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/van/1

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 4:55:38 AM   
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pressac is the source people are told to rely upon however also busted by a nice jewish boy and shown to be fraudulent. Its all about da munny hunny!

I know you wont but if you want to go head to head on the holocaust take it to another forum and pm me or at least make another thread, this is not about the holocaust, its about why antisemitism is becoming so prevalent.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 5:00:45 AM   
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Simplistic thinking bud, an' where exactly does Israel keep tellin' America da Arab world is jus' one entity?


YAWN! Is that the best you can do. If it wasn't for America, Israel wouldn't exuist, not because of any existential threat but it would be economically destroyed through living beyond its means.

The irony is, the biggest cause of conflict in the ME is a charity case and an expensive one at that for America. Obviously many Americans prefer Israelis to their fellow Americans.


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Ain't da same thing at all buddy boy. Very different part o' da world wit a totally different mindset an' culture, wit da Arabs perceiving demselves as being at risk from da West.



It's entirely the same thing, pan Arabism like pan-Europeanism doesn't exist except in the minds of a few idealists.



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Yep da grandfather of da Palestinian movement is a made up bogeyman who collaborated wit Hitler an' started da Holy War army. ROFL


Jesus Christ! The Stern Group, you know, zionists, offered to work for the NAZIs against the British. A simple case of my enemy's enemy is my friend so your poiint apart from being smug and patronising is?


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Nope da Palestinians always reject peace dealz when part way through or near completion. Barak gave Arafat 90% plus of da territory demanded including East Jerusalem so wtf you talkin' about? You are just making all this stuff up bud.


Dealz? Dealz? Can't you spell?

I'm afraid you writing the equivalent of wet farts now, Barak didn't give Arafat 90% of the territory. The territory was to be broken down into reservation type areas with IDF military roads dividing the reservations, Israel would control electricity and water supplies and all other utilities. Brak wasn't offering land that could be viable as a sovereign terrotory.

Come back when you have learnt something.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/18/2013 5:17:38 AM   
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If it wasn't for America, Israel wouldn't exuist, not because of any existential threat but it would be economically destroyed through living beyond its means.

There's existential threats as well, of course: would Israel have survived the six day war without those jets it got from the US government?

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