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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 5:53:38 AM

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 6:00:29 AM

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 6:30:02 AM

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The UK Guardian is reporting that Boston Police have identified the suspects as two brothers from Dagestan in Central Asia. Apparently they have been US residents for "7 or 8 years"according to their uncle. A Moscow correspondent reports:

"According to his account on the Russian social networking site Vkontakte, Tsarnaev graduated from the Cambridge Rindge & Latin School, a Massachusetts high school, in 2011, and attended School No. 1 in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, from 1999 to 2001.
He appears to have been a good student, having received a a $2,500 scholarship from the city of Cambridge in 2011 to pursue college. He was also named a wrestling all-star at his high school the same year.
On his VKontakte page (Russia's Facebook), Tsarnaev says he considers “career and money” most important in life. As his worldview, he wrote: “Islam”.
The page says Tsarnaev speaks English, Russian and Chechen, and belongs to a number of groups devoted to Chechnya. Dagestan, a republic neighbouring Chechnya, maintains a small Chechen minority.
Tsarnaev was born on 22 July 1993, just before a fierce battle for independence broke out in the republic of Chechnya, attempting to secede from Russia in the wake of the Soviet Union's collapse. Over time, the independence movement grew increasingly Islamist in character. Largely quashed by Moscow, a low-level insurgency persists in Chechnya and has leaked into neighbouring Dagestan.
On VKontakte, Tsarnaev follows several pages devoted to Islam. He also lists one of his favorite songs as Hey Sexy Lady”by Shaggy.."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/boston-mit-police-dead-watertown

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 9:08:29 AM

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I love that: an Islamic Jihadist who likes ragga songs with softcore porn videos?
Only in America...

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 9:12:21 AM

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this article says they came to the US in 2002.. so they have been here for 11 years.. I dont know what to make of it all..

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 2:36:48 PM

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It is fortunate that Muslims want peace. Imagine the far worse mayhem these two brothers would have caused if they had not wanted peace...

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 3:35:02 PM

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Their conversion seems to be a red herring, Rule. They (or at least one of them) seem to have been malcontents to begin with, and to have gravitated toward jihadism as an outlet for that. Much of their commentary resembles typical right wing rhetoric about decaying values, people not giving a shit anymore, etc.

I'm more willing to entertain a jihadist motive now, but I'm not quite ready to concede it, given the paucity of evidence.

Jihadists damn themselves quite sufficiently without us being too quick to ascribe all ills to them.

Incidentally, when did people start saying "islamists" instead of "jihadists"?

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 3:42:26 PM

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It is fortunate that Muslims want peace. Imagine the far worse mayhem these two brothers would have caused if they had not wanted peace...

Good point, Rule. I haven't heard of anyone's foreskin being blown off so far.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 4:28:48 PM

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CNN is reporting that the FBI "interviewed" the older brother at the behest of an unidentified foreign government which suspected that the brother had ties to some foreign extremist groups.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 5:42:04 PM

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Good point, Rule.

Thank you. I do am a supergenius, you ought to know, so I am far more correct - on certain subjects only - than ordinary people.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 5:58:35 PM

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Good point, Rule.

Thank you. I do am a supergenius, you ought to know, so I am far more correct - on certain subjects only - than ordinary people.

One would think a super genius such as yourself would be able to master the intricacies of the language,no ?

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 6:26:38 PM

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It is in their genotype, Aswad. They are mostly primitive man as our own ancestors were one or two thousand years ago. The difference is that their gene pool has been static these thousands of years; that is what you get in inbreeding strictly monogamous populations.

You're wrong about this, Rule, plain wrong.

One count of positive error, one count of negative error, two probable counts of positive error, and a series of control paths you didn't check (if you did, the inconsistency would make two of the positive errors obvious, and would suggest the negative error). They're buried a bit too deeply to walk you through it. That should be enough information for you to track down the problematic constellations, though. The conclusion after correcting the errors will be more useful and more profound. Let's see that supergenious at work.

