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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:31:58 AM   
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cannot justify using my resources to take away my liberty.
They are already, no matter if you justify it or not. In a a democracy, you do not decide alone.

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Or will you enslave them all for the common good?
Your use of the strawman fallacy is remarkable.

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The only thing I care to destroy is the civilization you describe.
I am describing the current civilization. Go on, good luck.

Ok, you are a troll, it makes no sense to discuss with you. Hidden and conversation finished.



Just proved why all democracies should be abolished, adds a pound of doublethink and then makes troll accusations!





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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:44:26 AM   
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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.



Oh how true. Once the US figured out that the government should quit 'meddling' in the financial industry, resulting in 4.5 million having their houses stolen out from under them, 8.5 million losing their jobs, and millions of retirees left destitute, ...

the financial industry has been such a boon to the country and to the rest of the world since throwing off that albatross in 1999-2000,

No?




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I think the whole thing is blown completely out of proportion.

There were books like The Poor Man's James Bond and the Anarchist Cookbook available since the 70s or 80s. With complete recipes for making all kinds of explosives and poisons.
Despite this, there isn't a bomb maker or a crazed man poisoning the water supply on every street corner.





I read most of those books too.

But the difference between then and now is that there were not such highly sophisticated and realistic violence video games then, not nearly as many drugs of unknown consequence, not then over 26% of all school kids on one of these numerous highly questionable drugs, as now, while being put through the Orwellian DARE and other 'anti-drug' propaganda programs, the blatant lies that any 12 yr. old can see through that politicos and the media and even congress can't. ...


Etc.




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:15:48 AM   
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It is your sort of participating which keeps the forums useless.


Since this is how you feel about my participation, I'll make it very easy for you by (a) not replying to the rest, (b) putting you on hide, and (c) advising you to do the same.

Consider this your §7.3.6 notice to refrain from further communication.

I wish you well,
— Aswad.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 6:37:30 AM   
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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?

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I think the whole thing is blown completely out of proportion.

There were books like The Poor Man's James Bond and the Anarchist Cookbook available since the 70s or 80s. With complete recipes for making all kinds of explosives and poisons.
Despite this, there isn't a bomb maker or a crazed man poisoning the water supply on every street corner.


Every street corner no.
But
A simple trip to google land might indicate how many incidents of domestic "terrorism" have occured over the past 50 years with the data available in those books.

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I often think the "Progressive" mindset is a projection,


Google might be able to supply you with a more accurate description of the "progressive" party .

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because most of the non-"Progressive" people I know mind their own business, remain productive in society and generally don't create much fuss.


How sweet.

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The attempt to "regulate" and "control" is a fear-based approach to civilization,


Why do people form themselves into societies and form states.

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with a vast amount of insecurity being the thrust of it. And in truth, if you're too insecure to feel you should be trusted with a gun or any other kind of weapon, you probably shouldn't be.


Limiting the reasons for someone choosing not to own a gun to being insecure or untrustworthy is most instructive.

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After having grown up in a family of hunters and sportsman, most Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers...and knowing of all the people I know not one had a "gun-accident" or a "homicidal rage",


The set of people who are hunters,sportsmen who are mostly doctors,lawyers and engineers represent perhaps at best a single digit percentage of americans. In debate class this is refered to as false equivalancy.


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I find it difficult to understand the general anxiety exhibited by those so anxious to ban guns, the manufacture of guns, or anything related to it.


A good dictionary can supply the correct meaning of the word anxiety and how to use it in a sentence.


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A gun is just a tool, whether it was made by Smith & Wesson or printed out on a 3D Printer.


No it isn't...the punkassmotherfuckers at s&w voluntarily give all of their sales data to the batf...a 3d printer does what it ownr tells it to and does not tell anyone.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 9:47:22 AM   
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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?




1) because that is how the british set up their colonies.

2) to give us a false sense of security because no one ever reads court cases.

3) the other branch of government controls, the courts.


so why do we allow our so called government to have such a grievous detrimental conflict of interest?

