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The truth of the matter is that by denying the Holocaust, you are basically calling Jews liars, denying there history.
I disagree. The mass murder during the Second World War of European peoples that practised circumcision (as well as of other peoples such as the gypsies and Dutch resistance fighters) is a fact of history and has got nothing to do with what Jews say.
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Collarme has decided that holocaust denial is not antisemitic, I think it is, what is your opinions? Should the TOS reflect the given world view on the subject?
In my opinion it is not antisemitic, but instead it is stupid. But I think that Collarme has the right of it: if one poster says stupid things, other posters will shoot down the stupidity.
Now what I wonder about with great wonderment, is why the European nations, after having murdered most peoples that practice circumcision in Europe during WWII, opened their borders to immigration by massive numbers of barbaric peoples that also practice circumcision and that have as high a frequency of inherited diseases as the Jews do in the 1960's and after. Riddle me that.
You will hear many people accused of holocaust denial bring up the reason zyklon b was used in the place.
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Memoirs by the French soldiers and their allies indicate that the Polish peasants were infested with fleas, lice, and bed bugs. The peasant homes were so filthy that hundreds of cockroaches swarmed the cottages day and night. Within a few days of crossing the Niemen, several soldiers began to develop high fevers and pink rashes on their bodies. Typhus had broken out in the Grande Armée, and, because of this scourge, most soldiers would not see Moscow.
Typhus.
Typhus has always been associated with war. Indeed, one of its many colloquial names is war fever. Zinsser (1934) stated, "Typhus had come to be the inevitable and expected companion of war and revolution; no encampment, no campaigning army, and no besieged city escaped it." Rickettsia prowazekii (da Rocha-Lima), a bacterialike organism, causes the dreadful disease. The human body louse, Pediculus humanus L., has been a scourge to humans for centuries. It transmits typhus to humans and humans return the "favor" by infecting the louse, which is also a victim of the disease, seldom surviving its attack. Typhus truly is a disease of humans and lice; no animal reservoirs are known to be involved in the disease cycle.
A louse becomes infected with typhus by taking a blood meal from a fever-ridden human. Once in the louse's gut, the rickettsiae reproduce to such enormous numbers that they cause cells in the insect's gut to rupture. The rickettsiae then are present in the feces of the louse. Humans become infected by rubbing or scratching the lice feces into their skin or into their mucous membranes. It is an interesting disease because even though lice imbibe human blood, the parasite is not transmitted to humans during this process. Most of the other diseases carried by insects are transmitted through the bite.
Once infected, humans experience a high fever that continues for approximately two weeks. Simultaneous symptoms may include severe headaches, bronchial disturbances, and mental confusion. Indeed, typhus is from the Greek word typhos meaning stupor. After approximately six days, red eruptions appear on the torso, hands, feet, and face (Fig. 6). Mortality is incredibly high under epidemic conditions, nearing 100%.
The conditions of war are perfect for typhus to explode into a raging epidemic because poverty, crowding, mass migrations, inadequate housing, and malnutrition encourage its spread. The Plague of Athens in 420 B.C., during the Peloponnesian War, may have been the first recorded typhus epidemic. Typhus' association with war and its devastating effect continued until World War II. A potentially horrific epidemic was averted in Sicily and Italy in 1943 through a concerted delousing campaign engineered by the Allies using the then miraculous compound, DDT.
(The Germans did not have the luxury of ddt their only means of lice control at that time was by poison gas to fumigate clothing, complete shaving of heads and bodies, disinfecting the body as best as possible under war conditions)
The French army continued to march east, virtually unopposed. The Russians were simply no match for the Grande Armée. As they have many times in their history, the Russians gave up their land to the invading army, encouraging the invaders to be drawn deeper and deeper into Russia.
Just one month into the campaign, Napoleon had lost 80,000 soldiers to typhus and dysentery (Fig. 7). Moscow was still 480 km to the east. Smolensk fell on 17 August and the battle at Valutino quickly followed, claiming 6,000 French casualties. However, the Russians continued to retreat. By 25 August, Napoleon had lost 105,000 of his central army of 265,000. Two weeks later, typhus and exposure reduced the army to 130,000 (Chandler 1966).
http://entomology.montana.edu/historybug/napoleon/typhus_russia.htm
The problem that I see is that people here seem to have some sort of tunnel vision. All they can see is gas murder gas.
everyone is painfully silent when campt entertainment is on the table for discussion or they try to defer to the usual talking points.
What if so many of these people were really killed by an epidemic caused little bug that got out of control?
Why is this being consistently ignored and full focus blame of the death toll put on gas when we know the camps had at least 2 giant outbreaks of typhus?
One when they brought in a large number of poles around about 43 and then another when the allies bombed and they did not have adequate food supplies due to the bombing of german convoys?
I want to see the records that distinguish between typhus death and gas death.
Especially since the americans sent army forensic teams and found no gassing.
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How did people on DDay get from this very healthy condition:
to this condition:
Does gas make people turn to skin and bones?
If they were all starved how come so many are so healthy and vibrant?
Why would torture be used to extract witness testimony to the use of gas? What is the significance and why is the use promulgation of human gassing so important?
It seems so many grossly obvious points simply slip right past people as the beat on their drums.
why are these pertinent issues being simply glossed over?
Does bringing these facts to your attention make me an antisemite?
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 1/25/2013 10:40:15 AM >
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