The line between genious and insanity is a thin one, which I mention on account of your claim to supergenious. Both are characterized by being able to leap from A to C. The crucial difference is, genious can go back to fill in B, while insanity does it when B doesn't connect them. In my experience, for people without a pathology, how one straddles this line is a conscious or partially conscious choice. I'll credit you with that option. So go back to the drawing board, and do the legwork to fill in B. You'll find you can't, because of the errors I mentioned. Correct them, and you'll do more good for your goal. Else, you may fall off that line, and land firmly on the wrong side of it.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 6:35:45 PM

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/19/2013 9:53:07 PM

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You are putting it out as one of the reasons the KJV isn't accurate is because modern translations don't have the patronage.

Translations of the Bible where someone is paying to have their propaganda inserted are generally less accurate than those who don't have such influence.

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Yet, it's the patronage that you claiming helped make it inaccurate?

For the third time yes, that is what I'm claiming.

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Seems to me that those KJV re-writes without the KJ bias should be more accurate.

Yes, subsequent versions are more accurate in that they have fixed spelling and grammar issues as well as updating phrases that really aren't comprehensible to the modern reader but even the kj21 is just a minor update to the kjv and not a major overhaul of translation decisions present in the original.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/20/2013 4:15:13 AM

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You are putting it out as one of the reasons the KJV isn't accurate is because modern translations don't have the patronage.

Translations of the Bible where someone is paying to have their propaganda inserted are generally less accurate than those who don't have such influence.

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Yet, it's the patronage that you claiming helped make it inaccurate?

For the third time yes, that is what I'm claiming.

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Seems to me that those KJV re-writes without the KJ bias should be more accurate.

Yes, subsequent versions are more accurate in that they have fixed spelling and grammar issues as well as updating phrases that really aren't comprehensible to the modern reader but even the kj21 is just a minor update to the kjv and not a major overhaul of translation decisions present in the original.

And, all of that impacts the aesthetics of the KJV.... how? I already know the answer to that, and since I'm not exactly the "everything in the Bible is literal" camper, my choice of Bible translations based on aesthetics irritates you... why?

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/20/2013 4:27:34 AM

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It is fortunate that Muslims want peace. Imagine the far worse mayhem these two brothers would have caused if they had not wanted peace...

Good point, Rule. I haven't heard of anyone's foreskin being blown off so far.

Well what can we sinners do but thank Heaven for that! The Lord does move in mysterious ways indeed!

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/20/2013 3:41:56 PM

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And, all of that impacts the aesthetics of the KJV.... how? I already know the answer to that, and since I'm not exactly the "everything in the Bible is literal" camper, my choice of Bible translations based on aesthetics irritates you... why?

*face palm*

First of all my points about the propaganda in it and it not being up to modern standards of scholarship can't possibly be spun to have anything to do with aesthetics.

Furthermore seeing as it's taken you three pages to wrap your head around a simple statement I made in modern english how can you possibly think it's reasonable for you to sabotage your ability to understand the Bible by reading it in a language you aren't fluent in?

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/20/2013 4:50:24 PM

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First of all my points about the propaganda in it...

What "propaganda" would that be, specifically?

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/20/2013 4:58:22 PM

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And, all of that impacts the aesthetics of the KJV.... how? I already know the answer to that, and since I'm not exactly the "everything in the Bible is literal" camper, my choice of Bible translations based on aesthetics irritates you... why?

*face palm*
First of all my points about the propaganda in it and it not being up to modern standards of scholarship can't possibly be spun to have anything to do with aesthetics.

That's not why I mention the aesthetics. I mention the aesthetics because I like the language. I used the KJV because I liked the language.

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Furthermore seeing as it's taken you three pages to wrap your head around a simple statement I made in modern english how can you possibly think it's reasonable for you to sabotage your ability to understand the Bible by reading it in a language you aren't fluent in?

Yeah, that's exactly why I chose the KJV. No other reason.

I think you have a hard time wrapping your head around anything that doesn't align with your beliefs.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/20/2013 6:28:37 PM

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I get that you like dem purdy words, I've never contested that.

I pointed out that the KJV was the least accurate version you could possibly use. You asked for clarification as to why that was, so I've been explaining why the KJV was the least accurate version you could use.

This isn't about me having a problem with your aesthetics, I don't care about your aesthetics. We've been at this for 4 pages because you asked me to back up a claim. Asking pretty well nullifies any right to butt hurt when I succeed. The KJV is the terrible choice for people looking to comprehend the Bible and is particularly bad for those who tend to have problems with reading comprehension.

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