That is to say we have a branch of government, [aka courts] who judge, and make rulings between the inhabitants and the state that pays their salaries.

why are courts not impartial in this country?

Hows that rights protection system working for ya? About as good as the nazi reps and commie dems overlord system maybe?


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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 10:25:27 AM   
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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


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Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?


1) because that is how the british set up their colonies.



Well, it's so good to know that the French, the Russians, the Dutch, the Japanese, etc. have historically done so much better with their colonies than the British have.

Their colonies are all doing so famously well now.

How's that Vietnam thing been working out for the French and the US, lately?




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 10:28:09 AM   
Edwynn


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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


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Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?


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1) because that is how the british set up their colonies.


Well, it's so good to know that the French, the Russians, the Dutch, the Japanese, etc. have historically done so much better with their colonies than the British have.

Their colonies are all doing so famously well now.

How's that Vietnam thing been working out for the French and the US, lately?




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 10:29:00 AM   
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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?




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1) because that is how the british set up their colonies.


So there was no state before the british empire?????I do not think that is correct.


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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 11:14:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


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Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?


1) because that is how the british set up their colonies.



Well, it's so good to know that the French, the Russians, the Dutch, the Japanese, etc. have historically done so much better with their colonies than the British have.

Their colonies are all doing so famously well now.

How's that Vietnam thing been working out for the French and the US, lately?






my comment was not a comparison, but a core system criticism.

Keep in mind that all power in the world derives from some kind of monarch, with the UK and europe it is the old aristocracy. Do you think for one second they would give their power and control up over the ages? Just because of geography?

Your post imo demonstrates my point that statism does not serve the best interests of the inhabitants at large, mainly the state.



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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 11:22:26 AM   
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Trusting the State to control anything is a recipe for failure.


Why then do we form ourselves into societies called states? If the state does not control anything who does?




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1) because that is how the british set up their colonies.


So there was no state before the british empire?????I do not think that is correct.





not formally that I am aware of.

The indians would claim certain ares their hunting grounds and settlements but were somewhat nomadic, hence tribal boundaries were subject to change to unoccupied territory without statist infringement.

statism is a result of the creation of artificial entities, (corporations), by the british aristocracy, partly so the king could undermine the powers of the peoples churches, replace it with his by claiming his eminence and with it ecclesiastic jurisdiction under equity, as well as act as head of state.

Blackstone touches upon it on the 4th section I believe.


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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 11:48:55 AM   
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So there was no state before the british empire?????I do not think that is correct.






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not formally that I am aware of.


Just off the top of my head I can think of hundreds of states that existed before the first englishman learned to grunt. Persia,china,japan...the state has existed from the moment we were born. The family,the clan,the tribe,the village,the county,the state,the empire. Collective control of the individual goes back a long way.
Back to my question...why do we form ourselves into societies/states?

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 12:19:18 PM   
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my comment was not a comparison, but a core system criticism.

Keep in mind that all power in the world derives from some kind of monarch, with the UK and europe it is the old aristocracy. Do you think for one second they would give their power and control up over the ages? Just because of geography?

Your post imo demonstrates my point that statism does not serve the best interests of the inhabitants at large, mainly the state.




It still hasn't entered into your head that the corporations, not the queen, not the 'state,' run the show, here.

Look at the people involved in the wars and the deregulation which have both brought ruin upon this country.


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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:02:07 PM   
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need to understand how my statement works.

if edwynn is the king and edwynn has the authority over edwynns creation and that creation is the proxy corporation then its edwynns duty to keep them at bay.

its the same here, we are all common law based colonies.

what you are doing is what most arguments out here are doing, you are arguing about the proxies not the source, you can chop off leaves till hell freezes over and the roots live on to sprout new leaves.

Those at the top create proxies, pull strings by inuendo and euphemisms, which by default creates plausible deniability and a resulting impenetrable immunity. that is how its done in the large scale big leagues.

(as a perfect example demand the evidence and facts for those 3 buildings that magically collapsed in new york and they give you literally nothing as in they have little to no and in most cases no meritorious facts to support their claims)

I do not know of any deregulation of living individuals that contributed to the ruin of anything. that is the regulation I am talking about here, the stomping on the rights of the living "man", not his artificial construct corporations.







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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:15:31 PM   
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So there was no state before the british empire?????I do not think that is correct.






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not formally that I am aware of.


Just off the top of my head I can think of hundreds of states that existed before the first englishman learned to grunt. Persia,china,japan...the state has existed from the moment we were born. The family,the clan,the tribe,the village,the county,the state,the empire. Collective control of the individual goes back a long way.
Back to my question...why do we form ourselves into societies/states?



a collective is not necsarily a "State", though it may be a state, a "State" which is the abbreviation for an Estate in so far as bounded land is concerned is a "title" of operating privilege granted by a sovereign overlord.

yes we form both states and States.

in a nutshell there is power to inflict a collective will by the use of mobism, mafia, (democracies), etc.

Do you feel that these mobs have legitimate authority to tell you what medications you can and cant use? How long your grass must be cut?

Where does a mob (by whatever name you wish to attach to it), get their legitimate authority over the individual living wo/man not "knowingly", with full disclosure, full consent, annexed to the corporation, to declare themselves overlords and use up to and including lethal force to enforce their collective will upon them? or take away all their stuff and throw them in cages for "disobedience" to mob rules?



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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, states from estates did not get used as a word until around the 14th century.  Doesn't mean they describe something different than what was.  There is no difference between state and State, that is pure unadulterated asswipe having nothing to do with law or anything else in the world., and the bounded by crap doesnt have anyting to do with the definition of state or any other word.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:27:34 PM   
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need to understand how my statement works.

if edwynn is the king and edwynn has the authority over edwynns creation and that creation is the proxy corporation then its edwynns duty to keep them at bay.

its the same here, we are all common law based colonies.

what you are doing is what most arguments out here are doing, you are arguing about the proxies not the source, you can chop off leaves till hell freezes over and the roots live on to sprout new leaves.



My point is that any minimal understanding of history, including 'alternative history' of choice, says that you have source and proxies completely backwards.

If we go back far enough in time, we could consider the point as arguable.

But in the last 500 years, and more today than ever before, the "nobles" have the government well in hand, which is just how the von Mises crowd thinks it should be.




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:31:18 PM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		from another person ignorantly denies even though he has been shown several supreme court cases quoting the magna charta etc that the law here evolved out of and still does evolved out of both antique and present english law.

Speaking of asswipe ignorance of history, nothing more than another

PLONK

(thats the sound of your post when it hits the bottom of file 13. Like most of your other shithouse lawyerin posts)

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:32:53 PM   
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need to understand how my statement works.

if edwynn is the king and edwynn has the authority over edwynns creation and that creation is the proxy corporation then its edwynns duty to keep them at bay.

its the same here, we are all common law based colonies.

what you are doing is what most arguments out here are doing, you are arguing about the proxies not the source, you can chop off leaves till hell freezes over and the roots live on to sprout new leaves.



My point is that any minimal understanding of history, including 'alternate history' of choice, says that you have source and proxies completely backwards.




depends, are you talking about idealistic romancing or in practice?



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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		"In practice" means that Goldman Sachs CEOs ran the treasury for decades, that oil company execs were all over the EPA and Dept. of Energy , that a dentist was assigned to the FTC because he knew absolutely nothing and could therefore be counted on to take directions from industry directly, ... etc.

Do you need more coffee?


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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 1:50:27 PM   
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"In practice" means that Goldman Sachs CEOs ran the treasury for decades, that oil company execs were all over the EPA and Dept. of Energy , that a dentist was assigned to the FTC because he knew absolutely nothing and could therefore be counted on to take directions from industry directly, ... etc.

Do you need more coffee?





if you would have left goldman sach out it would have been more difficult, but yeh the rteasury and gold man and fed reserve swap employees on a regular basis. its the good ole boy club and you and I are not in it.

same thing with nutrasweet I believe it was, rummy run the company that made it, it was rejected several times by the fda rummy gets a job with the fda and presto shazamo nutra sweet is approved!




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